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Looking for people who were presented with a leg extension surgery option or amputation
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26 September 2019 - 5:22 am
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Leg lengthening surgery vs amputation

Hello I  am very new to your website and am just looking for some opinions as to the realities and recovery of the surgery options my pups has been presented with and why you maybe went through with a similiar surgery or didn't and decided to amputate. 

We recently adopted Parker (8 month old Golden Retriever) about a month ago knowing that she had a bad leg. She had a break on her growth plate (knee cap the area one shaped like a W if this makes sense to any vets or experienced x-ray viewers out there, that's what the vet said in the appointment looking at the x rays) but when we adopted her she was cleared by the prior vet, no pain and was ready to go. She's 8 months old the break happened when she was around 3/4 months old and she is currently not fixed as the prior vet was worried about her getting fixed too soon and sealing those growth plates (appointment is Monday for that).

We just got back from our appointment with our orthopedic specialist vet to discuss options. The vet was very nice and spent nearly 2 hours with us talking through the options and essentially we have three. The first is doing leg extension surgery. The main issue is that her let is so much straighter and shorter than her other leg (about 1 1/2 inches shorter on the femur from what I recall). It's her back left leg that is at issue, so essentially we could do this surgery to cut open her leg, cut the bone and insert a rod/plate either on the inside or externally depending on the surgery in the hopes that it helps with that leg. The muscles in that leg are tight and she does have a limited range of motion, but she can move it, she just doesn't.

Option 2 was basically do nothing and see how it pans out. Option one was presented as a "asap" type thing that she should ideally get done now. That is not a reality for us currently with life the timing is off and we realistically wouldn't be looking to do any type of surgery for her for another year given our travel and work schedules. The cost for option one was also fairly steep as it tends to start around $3-5k for the first procedure minus any follow up procedures, which in her case are likely, and then therapy after. The recovery for option one is also long, a few months where she would need to be isolated, no play and no activities which is hard because we also have a five year old high energy Aussie. So we could wait and see where she's at in a year or mores time but the treatment type surgery of option 1 would likely be drastically changed and get more expensive and a longer recovery the longer we wait.

Option 3 is what the vet called the last resort option which is amputation at some point. The vet didn't seem keen on this option, and neither are we but I know the previous vet noted that they believed amputation to be the best course of action (I have all prior records and the prior vet wrote in his notes that he didn't believe any surgery to "fix" the leg would be as beneficial as simply removing it). Our vet did mention recovery would be significantly shorter for this as well and that she shouldn't have any issues going forward per se.

The reality is, yes the cost is high but we aren't worried about cost per se. I am worried about recovery from a long expensive surgery and how that logistically would work out in our house given our work schedules and our high energy dog. Also the possibility of doing these surgeries and having them fail or not fully work and that requiring more surgery and more recovery is not something I feel comfortable with. I've read a lot online from people who went through the surgeries and then ended up needing an amputation anyway and feeling like they wasted so much of the dogs time on recovery for something that was fruitless.

I wasn't sure if anyone has had a similiar situation and what brought you to amputation.  If we went with option one we would have to travel significantly to a surgery center (2-4 hours) for the procedure and recovery and follow up. But the main issue I have is recovery. The vet said this type of procedure basically relies heavily on recovery and the follow through on the owners to ensure that they are doing everything correct to get that leg to heal. We know there's risk of arthritic issues in the future with this leg but it felt as though the vet was saying well if you don't do option 1 like now, you basically as sol and it will be a wait until we need to amputate situation.

I'm just open to hearing from others and your experiences! Thanks!! 

I will say I am more on board with amputation than my husband is, and in my mind it seems like a simpler, easier solution for her. The vet though kinda made it sound like she would rather her go through the longer treatment and surgery route but it just feels like such a high risk for not that high of a reward per se. 

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Hello and welcome, we are so glad you posted and hope that we can be of help in finding a good path to take for Parker.

