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Incontinence Drug - Karen & Pug Girls and Any Other?
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31 May 2010 - 5:18 pm
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OMG...laughing again....I think you actually can do something like the diamond...which may be more tasteful than the leglamp or the head on the wall (unless you have a LOT of heads on the wall...)

When I had my huband cremated two years ago, you could do something like that with the ashes...or put them into other jewelry...I hasten to add that I didn't do that, but what I did do that I now regret and need to do SOMETHING to get it back together, I had a few of the ashes put in a tiny mini urn that I put in here in the den (he was always in here, especially the last year when he was really ill) and I would talk to it.."nite Bob"  "morning Bob"  "damnit how do you unscrew this thing Bob and WHERE did you put those directions!!"

and NOW, I have this weird feeling that I should have them all reintegrated...it is just a thingee in my head nagging at me...what part of Bob is in the den and what part of Bob is in the bedroom in the BIG urn....(oh I see where all your minds are going....)

I wonder with the places you send stuff away to...but how would you know???

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Doggie Prozac. Uh, got any leftovers? We know one Wild Boy over here who could sure use some! 😉

Pawsonally we like the leg lamp idea.

3/4 carat diamond. Now THAT is funny!

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31 May 2010 - 8:47 pm
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Serious question...anyone have any of the coffee ground barf with: clavamox, proin, prednisone, baytril or cerenia?

Just took a run outside and there was some of that coffee ground black stuff that we had with the meloxicam and rimadyl...but he was sick on Sat the day I started the clavamox so he wasn't eating at all...last two days he has eaten a little more and tonight did well, almost a package of the turkey raw food medallion thingees and a whole lot of the chicken freeze dried food that I added a whole lot of extra chicken to....this is that deep down vomit apparently??  I thought I would watch for a day or so before panicking MORE and calling the vet...one small pee spot after being on the pad for a long time in the den and I think maybe it is difficult for him to get up from those beds and I told Rene I thought of just putting a sheet on the ground where it was and taking away the pad and seeing if he was better?  But I can deal with that little spot and I just can't take away the pad, I would rather do the sheet washing...He can get up when I stand there so he can brace against me...then he stands and walks on it ok, it is just difficult for him to get all the way up.  I don't think I could go to sleep in the bed if I made him lay on the carpeted floor without the pad...I am now officially nuts.  they are coming to take me away tra la.......

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31 May 2010 - 9:56 pm
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Sorry Diane, no experience with the coffee ground barf.

When you say "pad" are you talking about the pee pads for dogs?

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31 May 2010 - 10:14 pm
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krispikritter said:

Serious question…anyone have any of the coffee ground barf with: clavamox, proin, prednisone, baytril or cerenia?


 

I have not experienced the coffee ground vomit and am not familiar with any of the drugs but Prednisone.  Harley just started Prednisone on Thursday so I've been reading a lot about it, and did come upon this from the Univ of Georgia Vet School …

Prednisone usually does not cause stomach upset when given alone. If your pet is receiving another chemotherapy drug, intestinal upset is likely related to that drug. If you notice darker than normal stool, diarrhea, vomiting (especially if the vomit looks like coffee grounds), or loss of appetite, please contact your doctor for advice.

Here is the link to the full article ...

http://www.vet......NISONE.pdf

I hope Magic is feeling better!

Amputation on 11/10/09, due to Histiocytic Sarcoma in left elbow. Angel Harley earned his wings on 06/24/10.

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Thanks so much for that....we have had this weird history with the mysterious BS (black stuff) saw it last year long before cancer (now think it was related to an occasional rimadyl or occasional coated aspirin)...saw it this year, took it in, no one knew, THEN the coffee ground effect showed up and AH HA i guess that is vomit with blood from way deep past the deuodunum (oh yes i know that is not even close to spelled right i'm sure...) so we stopped all nsaids.

But when the clavamox was started (and ruthie was also very sick on that and the doc said she thought magic would be ok because he weathered the chemos really good, but we all forget he had cerenia before any of it and the one time i did NOT give cerenia before the first temador, he barfed his head off) he was eating grass, puking and not eating a thing...so it COULD be that irritation

I did give him the second pred. last night...I hear no coughing but the sheet was pretty soaked cuz I had him go outside at 1:30ish and let him drink a LOT (I have even given him drinks)...

Someone asked me about the pad I was referring to...it isn't a pee pad, it is those foam pads they sell for dog beds...I must have 20 of them at this point, zipped into a plastic cover with sheet covering that (I have zip on covers for them, but too much work when I'm pulling them off and washing them all the time)...but I still think that just may be part of the problem...it is more difficult for him to get up when he is on those...and I didn't close us in last night but but a barrier across the doorway...I would just leave him free, without that pad, if I KNEW he would go ahead outside and NOT LAY IN THE HALLWAY...I may have to try that next.  If he isn't coughing, I will back the pred to just the one a day (this seems very familiar...the doc let Bob and I...well you know what I mean...play with the dosage on Bob's pred. the last two years...that and morphine and whatever we had that would help...and we really played with the dosage...considering he did well for about 8 years with 11 percent of his lungs left...we managed it ok)....if I back off the pred and not give water when we are in the bedroom, we could be back to the drop again....what a juggling act...i would prefer he was comfy to saving a load of laundry, as long as I can keep it contained and not soaking into the rug areas.

