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8.5 yr old Rottweiler - how old is too old? Many other questions!
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Hello all! SO GRATEFUL to have found this community! I feel I have SO MANY questions that my poor vet can’t keep up with! Haha.

BUNDY is a 8.5 year old Rottweiler who had been acting funny about putting weight on his rear right leg, but otherwise totally normal. 8.5 is getting ‘old’ for a rottie so we thought he was getting some hip dysplasia and had scheduled doggie physical therapy and acupuncture. Total SHOCK to us to learn he had severe osteosarcoma. 

The vet said he’s not a good candidate for chemo (he is too anxious and would need to be sedated for every chemo treatment - ultimately being far too taxing on his liver) so they gave him 3-6 months post surgery if we opt to do amputation.

If we don’t..well...the cancer has almost eaten all the way through his femur bone so one wrong slip or fall and it would break completely - resulting in IMMEDIATE euthanasia. So every day until surgery we are in fear that he will slip and fall while we’re at work and that will be the end of it. 

Here are my major questions right now:

IS 8.5 YRS OLD FOR A ROTTIE CONSIDERED 'TOO OLD'? All breeds are different and for a rottie we knew he was getting a bit geriatric to begin with. Is there any research or resources on breed-specific outcomes?? 

HEALTH OF OTHER LIMBS: How many of you had full imaging done on the remaining 3 limbs before surgery? The surgeon made a vague comment about the ‘health of his other knee’ and I’m left thinking UMMM CAN YOU CLARIFY PLEASE?! If he only has 3-6 months left does that really matter? 

PHANTOM LIMB PAIN: how many of your dogs have had this? How long does it last? I would just HATE to trade one pain for another in his limited months left. 

HOW LONG UNTIL YOU WERE ABLE TO LEAVE THEM HOME ALONE? My husband has taken a week off of work for the scheduled surgery next week, but after reading the forums it is sounding like 2 weeks is necessary?

I think that’s the bulk of my largest questions  - but I may have more. Any insight from other Rottie owners would be so so helpful! 

I’m nervous this surgery will be too much for his old body - but then feel hopeful after reading about much older dogs doing just fine. Thanks for reading!!

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2 August 2019 - 3:34 pm
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Howdy Bundy and family! I'm in the Tripawds Chat right now if you want to talk. Back here in a sec with some feedback.

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My over 12 year old GSD/Malamute male lost his leg to osteosarcoma two months ago. We started leaving him home over 6 hours after a week. No real choice. He had 24 watching before then. Some dogs live longer than that without chemo. I would get the other knee xrays, just to be sure.

My other dog is half Rottie half GSD. Keeping a Rottie lean can take a bit of extra work. If your baby still has decent energy and is otherwise healthy, there's a lot of hope. It never hurts to get a second medical opinion. Fractures do happen. It's how my boy got diagnosed. 

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IS 8.5 YRS OLD FOR A ROTTIE CONSIDERED ‘TOO OLD’? All breeds are different and for a rottie we knew he was getting a bit geriatric to begin with. Is there any research or resources on breed-specific outcomes?? 

For most dogs, age really is just a number. Their existing state of health, weight, fitness level and personality all play a bigger role in how well they do on three legs. Aside from that, the pet parent's attitude also plays a big role. This is all anecdotal, but it's what we've witnessed by watching the progress of the thousands of members who have joined us. No, there are no specific studies on this aspect of the Tripawd Life but if anyone out there wants to sponsor one we know veterinary researchers who would love to conduct one!

HEALTH OF OTHER LIMBS: How many of you had full imaging done on the remaining 3 limbs before surgery? The surgeon made a vague comment about the ‘health of his other knee’ and I’m left thinking UMMM CAN YOU CLARIFY PLEASE?! If he only has 3-6 months left does that really matter? 

Whenever you have questions that aren't getting answered, be bold and let your vet know you don't understand. This is super important, especially now that you're dealing with cancer. You can get a second opinion from an orthopedic specialist, who may or may not order other diagnostics, but will be able to give you a good idea on how well he will do.

Also keep in mind, that everyone gets that three to six month prognosis if you don't do chemotherapy. We opted out and our Jerry lived two great years with osteosarcoma! And many others have gone even longer. So remember, a prognosis is just a guess based on studies that didn't involve your dog. Some dogs will follow those outcomes, some won't. Try not to focus on it, because Bundy is his own dog.

