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Roxie Lou (Roo Roo) post-chemo lung mets
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9 August 2013 - 10:30 pm
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Welllll, that's one of the weird things.  She seems to have sensitivity on her front legs but the surgeon came and checked them out yesterday and didn't find anything there.  Maybe her joints hurt.  She didn't really have arthritis, amazingly enough, but there's so much strain on the remaining joints with the ups and downs that maybe that's starting.  We've come to a stop with the fish oil, too, until I can hide it in a big enough piece of meat.

Sally, you may remember my eyes were glazing over by page 6 of Jim/Admin's video instructions, so not sure how soon Her Royal Rooness will be on the internet. 

Ok, off to bed.  Saturday is housecleaning/laundry day and school day for Smokey.  WOO HOO!! 

Hugs and hearts, Liz and Roo

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10 August 2013 - 7:20 am
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I'd say the valium is for both you AND her! ;)

As for videos, Sally can show you, she's now our in-house tech geek!

We are thinking of you and your pack, hoping that you have a good, happy weekend and that Roxie makes improvement. Keep us posted.

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OK, long frustrating story...onco called Friday (on her day off); confirmed urinalysis showed nothing and agreed to stop metronidazole. She just looks so sick and so sad (Roxie, not the onco - heheheh - sorry).  She's barely been off her bed, so is getting weaker and going outside to pee is excrutiatingly slow.  All since Monday.  So I ground up some multivitamins, CAS Options (mushroom blend), and K9 Immunity Plus with some wet dog food and goat's milk and gave it to her in a syringe.  Along with the high-calorie gel.  2 hours later she looked more alert, the glassy look was gone, she sat up, scarfed up some roast beast and cheese, and toddled out to pee.  That was the best part of the weekend.  I had a long talk with the holistic vet in the afternoon.  His philosophy, of course, address the whole dog, not just the part that's not working, and the first stop in his toolbox isn't often drugs.  His focus is on comfort and quality of life, and we're sure having those issues right now.  He recommended a few herbs/mixes for support.  After re-reading discussions in the Dog Cancer Survival Guide and other Googlish sources, I decided against a couple, but did get marshmallow tincture and cordyceps mushrooms (that's the only one of the big 4 that isn't in CAS Options), and some blackstrap molasses.  Also made a marrowbone broth.  Which, along with just about everything else I've schlepped to her, she refused.  Oh, yeah, also braised chicken livers last night which completely offended her anorexic self.  Still doing the syringe-feeding and bringing water frequently.  Meanwhile, following our every trip back and forth with offerings is Smokey saying "I'll eat that" or "Ill drink that"!!!!!

So tonight after supper we loaded them in the car and drove around town with the windows down.  Stopped at a park and got her out.  New sights, new smells, and it was like a hit of adrenalin.  and BEST OF ALL:  ROXIE POOPED FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE WEDNESDAY MORNING!!!!!  ROO ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!  Imagine 2 idiots dancing in a field because their dog pooped!!!!  She also walked a lot farther than anytime in the last 4-5 days and she was pulling ME.  She's totally wiped out.

So.  We've talked and talked and hubby and I think we're taking a permanent drug holiday with Roxie.  No one knows for sure what's caused this slide, but she's had problems with every drug and, some other drug is then prescribed to address the problems, which maybe then causes more problems.  Her old self has so many chemicals in it now!!   I'll be calling onco tomorrow to report on the weekend, and, unless she's got some convincing new thoughts, I'm going to talk to her about her role in palliative care.  I don't feel comfortable starting back on Palladia again.  Primary care vet will be back from vaca on Tuesday, so I'll be polling him for his thoughts, too.  His opinion is the one I trust most; having relied on him for over 30 years now!  I'm cherry-picking from all my sources and trying to go with what feels right for her.  I know I'll have doubt and second-guesses, but right now I feel like my head's stopped spinning for the first time in awhile.  And I'm very open to any other points-of-view/ideas/suggestions.