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1 June 2010 - 10:08 am
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No coughing is good to hear.

Wow, no pee pads? That IS a lot of laundry. How thick are the foam pieces? Thick mattresses can be tricky. So he's showing a preference for the harder surfaces or hallway? I think a barrier at least at night will save your sanity, that's for sure.

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1 June 2010 - 10:22 am
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Hopalong Harley said:

 

I have not experienced the coffee ground vomit and am not familiar with any of the drugs but Prednisone.  Harley just started Prednisone on Thursday so I've been reading a lot about it, and did come upon this from the Univ of Georgia Vet School …


 

WoW! Thanks for the great link, this is so good to know.

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1 June 2010 - 10:33 am
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maybe I'm missing something here and I'm going to a pet store in about 30 mins...WHAT PEE PADs????we were joking about that grassy thing and I know they have teensy tiny pee things for housetraining....maybe you can save me some laundry (on second load of morning....)..if his coughing has slowed (which it seems to have) I won't give him a pred tonight...trying to hit that balance of the coughing and the peeing

Also hope Pam is looking at this because I wonder if the prion would be effective if I did a half in the AM and a whole at night (dosage at this time is one half to whole one three times a day...vet says it can go UP considerably but we are trying the lowest and she said go ahead and experiment)....since these can affect his appetite, if I can give him a whole one before bed will that ramp up the effect for just those hours...during day time I might be able to cut back?  Or is it really the cumulative effect

Magic and Ruthie are having a play date...very sedate play date since Ruthie is limping and Magic WAS coughing...

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1 June 2010 - 11:44 am
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krispikritter said:

...WHAT PEE PADs????

Something like these ...

 

Therapet Puppy Training Pad 100 Count Blue
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1 June 2010 - 12:32 pm
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I'll chime in from what I know about Clavamox…

Comet was on Clavamox for the neck disc infection and got very sick to her stomach.  She would just hop and throw up at the same time!  She never saw it coming and it was constant!  I got so frustrated because her reg. vet didn't think it was the Clavamox but mommies know better!

Her ortho vet did think it was too much on her stomach with Rimadyl, too.   He made me stop everything for a weekend and put her on cipro since it's easy on the stomach.  She's on it for life now and hasn't had any problems taking it twice a day with food for the past 9 months.  I've even taken  her cipros on an empty stomach when I thought I had a ear infection and it didn't bother my stomach at all.

Interestingly, my brother was on cipro every day for life, too.  He had on-going kidney infections and that is what his doctor recommended.  He was on it for years.  Since it was for urinary problems, it might be worth asking???

At this point, I know you don't care, but cipro is dirt cheap.      

 

I hope today is a better day for Magic.

 

Oh,  and I do know that you can't mix NSAIDS with pred.  It can ulcerate the stomach lining or something like that.  I also know you shouldn't stop taking it abuptly if using more than 7 days. 

 

 

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She departed us unexpectedly  January 23, 2011 at the age of 12 1/2.

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Hi Diane,

I have tried reducing Mag's proin to once in the AM and every other PM, but she had an accident the other night.  I have not tried reducing the AM dose and always doing the PM dose.  She is in a lot during the day though- and now sleeping a lot (even more than a normal pug) so  I don't want day time accidents either. 

Mag has had a tiny bit of the coffee grounds going in her occasional vomit- especially when she throws up on an empty stomach.  In addition to proin she has been on and off clavamox over the past couple of months for a recurring  bladder infection.  She has been off clavamox for about 2.5 weeks.  She threw up last night- but no coffee grounds this time- maybe it is the clavamox.   We did follow up urinalysis today so I should get a call from the the vet tomorrow.

The pee pads that  Jim posted about work, but are kind of small, especially for Magic.   I am now using pads made for humans, I get them at CVS pharmacy, they are with the adult incontinence stuff.  They are basically the same thing, but come in bigger sizes- and I have found them to be more absorbent. 

Hope the play date goes well.

 

Karen and the pug girls

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krun15 said:

The pee pads… work, but are kind of small… I am now using pads made for humans…

Great idea , thanks! Here are the largest pads we found through our affiliate ActiveForever (each pad covers 9 sq. ft.) ...

 

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I would always be concerned with GI ulceration whenever you see black stool or vomit that looks like coffee grounds.  The most likely culprit is the prednisone, especially since your dog has been sensitive to NSAIDS in the past (pred is even more likely than NSAIDS to cause an ulcer) so I would ask your vet if you can stop that ASAP.  Carafate (sucralfate) and pepcid or Prilosec can be given to help that ulcer heal.  Once the blood goes away (about 7 -10 days) then you can give a drug called misoprostal (Cytotec) to prevent further ulcerations.

It is not unusual for antibiotics to cause vomiting but it is quite rare to see bleeding from these meds.  I have never heard of Proin doing this, either.  By the way it is fine to give Proin twice daily and some dogs are maintained on once daily dosing.

I hope things can turn around soon!

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That's great to know Pam, thank you. We had no idea that Pred could be worse on the tummy than NSAIDs. We'll make a mental note of that.

Feel better soon Magic, we're rooting for you.

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