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Ronnie, 9 yr. old Grey - surgery scheduled for 4-22-10
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Hi and thank you all for your posts and great information and tips. I just dont know what I would have done if I have not read a lot of your information.

My 9 yr old Ronnie is a retired greyhound and was diagnosed with osteosarcoma (cancer sucks) 4+-2-10. She will be requiered for 5 rounds of chemo even though the vet says she has no signs of the cancer spreading. I just dont know if I should put her through that. Does anyone know how long after surgery before they begin chemo?

 Ronnie has been on the Tramadol and Rimadyl for 2 weeks now, while the vet is getting things together for her surgery. I am concerned that it is taking so long after the diagnosis, (3 weeks). Ohio State Vet clinic is donating Ronnie's chemo meds for free for her to be a test subject. what are your thoughts on this? Any information will be helpful.

This comes on the heels of us loosing our other dog Randi back in 12-8-09. she was 15 and passed of old age. Needless to say our hearts have been so very heavy.

I would like to thank you all for your suggestions and comments they have been so helpful.

Laurie

Ronnie Smith, born July 13 2000. Diagnosed with osteosarcoma 4/2010. Right front leg amputation 4/2010. Cancer returned after 4 rounds of chemo July 2010. Reunited with her amputated leg 7/21/2010. God bless my baby girl.

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18 April 2010 - 6:28 pm
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Hi Laurie,

Welcome to Tripawds.com.  A wealth of information and support on this site!  I'm sorry, of course, that you do have to come due to your pup having cancer....but that is why most of us are here... 

I have no information on chemo stuff...I opted not to do that for my dog.  I am treating her with homeopathy thru Dr. Charles Loops in NC (I am in Maine and do phone consults)...he is renowned as a cancer homeopath.

I, too, worried about the time from diagnosis to the time of surgery...holding my breath until that time....luckily all was clear for my dog by the time surgery day rolled around.

My thoughts will be with you for Ronnie and you on 4/22/10...keep us updated and stay strong for Ronnie.

Tracy, Maggie's Mom

Maggie was amputated for soft tissue sarcoma 10-20-09

Maggie lost her battle with kidney disease on 8-24-13

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18 April 2010 - 6:40 pm
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So sorry to hear about the loss of your pup, but 15 Years! Wow, you were very forunate to have enjoyed life with Randi for so long.

Thank you for joining the Tripawds community. Every dog is different, and when chemo can begin depends on tests. But studies are important, and if you can get involved to help provide results, while getting free chemo meds, we say go for it! But like we tell everyone, you don't have to keep it up if Ronnie does not tolerate the treatment well.

Be sure to search these forums for other chemo topics and don't miss Jerry's top ten cancer dog amputation questions and answers. Ronnie is beautiful, bless you for taking such good care of her and best wishes for a speedy recovery.

PS: We always like to prepare those with Greys facing amoutation with this report about post-amputation bleeding greyhounds. This is not meant to scare in anyway whatsoever, we just believe here that information is power and it is best to prepare for the worst and hope for the best!

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18 April 2010 - 7:02 pm
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Laurie, we're so sorry, we can't imagine how hard it must be to go through this so soon after Randi's passing. Our hearts go out to you.

If you're having the surgery and treatment done at OSU, I'll just tell ya that from what I know, Ronnie couldn't be in better hands, they are THE experts on Greyhounds and cancer treatments. I would feel very good about having them on your team.

As for being in a clinical trial. I can say that from what I know there are pros and cons. The pros are that Ronnie will get the newest and most promising treatment; you get to help science, and lastly, you get some financial relief too.  The cons are that you will have to strictly adhere to their therapies and get permission to try anything else that you're interested in. We did a couple of posts about clinical trials that may help:

Dog Cancer Clinical Trials: What You Need to Know

Thee Legged Dane Dog Gets the Royal Reiki Treatment (Athena was in a clinical trial and her Mom talks about it a bit in this video).

Meanwhile, like Admin said, take it one step at a time. You can try chemo and if you're not comfortable with it or you don't think it's in Ronnie's best interest (remember, you know him better than anyone else), then you can always stop.