PHANTOM LIMB PAIN: how many of your dogs have had this? How long does it last? I would just HATE to trade one pain for another in his limited months left. 

Here is an actual phantom leg pain study that was conducted by a scientist who worked with us. Some dogs will get it, some won't. Typically if the pre and post-operative pain management is top-notch, a dog will not have phantom pain . There's always a chance, but usually we see it happen when the vet was not up on the latest pain management protocols. So be sure to find out how Bundy's will be handled, it truly does make all the difference in recovery.

HOW LONG UNTIL YOU WERE ABLE TO LEAVE THEM HOME ALONE? My husband has taken a week off of work for the scheduled surgery next week, but after reading the forums it is sounding like 2 weeks is necessary?

Again, it depends on the dog, and how well pain management was handled by Bundy's team. Most dogs are good to be left alone after 10 days to just a few, ideally with someone coming in to check on them. Keeping your pup confined to a small area is key. You don't have to crate him if he's not used to it, but you do want to minimize his activity before the stitches come out. 

I hope this helps. Ask as many questions as you'd like, that's why we are here!

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I’m sorry that Bundy was diagnosed with an osteosarcoma. 

As as others have said age is just a number, but there are some things that may be worth investigating w age. 

I just had my 10.5 year old Great Danes’ front leg amputated 18 days ago. He has recovered pretty well, but perhaps slower than some and we have definitely had age related bumps in the road. 

You should schedule a time w your veterinarian or find a veterinarian who is willing to answer your questions. You need to be fully informed so that you are at peace w whatever decision you make. The comment regarding the other knee may be in reference to cruciate disease. You should investigate this with your vet so that you can decide if you want radiographs to decide if it’s a problem. The question I asked myself was that “if the other leg fails after surgery will I regret trying or wish I had looked”. 

Thinking of you and your pup 

Jamie 





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Hi and welcome to the club no one wants to join.   Sassy was 6 when she was diagnosed.  She was a 138 pounds when she had her amputation.   I say I am lucky in the aspect that her Hip displaysa was in her leg that was amputated.  My vet said she was a good candidate but the only concern was if she would be able to support her weight.  She did.  She got up from recovery and hopped out to go potty and wanted to keep going.

A lot of your questions concerning age really depends on the dog.  Yes, 8.5 is considered "geriatric" for a rottie but I just had a rottie that lived to be almost 13.  He had some health issues when he developed his cancer on his hock and wasn't able to be amputated because of arthritis in his back and front feet.  We chose to keep him comfortable until we couldn't anymore.  He would still be here if it wasn't for that damn cancer.   Are there any other conditions that your vet is concerned about.  If you do not decide to amputate and decide for palliative care then you need to make sure you have a plan in order in case of a fracture. 

You have been given a lot of good advice.  Please do not hesitate to get a 2nd opinion.  I did and found the best vets I could have ever found and they are taking care of my dogs to this day.  You have to be and advocate for your baby.  If your questions are not getting answered you can't make an informed decision.  

Please don't hesitate to ask as many questions as you need too.

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Michelle you are the best, thanks for chiming in! I always think of Sassy when a new Rottie joins us. She was such a rock star on 3!

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Thank you all SO MUCH for all the info and support!! It is REALLY lifting our spirits and helping us feel far more optimistic and informed!!!! 

Jerry- Thanks especially for that link about the phantom limb research! It definitely calmed my fears about it. 

We are scheduled for amputation on Friday, and until then have him on potent CBD oil, a ketogenic diet, and medicinal mushrooms. We took him to the lake for his last 'adventure day' as a quadruped yesterday, and he was full of energy and curiosity - playing in the water, running around - I'm absolutely AMAZED at how strong he is despite how much pain he must be in. 

I will keep everyone updated after Friday!

Thanks again and send us your good luck vibes! 

-M&K & Bundy

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Add me to the BUNDY FAN CLUB!!  This guy sounds like a RockStar who is ready to get rid of that bum leg and start  thriving on three PAIN FREE!!!

We all know how scary it is getting to this point.  We also know that, after recovery,  you will be amazed at how well Bundy adapts.  Recovery is no,picnic for about two weeks, maybe a little less, maybe a little more.  Every dog is different.  Every recovery  is different!

I'm glad Michelle  shared Sasy's story.  She really was quite the RockStar when it came to recovery!  And, as uou xan swe, Rottie Bosch showed everyone "average life span does mean squat! And, btw, mor fo statistics.  Dogs just do listen to "statistics"!