-Liz and Roxie

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11 August 2013 - 9:05 pm
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Boy car rides just work their magic don't they?!

Liz, I know that it's hard to come to a decision like this but sometimes it's just the best idea. You won't feel so overwhelmed and neither will Roxie. Plus, you can really start to narrow down the cause of her not feeling well through the process of elimination. Don't allow this to make you feel like you're surrendering: if anything you're surrendering to the power of the universe and all its magic.

{{{hugs}}}

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11 August 2013 - 9:17 pm
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I just spent 20 minutes updating this post and it disappeared....WAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!

Anyway; discouraging weekend with Roxie.  Called onco Friday; urinalysis shows nothing.  She was skeptical about side effects I mentioned, but she agreed to stop metronidazole.  We're seeing continued lethargy, complete lack of appetite, getting weaker the few times we could get her up to do her business, eyes glassy with a greenish discharge - YUCK!!!  Frustrated, yesterday morning I ground up K9 Immunity Plus, multivitamins, CAS Options (mushroom blend), blended it with wet dog food and goat's milk and gave it to her in a syringe, along with the high-cal gel.  2 hours later her eyes cleared, she was much moe alert, sat up, scarfed up about 2 pieces of roast beef and a little cheese, and toddled out to pee.  We were ecstatic, but this was the high point. 

Talked at length to holistic vet in the afternoon.  Of course, his focus/philosophy is so different from the science-based, and treating the broken part is not the only focus.  We've suddenly got such issues with comfort and quality of life.  So, I picked up a few things he'd suggested:  marshmallow tincture, cordyceps mushroom (to round out the CAS Options), made a marrowbone broth (she grudgingly slurped a little), and have continued with the syringe stuff and the high-cal gel.  She turned her nose up at the organic braised chicken livers, pardon me.  Of course, Smokey is following on our heels as we're schlepping food and drink offerings back and forth and he's saying "I'll eat that"  I'll drink that"!!

Tonight we loaded the dogs into the car after supper and drove around town with the windows down (her favorite), and stopped at a nearby park.  New smells, new sights - like a hit of adrnalin for Roxie!! She moved along and finally FINALLY: she pooped for the first time since Wednesday morning!!!!!  ROO ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!  Imagine 2 idiots dancing in a field b/c their dog pooped.  She's GOT to feel better.  She's definitely wiped out.

So tomorrow I call onco to report on the weekend.  Hubby and I have talked and talked, and we think it's time to give Roxie a holiday from further drugs.  She's had issues with each one, and then the next one is prescribed, and more issues.  So I'll ask onco what her role will be with a palliative care approach.  And then we're going out for another ride.  When primary care vet is back from vaca on Tuesday, I'll poll him, too.  I trust him the most as he's known and worked with us for over 30 years.  So I'll cherry-pick the ideas from each vet that seem to feel right for Roxie.  At least that's the new plan.  I feel like my head isn't spinning for the first time in awhile, so maybe that's telling me this is the way to go. I hope so, but welcome any other thoughts/challenges/opinions.

-Confused Liz and Tuckered-out Roo

 

 

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11 August 2013 - 9:20 pm
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HEY my first post reappeared - is the gremlin in Sally's tablet now in my laptop?  Jerry, can you delete the 2nd version???

sheesh.

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11 August 2013 - 9:44 pm
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Thaaat's right...blame the computer "special needs" person! uh uh, I see how this works! And vy the way, I like having #the two posts! Ovrall, they're relatively positive! And we get to applaud poop twice! big-grinclown....Look at tht Liz! I did emoticons! HA! now another applause for the second post of pooPaw-shucks Are ya' having a little emoticon envy over there:winker

Liz, honest to goodness, I can "hear" the relief in your voice!

You can always "re-start stuff. But clearly, if you see improvement after she's off all these drugs, then the "treatment" was taking away her quality more than the crap disease.