You've done an excellent job at doing your homework and getting opinions and facts. smiley_clap When you have a little time on your side, it's so much better to investigate all paths. FWIW, here are my thoughts on your discoveries:

1) Yep, primary care vets will likely say that amputation is the easiest path to take. It's a relatively quick and easy process when cancer isn't involved, and it gets the patient "fixed" and back to a better state of health. But what these vets don't see until much later, are the long-term effects of amputation on a dog or cat. So essentially amputation, when there are other options that might work, is like trading one set of problems for another (see Spree's story). We have to carefully weigh the pros and cons of each.

2) And yep, a surgeon will say that surgery is better than amputation. They hate it! In fact one of the world's most famous vet ortho surgeons introduced himself to me by saying "Amputation is my enemy!" He was half joking of course, but still meant it. Ortho vets want to fix the ortho problem, because it's what they do best, day in and day out. And they love a good challenge case like Parker's. The vet you picked sounds excellent. May I ask what specialty center you are working with? A great ortho surgeon can and often does save legs from amputation. And in the long run if you can do that, you are guaranteeing a higher quality of life for the animal than amputation can. As much as we say it's better to hop on three than limp on four, the fact is that a dog with four legs will move and age better than a dog with three. 

3) You are correct that many people have joined us after failed attempts at saving a leg. There are many reasons why surgeries fail, from the skill of the practitioner to the way in which the parent handles the recuperation and rehab period. It really varies and in our community we don't always know exactly why limb salvage surgeries lead to amputation in the long run. Suffice to say that when surgeries do fail there is usually a lot of money spent beforehand. What I am hearing from you is that a serious, committed orthopedic recovery phase would be tricky and yep, difficult with a high energy packmate like your Aussie. What is your gut feeling about your family's ability to commit to the vet's requirements for healing?

One of the big questions I have now is, did the orthopedic vet say if a prosthetic limb is an option? If not, why not? Is the vet not experienced with prosthetics ? If not, please find one who is. We can help locate one if you'd like. If the ortho vet you saw didn't address it, then I think this is the one element that hasn't been introduced into the conversation and it really should.

Because for as much money and time commitment as prosthetics take, you still wouldn't be looking at nearly as much money or time as a lengthy recovery period from the limb extension surgery. Yes, a commitment to a prosthetic limb for a pet is a life-long thing; you need to train her to use it and she will need to have it serviced and replaced every so often and that's not cheap. But if there is a chance that at least two joints on that bad leg can be left behind so that she can wear a prosthetic, she can have an excellent quality of life on three that is higher than amputation alone can offer.

I hope this helps you consider all the options. Please let us know what you decide.

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Hello and welcome, we are so glad you posted and hope that we can be of help in finding a good path to take for Parker.

You've done an excellent job at doing your homework and getting opinions and facts. smiley_clap When you have a little time on your side, it's so much better to investigate all paths. FWIW, here are my thoughts on your discoveries:

1) Yep, primary care vets will likely say that amputation is the easiest path to take. It's a relatively quick and easy process when cancer isn't involved, and it gets the patient "fixed" and back to a better state of health. But what these vets don't see until much later, are the long-term effects of amputation on a dog or cat. So essentially amputation, when there are other options that might work, is like trading one set of problems for another (see Spree's story). We have to carefully weigh the pros and cons of each.

2) And yep, a surgeon will say that surgery is better than amputation. They hate it! In fact one of the world's most famous vet ortho surgeons introduced himself to me by saying "Amputation is my enemy!" He was half joking of course, but still meant it. Ortho vets want to fix the ortho problem, because it's what they do best, day in and day out. And they love a good challenge case like Parker's. The vet you picked sounds excellent. May I ask what specialty center you are working with? A great ortho surgeon can and often does save legs from amputation. And in the long run if you can do that, you are guaranteeing a higher quality of life for the animal than amputation can. As much as we say it's better to hop on three than limp on four, the fact is that a dog with four legs will move and age better than a dog with three. 

3) You are correct that many people have joined us after failed attempts at saving a leg. There are many reasons why surgeries fail, from the skill of the practitioner to the way in which the parent handles the recuperation and rehab period. It really varies and in our community we don't always know exactly why limb salvage surgeries lead to amputation in the long run. Suffice to say that when surgeries do fail there is usually a lot of money spent beforehand. What I am hearing from you is that a serious, committed orthopedic recovery phase would be tricky and yep, difficult with a high energy packmate like your Aussie. What is your gut feeling about your family's ability to commit to the vet's requirements for healing?