We send our healing thoughts your way. Please keep us posted OK? Thanks for joining us.

 

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18 April 2010 - 8:23 pm
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Yoda had chemo (carboplatin).  Generally, the chemo given is a lot easier on the dogs than the chemo people get.  Some even make it through with no notable side effects.  If I recall correctly, Yoda's first chemo was completely uneventful.  After the second he had a allergic reaction that caused his eyes to ooze yellow/green discharge, which is something that his oncologist had never heard of with chemo, but it did go away without returning until he was done.  An eye oinment though cleared it up no problem.  And then I don't think it was until Yoda's 3rd chemo (though it may have been after his 2nd) that he had nausea/vomiting.  However, a med called Cerenia cleared that up for Yoda too.  He had a very good quality of life even while on chemo.  He went to the park, played ball, all his normal stuff.  Some vets will give a dog Cerenia right after every chemo treatment as a preventative, but Yoda's oncologist advised to have me have some on hand instead, since some dogs can make it through all their treatments without side effects. 

Yoda got his first treatment, I think, right around the 2-week mark after his amputation (which is generally when the incision finishes healing by and stiches/staples can come out).  That's pretty typical from what I've read.  Though starting before then has been done too (with Cherry, I believe, if you want to search for her story).

Yeah, that's got to be frustrating to have to wait that long from the diagnosis until the surgery.  Lots of our pups go so long simply because of not getting correct diagnoses, as did Yoda.  I was lucky enough to be able to get him in for surgery within a week to a week in a half, once we got the diagnosis.

Yay for free chemo drugs though! (If you choose that route).  Do you know what they're called?

Keep asking questions, or just sharing your frustrations!  We're happy to help and give moral support.  We've all needed it.

Yoda&Mom united: 9/5/06 …….… Yoda&Leg separated: 6/5/09……… Yoda&Leg reunited: 10/14/09 ……… ……………….………….………….……. Yoda&Mom NEVER separated! …………………….….……....….…… Though Spirit Yoda currently free-lances as a rabbit hunting instructor for tripawds nationwide

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18 April 2010 - 8:46 pm
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YodasMom said:

Generally, the chemo given is a lot easier on the dogs ...


 

Way. Check out part one of our three-part video interview with VCG's Dr. Rosenberg to see what you can expect from a chemo treatment for dogs.

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18 April 2010 - 10:45 pm
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sadSorry to hear of Ronnie's diagnosis. It's why most of us are here on this great site but it sucks regardless.evil 

We opted to do chemo with Tai (Adriamycin). It was 5 rounds and she tolerated it reasonably well although I did think that doses 3 and 4 were the hardest on her. I was considering not doing number 5 but decided to go ahead and stick with the protocol. She didn't get nauseous just REALLY REALLY tired for two or three days. We started the chemo two weeks after her surgery. Now that the IV chemo is over we are starting on metronomic therapy which is a constant low dose chemo to help keep the nasty mets at bay for as long as possible.

I'm glad that you have an appointment for the amputation, it will be such a relief for Ronnie to get rid of the pain. I was fortunate to get Tai's amp done two days after the diagnosis and I worried like crazy for those two days, I can't imagine how hard the three weeks must've been on you both. Only a few days to go now.

As you know from reading all of the other posts the first couple of weeks are going to be a bad roller coaster ride. Check back here often when you need a shoulder to cry on or to get the strength to keep pressing on. It's a tough fight but after the surgery recovery things generally improve dramatically.

We'll be thinking of you and keeping our paws crossed for a speedy uneventful recovery for Ronnie.

Tai Dog and Laura

PS Sorry also to hear about your other dog's passing. Although 15 is AMAZING it never seems quite long enough does it.

Tai – 9 yr old lab. Diagnosed Osteosarcoma Dec 18/09. Front right leg amputated Dec 21/09. Started chemo Jan 7/10. Lung mets discovered Sept 16/10. Valiant to the end on Oct 26/10 when cancer reappeared in a leg and we made the decision to set her free. Forever in my heart where not even cancer can take her from me.

