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Virginia







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11 October 2023 - 7:15 pm
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Under such trying cir, you are doing a very good job of assessing  everything  and evalua his behavior.  Although I did chuckle that he popped and got "sassy" with the repairman.  I think he is probably  uncomfortable enough that he wanted to say "hello" for a seond....and then don't  mess with me because I don't  feel good!

I know it was hard for your husband to have Honor growl at him.  As you said, he's just not able to be himself....not able to be Honor.  He's letting you know in no uncertain terms, he's just not able to be who he wants to be.

I know it did you and Honor both some good that he ate some hamburgers and also went pottying.

The heavy breathing  could be pain or possibly the mets.  Does he still have plenty  of pain meds??   Just let him rest as best he can tonight.  Don't  hesitate to give him pain meds as needed.  

You are so tuned into Honor and you are. "listening" and he is "talking".  One of the greatest gifts you can give Honor now  is to be able to avoid a crisis .  We don't always have that option.   I think you still do.  Your appointment tomorrow  can help sort out where things are.

Sending you our love and infusing you with courage and strength to do what's  best for Honor.....whatever that might be.  

Sally and Alumni Happy Hannah and Merry Myrtle and Frankie too!

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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12 October 2023 - 11:36 am
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Sally is right, Honor is speaking through your heart and your intuition. Follow that voice and you can't go wrong at this sad time.

If you truly feel he is ready to transition, the saying "better a day too soon than a day too late" is one that can guide you. It helps spare a pet parent a lot of excess grief afterward. In our time managing this community the biggest theme we see at this time of the journey is when pet parents feel they waited too long, their grief is exponentially worse. 

I'm glad you have Hospice set up so they can help you wherever he is at right now, they are angels on earth.

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14 October 2023 - 8:21 am
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Thanks Jerry and Sally.

Swelling in paw looks better…not perfect but better. Yet, he still is only moving once or twice a day and that’s to go to the bathroom. 

I kept thinking maybe the lung mets hadn’t gotten too much worse because I wasn’t hearing a lot of coughing but read something about how cerenia can act as a cough suppressant and I have been giving him that daily for weeks…ever since he started antibiotics to combat nausea from those.  He does pant a lot during the night and last night he was keeping his head raised most of the night and panting which made me worry he was having trouble breathing laying with his head flat but he is now on his side.  I cut his dose of gabapentin down to make sure that wasn’t causing the panting but it seems unrelated.  

Lap of Love hospice care thought it was ok to continue with hospice for longer and thought little risk of a crisis as we would see lung/breathing issues progressing with time to set appt but, of course, what happened with Ellie comes to mind along with some other stories I have read.  And, given the added confusion of having had the cementoplasty procedure done and the complications he had, it is very difficult to determine if his reluctance to move and general discomfort is leg related, lung related or if there is something going on elsewhere in his body/spread that we don’t know about. The only way to determine that would be extensive testing requiring sedation which, even if he was mobile enough to get somewhere, would only potentially give me an answer but no solution.

All I know is it’s a beautiful, cooler morning for the first day in several days…the kind of day where even at the beginning of last week Honor would at least make his way to his bed on the patio and be outside for hours.  I mean he wasn’t super alert and interested in everything he normally would be, but he at least made it out there.  Not today. 

I had hoped Lap of Love hospice might prescribe some things to keep him more comfortable.  I asked about prednisone but she said too many side effects and better off just continuing carprofen as it works just as well for inflammation.  Should I push back stronger for trying prednisone?  I asked about hydrocodone and she didn’t think he needed it yet and to reserve for later.  I don’t know how much “later” we have.  The only thing additional she suggested I add is tramadol which, of course, recent research shows does absolutely nothing for dogs!

Meanwhile, I have a tentative appt to say goodbye set up for Thurs.  I can keep pushing it off, but I am trying to figure out if I would be pushing it off more for me or for him.  At the moment, I worry it may be the former because I know saying goodbye to him is going to completely break me.  I mean he is still eating things I hand feed him, drinking, occasionally interested in watching birds on the TV, and liking being pet and my talking to him.   Do I wait for those things to be gone too?  For worse symptoms to make an appearance?  For myself to have absolute certainty that I have no other option?  For some divine inspiration to tell me it is time? The problem is I really can’t even answer these questions. 

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14 October 2023 - 11:05 am
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Thank you for checking in.  Needless to say, we were all waiting to get an update, whatever that may be.

You and your family are the only ones who can make the decision  to release Honor from an earth life when you decide  his "quality" is non existent,   Those of us "on the outside" can only offer suggestions based on what we have "observed" through your posts.  Quite frankly, and I don't  mean to be harsh,I fully expected the Hospice to tell you it was time to release Honor.  Additionally,  if they feel you are t ready, they would never push for euthanasia,  even of they thought not would be best for Honor.

I kept thinking maybe the lung mets hadn’t gotten too much worse because I wasn’t hearing a lot of coughing

FWIW My Happy Hannah never coughed.  Some dogs do, some don't.