Do check with your Vet about adding Gabapentin,  or maybe Tramadol (or maybe both).  If Bundy is limping, he hurts.  Bone pain is a monster hurt.

Feel free to ask any questions  and definately  stay connected!!   We have tons of tips to help you navigate through recovery and beyond. Things like, placing  nonslip scatter rugs for traction if you have  hardwoods,,or vinyls.

Guessing Bundy is spending at least one night at a 24/7 staffed clinic? He'll have good pain meds while jn the hospital.   Most likely  they will send Bundy home with Gabapentin,  Tramadol, Rimadyl,  an antibiotic.  Sometimes  they send them home with a Fentynal  patch.  Tweak the doses and frequency  can take a bit of time to get the right balance, but your Vet can help you with that.

YAAAAY TEAM BUNDY!!  

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Sally and Alumni Happy Hannah and Merry Myrtle and Frankie too!

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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Hi,

My lab was 12 at amputation. I had his surgery on a Thursday and picked him up on the following Saturday. I stayed home with him for a week. My first day back to work I would give him his pain meds right before I left so I knew he would sleep most of the day. My first day I came home he was there to greet me at the door. He had no complications but it took a few weeks for him to get his personality back, but medically he was fine.

My Beautiful Beloved Brownie was diagnosed with Osteosarcoma on February 26, 2019.  With all odds against him he lived an additional one year and eight days with amputation, love, and prayer.  I was honored to be his mom, and I have never been so proud!  He will live forever in my Heart!

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An Update!

We are officially 8 days post-surgery and Bundy is DOING GREAT!!

He was walking around pretty good the day after, and even had his first poop 2 days post-surgery! We are amazed at how well he has adapted!

He had a hematoma at the surgery site when we brought him home, which meant he leaked blood ALL OVER the house! We put potty pads everywhere and it looked like someone was murdered until the hematoma was fully drained.

Post-op visit is on Wednesday, and hopefully all will be good. Until then we have him on a raw keto diet, supplements, medicinal mushrooms, and RSO oil to keep the cancer at bay.

We have been chronicling his story on instagram (its easier to share photos and post quick snapshots of what's been going on)

We are: @Bundy_Tripawd if anyone wants to follow and interact with us!

Thank you all SO VERY MUCH for your support in this journey! I can honestly say I was NOT confident OR hopeful with the idea of amputation before I found this site/community and you all gave me the information and hope needed to get Bundy to where he is today and we are so so grateful!

-M&K & Bundy

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That's great that Bundy is doing good! It's amazing how fast animals adapt. If I May ask, what is RSO oil?  I haven't heard if it, and I m always looking for new things to try for Brownie.

My Beautiful Beloved Brownie was diagnosed with Osteosarcoma on February 26, 2019.  With all odds against him he lived an additional one year and eight days with amputation, love, and prayer.  I was honored to be his mom, and I have never been so proud!  He will live forever in my Heart!

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Well that's such great news! How cool, I'm so hoppy things are going well for your rock star. We would love to see photos, it's easier than you think to share IG pics here so don't be  a stranger! 

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CUTENESS ALERT!!!!   MUST ALWAYS HAVE A CUTENESS  ALERT  WITH THIS AMOUNT OF CUTENESS!  

One of the most adorable cone pictures evvvver!😎

Glad you've  moved past those hurdles the first few days.    Amd a belated YAAAAY FOR POOP!!! We love to celsbrat6 poopicon around  here!!

Hugs

Sally and Alumni Happy Hannah and Merry Myrtle and Frankie too!

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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That's great that Bundy is doing good! It's amazing how fast animals adapt. If I May ask, what is RSO oil?  I haven't heard if it, and I m always looking for new things to try for Brownie.

  

RSO Oil is short for "Rick Simpson Oil" - sometimes known as Phoenix tears? 

Its a potent oil made from the marijuana plant that has equal parts CBD and THC. The THC part is what has been reported (through many personal accounts and case studies, but hard to find real research due to the legality of it) to prevent and break down cancer cells. 

I heard about it through a friend using it for her dog, and we decided to give it a try. 

It is technically illegal in states that haven't legalized marijuana, and we have been using CBD alone with Bundy for a few months before we knew it was cancer. 

Not sure what to expect from it, but might at well try, right? 

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