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Hi Laurie,

I'm so sorry to hear about Ronnie's cancer diagnosis... and so soon after loosing Randi. crying It's never easy loosing our babies, no matter how long they live...

I'll be sending good thoughts for Ronnie's surgery on the 22nd. If everything goes well and there are no complications, Ronnie should do fine. As for the chemo, I'm not sure about that. I didn't treat my Jake with chemo, mostly because I couldn't afford it. My baby only made it about 8 weeks after his surgery, when his cancer metastasized to his spine. But that is definitely not the norm... and many other dogs here make it many more months, some even a year or two! Every dog is different... I hope and pray that your Ronnie is one of the lucky ones!! Be prepared for the first 2 weeks recovery post-op... as they are usually the most difficult.

Post some pictures of your sweetie when you get a chance! Sending you and Ronnie a big fat hug!!

Angel Jake's Mom

Jake, 10yr old golden retriever (fractured his front right leg on 9/1, bone biopsy revealed osteosarcoma on 9/10, amputation on 9/17) and his family Marguerite, Jacques and Wolfie, 5yr old german shepherd and the newest addition to the family, Nala, a 7mth old Bengal mix kittie. Jake lost his battle on 11/9/2009, almost 8 weeks after his surgery. We will never forget our sweet golden angel… http://jakesjou.....ipawds.com ….. CANCER SUCKS!

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I just cant thank you all enough. I am amazed at the caring and thoughtfulness from folks I dont even know. this is a wonderful site and I would be lost without some of the knowledge.

Three weeks has been a nightmare of emotions for me and poor Ronnie, she is the one actually suffering. I went through a few vets telling me nothing was  wrong other than a "torn muscle or something" allowing her to suffer since mid Feb. Even after x-rays they tell me nothing is wrong. I finally found a vet who took the proper x-rays and found the tumor.

I am thankful for OSU sending the chemo meds to my vet for Ronnie. I will allow this for as long as I think Ronnie can take it. She is very spoiled, very prissy and I hope to get that personality back soon. I just can not imagine the pain these poor dogs go through. My heart goes out to each and every animal out there that has to endure this nasty cancer.

I did find out that this cancer can not thrive in a high protien environment and thank goodness for BLUE dog food. It is high in protien and low carbs. Also, we give Ronnie spring water. It has been noted that the flouride in drinking water can contribute to cancer in dogs and men. I also give Ronnie 4 oz of chicken over her food and fish oil for the omega 3s. Also if anyone is religious my priest said to pray to St Francis for Ronnie so I bought a statue and put him in my garden and pray to him when Ronnie goes out. I just have to do EVERYTHING in my power to help my dog.

God bless  you all (and your pups!)  I will check back Thursday evening to update you on Ronnie's surgery. I am sure my girl will do fine.

Thank you all again for the wonderful information here.

Laurie

Ronnie Smith, born July 13 2000. Diagnosed with osteosarcoma 4/2010. Right front leg amputation 4/2010. Cancer returned after 4 rounds of chemo July 2010. Reunited with her amputated leg 7/21/2010. God bless my baby girl.

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19 April 2010 - 9:20 am
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lauriesmith said:

I did find out that this cancer can not thrive in a high protien environment and thank goodness for BLUE dog food.

[Image Can Not Be Found]Do you mean Blue Buffalo Dog Food? What flavor does Ronnie prefer? It sounds like you have developed a healthy diet for Ronnie. Please consider submitting her nutrition plan for us to share with everyone in the Tripawds Nutrition blog.

jerry at sante fe st. francis cathedral

Regarding St. Francis, it sounds like you might also enjoy this post about how Jerry chose his time to go.

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Ronnie could not be in better hands.  Emily had her amputation and chemo at OSU and she received such wonderful care.  Emily was also in a drug study.  It was a combined carboplatin and gemcetine (or something like that).

I have mixed feelings on the drug study.  It was good for her to try it because pediatric oncologist are watching this study so the outcome is important.  On the other hand, we were not able to add any supplements that may have been helpful to her.  Unfortunately. the outcome was not what we hoped for but we did enjoy 5 1/2 months with Emily before the cancer went to her spine.