  He does pant a lot during the night and last night he was keeping his head raised most of the night and panting

Can only share my Happy Hannah's experience.   The same happened with her....panting...different  breathing patterns off and on....rais9ng her head or sitting up to try and breathe better.  I remember  thinking how horrible it mist be to feel like you can't  get your breathe.  This was a HUGE sign ti me.  And like everyone, we want to do everything  to avoid a painful, panicky  crises.

  he is still eating things I hand feed him, drinking, occasionally interested in watching birds on the TV, and liking being pet and my talking to him.   Do I wait for those things to be gone too 

    Do I wait for those things to be gone too?  

 

You know, how much  we all want to aupport you and Honoror, or you should know,.   We are all being very careful with our words and making sure we don't  cross the line of voicing our own personal opinions,  refraining from anything that would ever sound like judgement,etc.  FWIW  most of us draw a line in the sand and say "that's it".  See if you and uoir family can agree on that li e Is it.  

You have only a few thi gs left on which to decide.   Is it when he stops watching the birds on tv.  Is it when he doesn't  want to be hand feed anymore.  He's already shown you he no longer wants to get up to get his own food or his own water.

Regarding pain meds and, again, FWIW, please get him back on Gaba or whatever has helped him in the past.    

As far as continuing  to wait to see if the experiemtal cement procedure  put in his leg works, what did the "medical" people tell you as far as the leg healing to where it would ise it normally?  

    asked about hydrocodone and she didn’t think he needed it yet and to reserve for later.  I don’t know how much “later” we have.

Yeah, that made no sense to me either.    At the very least, Honor needs good pain management   right jnows there is not enough time to play around with waiting til it gets worse.  Are you kidding me???  Anyway, I would go back to the dose of Gabapentin  that was working before.  

    

   I can keep pushing it off, but I am trying to figure out if I would be pushing it off more for me or for him......for fear it will break me.....

Of course we all want to keep our dogs with us every second we can extend  their life.  Yes, it's for us and, up to a point, for them.   It's  called love.  And Honor is so dearly loved and he knows it..  During thos difficult time, YOUR LOVE FOR HINOR IS STRONG ENOUGH  TO PUT HIS NEEDS FIRST in the most selfless way possible. To be able  to release him knowing  how  how seemingly  unbearably hard and gutted it will be for you IS putting his needs first.  And you have always done that and you always will. 

For myself to have absolute certainty that I have no other option?

 

Listen to Honor ....he is your divine inspiration  speaking  to you.

For some divine inspiration to tell me it is time?  

I actually think that's one of the greatest life lessons Honor is teaching you.  You have researched, investigated,  researched some more.  Yoi'be charted uour course in this journe always searching for some other option and that's certainly  understandable.   One of life's hardest lessons is "we aren't  in charge".  Pir perceived  ability to "control" events in life is the Universe 'a biggest joke. on us.  We do what we can but mist know when to let go.  If you believe  every circumstancethat faces us is for Soul's growth and life lessons, then we focus on what we are being taught.what are the lessons Ho ot's journey has taught you?. 

 

Yes, it will seemingly break you, but Honor shall pass his strength  and courage on to you.  You will be Honor strong. You will never be the same, you will be better.  You will be  more enlightened  because of the lessons Honor  came here to teach you.You will celebrate  the most special dog a person could have by continuing  to let your heart beat for his.  With every heartbeat Honor lives through you💖

As always and no matter what, we are here for you and we will continue  to be by your side.  We care.

Surrounding  you with love and peace and clarity.

Sally and Alumni Happy Hannah and Merry Myrtle and Frankie too!

 

    

    

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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14 October 2023 - 6:36 pm
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He does sound like he is as comfortable as can be right now. There's a fine line between undermedicating and overmedicating. I think the Lap of Love vets advice was reasonable. Remember that Tramadol doesn't do anything for severe acute pain, but this isn't what is going on with him.

Spend these days being present with him, realize that no two days are ever alike with or without cancer. Preparing to say goodbye is so hard but waiting until things are in crisis is even worse for you and him. You have done everything to help you get ready for Thursday, now just spend these next days together without the stress of wondering or being painful. We are here as your sounding board so please know you are not alone.

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I am so sorry Eustacia. I agree with everything else that has been said.  The one thing that Jerry said that stands out for me is something that I’ve thought about for a long time, even before the cancer diagnosis, better one day too soon than one day too late. You asked if you should wait until every sign of Honor is gone, ie, being fed by hand, being petted, occasionally watching birds on televisions ~ for me the answer would be ‘no’. I know that you’re holding out hope that he will get better and be himself, even if just for a short time.  I would too.  I would be longing for that.  Just to see it one more time.  And if that is still possible, you should.  100%.  Only you know.  But if it isn’t, i would want Ophelia to go out with whatever was left of her personality.  

again… only you know. You will choose what is right.  And I’m just so sorry.  

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15 October 2023 - 11:45 am
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I'm so sorry that life is difficult for Honor right now. He's such a fine dog, and so loyal to his human. Whatever decision you make, whenever you make it, will be the right one for Honor, and he will hear you, even if he appears unresponsive. He needs to know that his love with stay with you and keep you strong, that he has done a good job.  