One of the big questions I have now is, did the orthopedic vet say if a prosthetic limb is an option? If not, why not? Is the vet not experienced with prosthetics ? If not, please find one who is. We can help locate one if you'd like. If the ortho vet you saw didn't address it, then I think this is the one element that hasn't been introduced into the conversation and it really should.

Because for as much money and time commitment as prosthetics take, you still wouldn't be looking at nearly as much money or time as a lengthy recovery period from the limb extension surgery. Yes, a commitment to a prosthetic limb for a pet is a life-long thing; you need to train her to use it and she will need to have it serviced and replaced every so often and that's not cheap. But if there is a chance that at least two joints on that bad leg can be left behind so that she can wear a prosthetic, she can have an excellent quality of life on three that is higher than amputation alone can offer.

I hope this helps you consider all the options. Please let us know what you decide.

  

Thanks for the reply! We are trying to figure out the best thing to do and I'm nothing if not committed to researching the best course of action. 

Our vet did not talk to us about a prosthetic and I didn't even think to mention it. That might be something we need to look into, how do we go about finding a vet that would know of these things? 

We are working with an orthopedic specialist who splits her time between the small local office near us and a larger hospital. She did state that in order for us to do the surgery procedure we would need (she would prefer that facility but said she could find others as well if we didn't want to go there) go to OSU, Ohio State University as that is where she went to school and she said they have a great orthopedic surgery center with the equipment needed if we want to do the procedure. We are located closer to Youngstown Ohio near the Pittsburgh PA line so we are directly between Pittsburgh and Cleveland and can go to either large city for second opinions on any of this in the future as well. 

The vet did say for now she is fine on that leg and does use it, so if we chose not to do the leg extender surgery we could work with Parker to ensure she can keep that leg as long as possible unless we get told otherwise from a different vet. Our gut is telling us that the recovery from the leg surgery would be really hard for us, and I don't know that I would be able to ensure that 5months, or even a year out or more from the surgery that she won't hurt it again because of the type of play and activities involving the Aussie. If she were in a one dog home for sure, but recovery is really what makes us pause and not jump on option 1. 

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I do agree that the surgery would be best at OSU, if you went that route.

For now, here is a link to our informational posts with interviews featuring Martin K., founder of OrthoPets, the world's #1 prosthetic designers. To investigate the prosthetics route, I recommend asking the ortho vet you've been working with for a referral to an ortho vet who is experienced in this area (if your vet isn't). I'm betting that OSU has some who are well versed in artificial limbs for pets.

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Just want to add my welcome, and best wishes.

As Jerry noted, you are doing an excellent  job in researching  all options, as well, and having such a great understanding  of Parker, as well as understanding  your own situation  and what is doable for you, and what's  more of a challenge.

As far as the amputation,  it's one surgery, one recovery for about two weeks, and then Parker is free to be Parker again safely and with no pain.

Keep us posted.  And we would love to see pictures of Parker.  He definitely hit the Puppy Lottery with you!

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Sally and Alumni Happy Hannah and Merry Myrtle and Frankie too!

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!


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Just want to add my welcome, and best wishes.

As Jerry noted, you are doing an excellent  job in researching  all options, as well, and having such a great understanding  of Parker, as well as understanding  your own situation  and what is doable for you, and what's  more of a challenge.

As far as the amputation,  it's one surgery, one recovery for about two weeks, and then Parker is free to be Parker again safely and with no pain.

Keep us posted.  And we would love to see pictures of Parker.  He definitely hit the Puppy Lottery with you!

Hugs

Sally and Alumni Happy Hannah and Merry Myrtle and Frankie too!

  

Thank you! We have a follow up appointment with our vet following her spay on Monday (same office as the Ortho specialist) and I'm going to mention prosthetics and see if the Ortho vet has an opinion on it or can provide a reccomendation. 

For now she's honestly doing great we are going to also look into a facility about an hour away that does water therapy and see if we can get her in a pool doing some work on that leg that's low impact. We also just ordered some dasuquin per the orthos reccomendation to up her from glucosamine to that. So hopefully we are taking steps in the right direction at least for now. . . 

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