Good luck with everything.  Everyone  at OSU will take good care of your boy.

Debra & Angel Emily

Debra & Emily, a five year old doberman mix, who was diagnosed with an osteosaecoma. She had a right rear leg amputation on May 19, 2009. On November 10, 2009 she earned her wings and regained her fourth leg.

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Welcome Laurie and Ronnie…and condolences on the loss of Randi…as someone else said, 15 years is a long time, but nowhere near long enough…Good for the free chemo drugs!!!! that will be very helpful

If I might offer a suggestion, there is a product called a ruffwear harness that is here on this site and for us it was an absolute lifesaver….It helps pawrents assist the furkid when needed.  Every vet is different, but ours let us put it on Magic right away…some vets prefer to wait til the staples are out…check with them.  But the harness is an EXCELLENT tool for helping.

And be sure to get non skid throw rugs for anyplace that might be slippery … I also got ramps for anyplace with steps, only to find out Magic preferred the steps to using any ramps…He would deliberately pick a different route to avoid the ones I had put up to make his path easier to the yard to potty!!  It will amaze you how well Ronnie will do…just amaze you.

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Thank you krispikritter.

I did see the harness and plan to purchase one. I am not sure how to measure Ronnie. So I measure her across the chest from left to right or in a circular area or neck to chest? I did see the diagram and it appears to ask for a circular measurement. They do look very useful. We will be taking Ronnie on vacation with us to Canada 6-19-10 and this will be a big  help for in and out of the car.

As for Ronnie's diet she gets 1.5 cups of the chicken flavor Blue Buffalo dog food. I cooked up 2 bags of chicken breast and shredded it and put into small snack bags, added about 1 TBS of ollive oil to each bag and place them all in a large freezer bag and freeze. I pull out two at a time and keep refrgerated. She gets half a bag each meal over the dry dog food along with a half can of the Blue Buffalo canned chicken flavor food. I take a fish oil suppliment, puncture it and pour it on her food. I know this is a bit of a process, but I feel it is best for her right now. No carbs for this girl. There is a slamon flavor but she didnt like it much. the food is a bit pricy but for Ronnie, it is worth it.

Emilysmom, thank you for your information on OSU. They are sending the chemo meds to my vet who is in Fairmont WV about an hour from me, and I am greatful.

We did have a wondreful 14.5 years with our Randi too. Her ashes are always close to us. We miss her terribly as she was the alpha female. God bless her.

thank you all so much for the great information. I am sure I will be back after Ronnie's surgery. I know she will do fine, she is very atheletci. I just do not want her in any pain.

Talk to everyone real soon........God bless you all too!!

Ronnie Smith, born July 13 2000. Diagnosed with osteosarcoma 4/2010. Right front leg amputation 4/2010. Cancer returned after 4 rounds of chemo July 2010. Reunited with her amputated leg 7/21/2010. God bless my baby girl.


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Hi Laurie and Ronnie

 

I just wanted to say good luck for the surgery!

 

My baby - Sam - is a lurcher, and he has been without his leg for over a year now. He gets around almost as well as any 4-legger. I say this because he is the same greyhound build as Ronnie, and at first I worried that with him being tall, he would struggle. However, he is amazing! He does all the stairs in the house, he runs around up and down hills in the woods, he is still still WAY faster than non-sighthound dogs.

 

It will take a little while to adapt but once she has you wont believe how well she copes.

 

Good luck!

Kiss from me Ronnie, and a sloppy lick off Sam  (nice)!

 

Kel

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lauriesmith said:

Thank you krispikritter.

I did see the harness and plan to purchase one. I am not sure how to measure Ronnie. So I measure her across the chest from left to right or in a circular area or neck to chest?


 

Laurie, thanks so much! As for measuring him for a Ruff Wear Webmaster, you would measure in a circular area. Place a tape measure at the top of Ronnie's spine and loop it underneath his chest just behind his front legs then bring it back up to his spine. That's your circumfrence / girth measurement! Hope this helps.

And Ronnie's diet sound really yummy. What a lucky dawg!

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