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16 October 2023 - 10:44 am
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Eustacia, @benny55 Sally's tablet is out again and she called me specifically to tell you that she is thinking of you and Honor, and hoping that you both are holding steady. She is sending tons of love. If you want to talk she is on the Tripawds Helpline tomorrow (Tuesday).

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Jerry,

Thanks so much for letting me know that.  I do think I could really benefit from talking with her tomorrow.

So, things are still not good.  Honor hasn’t been able to move from his spot in the bedroom since 7 PM last night.  I’ve opened the patio door and he wants to go outside and it looks like he has tried several times but just can’t.   I am starting to worry we are headed towards complete rear leg paralysis or something.  I can’t remember if Whitney’s Ellie had weakness in her hind legs or difficulty getting up or anything that presented in advance of her completely losing use of her hind legs or if it was more sudden.

All I know is everytime it gets to be around this time of day, he eventually manages to somehow get up because he really needs to go to the bathroom but I’m sitting here on edge because I just have a feeling that one day he may not be able to even make that one trip outside and it would kill him to make a mess indoors as he never has.

I don’t think the issue is the leg he had the procedure on.  This is beyond that.  If the issue was only that leg, he has 3 other legs and I’ve seen him at least putting weight on the leg that had the procedure so that’s just not it.  He doesn’t have much coughing.  I don’t think I heard him cough one yesterday.  He does have noisy breathing at time and rapid breathing/panting but it’s hard to tell if the latter is due to his lungs or the discomfort/pain from whatever it is that is making it difficult for him to move.  He has also been groaning some when shifting positions.  Needless to say, all of this is breaking my heart and I am down to having no good options.  The only medication Lap of Love could think to add is Tylenol with codeine so I’ll be picking that up.  He keeps looking at me for help and I hate that the only thing I can offer at this point is death.  

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16 October 2023 - 1:29 pm
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Oh, and I have tried putting a grocery bad under him and helping assist him up but he doesn’t try to get up at the same time and it seems like the pulling up is hurting him or making him uncomfortable.  

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16 October 2023 - 4:58 pm
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Can you use a towel under his belly to help him up?  Like a sling?  

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16 October 2023 - 5:02 pm
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Never mind. It sounds like you tried something similar.  Didn’t see that before posting the towel idea.  

i dread that helpless feeling that i know that you have right now. I had it with Ophelia’s sister at the end.  It’s awful. You are doing all that you can. Just keep loving him and making sure that he knows that, and that he’s not alone.  That’s all that you can do. 

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17 October 2023 - 12:48 am
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I agree you are doing what you can in a very tough situation. If you are feeling like his decline is happening faster thank you thought since last week, and his quality of life is gone, then it may be time to move his appointment up. You know him best so only you can make that call. 

Allowing our loved ones to pass peacefully is hard on us but to them it is a gift to leave their "earth clothes" as Sally likes to say, when those clothes no longer serve them. We typically don't have this option for the humans that we love, and they suffer longer than necessary. Giving the go ahead to let our pet's transition in peace and be without pain is a blessing in so many ways. I'm so sorry you are faced with this. As pet parents we all are at some point, it's the deal we make when we bring them into our homes and commit to living them for a lifetime. Right now just be present with Honor, and listen to your heart. He is speaking through it, in a way that only you can understand.

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We are all holding you in our thought.rnHonor knows you love him enough to release him.  No matter how hard it is, he knows he can count on you for this gift to let hisSoul shed those useless earth clothes that are holding him back in distress.  Honor knows you are hearing him as he tells you he is ready to fun free.rnHe needs to k ow you understand and you will be alright.  He needs to know that.  Weareall here for you to help you, okay,okayr

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Sally and alumnus Happy Hannah, Merry Myrtleand Frankie too.  

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Eustacia just let me know Honor transitioned peacefully at home, eating peanut butter and cheese. Honor was with his beloved Eustacia and family on the patio deck he so enjoyed.  Lap of Love also confirmed  for her he was ready.  Honor also let everyone know he was  ready to be released.and run free

Needless to say Eustacia is gutted and heartbroken. She does know that a crisis was avoided and that will eventually  bring  her some comfort.

There is so much to  celebrate about thx courageous Soul who absolutely adored his family.  Honor felt their love and devotion every single day as they did his.

One “visual” that will always make me smile is how took off on all four after a bear” (I think it was a bear) just days after his stereotactic radiation treatment.  All his hoomans were being so careful to make him take it easy.  Honor was t going to have any of that…….the bear needed to k Owen was not welcome on Honor’s turf.

Run free and fast Honor.  You will always have a place in our hearts and forever grateful for being able to travel this journey with you and your beloved’ Eustacia .

A light that shines as brightly as Honor’s can never  be dimmed     

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She appreciates each of you and wil come back when she can

With love

Sally and Alumni Happy Hannah and Merry Myrtle and Frankie too!

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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