I'm sooooo glad yo're seeing a little sparkle. Great idea getting her out for a joy riide

She has got to feel better just from pooping!

Your head isn't spinning because you are VERY , VERY tned to what's best for Roxie right ow. Kind of a validtion from the Universe type thing.

And takingher off drugs for now IS doing something! Addng holistic alternatives IS doing something! You DO have a plan and you may already see the benefits of this plan!

Thanks soooo much for the update. Our little commnity worries ya' klw if we don't hear from those we care aboutwhateverwhatever

Roo Rooooooooooo let me repeat that ROO ROOOOOOOOOOOOO
Lots of love,

Sally and Happy Hannah

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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11 August 2013 - 9:53 pm
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Thank you thank you, especially for the Roo's!!!  Still waiting for her royal self to start bossing me around again.

Yes, I now have emoticon envy....was trying to figure out how to find that extra list that Admin showed you - the Snoopy happy dog dance seems appropriate for this evening's events at the park, but didn't have the patience to find it again.

And I was most certainly NOT blaming the person but the evil, nasty, mean creatures who live inside all electronics and exist only to annoy/confuse/confound us.

 

Hugs and hope right back.

-Liz and The Roo

 

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11 August 2013 - 10:35 pm
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Hey, in my case it is a whooooole lot the person too! Like about ninety nine per cent!,

Yeah, looked u those emoticns of admin too......so fun and cute. But the stricti s for using them......say what?

Every day's a new day Liz and HRH Roxie! Keep eatngyor gel stuff Roxie and anythng else you can finagle out ofyour loyal servant/chef!

Alright Roxie, oucker u tose jowls ad let's get tis Karaoke started!

ROO ROOOOOOOOOOO ROO ROOOOOOOOOOOOO AND AGAIN ROO ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Your HRH fan club,

Sally and Happy Hannah

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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12 August 2013 - 7:04 am
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Liz,

First, technical issues out of the way:

When you leave a forum or blog post open for 20  minutes the system will time out. It's a security feature intended to keep those nasty bots from invading again.

Now, if this happens to you again and your post disappears, try hitting your "back" button in your browser one time, then hit "add reply" and your original post should appear.

As for emoticons, here's a link to lots of safe choices. I say "safe" because there's a lot of emoticons on the web that are filled with viruses and bugs. Only use them from trusted sources.

Now, about Roxie....

I do think there is a LOT of comfort and a sense of peace that comes from reaching the point that you've reached. It makes things better in a sense but it also sucks. You want a magic pill that can take all of the stupid cancer away and make things the way they were before it appeared. But if you and your docs agree that the treatment is worse than the disease, and will not bring quality of life, then it's time for palliative care and a hearty dose of faith that things will stabilize. I'm so sorry, I know how much that hurts, I remember it well. Remember we are here for you and you can bounce any ideas off us or just vent OK?

P.S. I would love the name of your holistic vet; sounds like this person has a ton of knowledge that would be useful for some blog posts. I'd love to interview him/her. Can you Private Message or email me their details? Thank you!

Tripawds Founders Jim and Rene
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Hi Liz,

I think I have shared before that I decided not to treat Maggie's second cancer- and one of the things that helped make it OK was what my vet said (and Jerry above): at some point the treatment becomes worse than the disease.

While is might seem to some like giving up, I don't look at it that way. In my case I had to accept what was happening, and take control of the only thing I really could at that point- make each day Maggie's best day.  Unfortunately we know where this journey will lead us, where it will end. We win by saying F. U. CANCER- you are not taking the joy out of every day!

And for me, after I made the no treatment decision, there was a sense of peace and relief.  I guess it was part of acceptance. Mag was still a handful, but it was easier to move on knowing we weren't trying new meds or facing surgery and recovery.

Follow Roxie's lead.....roooooooo rooooooooo.

 

Karen

 

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I started the day feeling we'd made a decision and now it's more like the path has been chosen for us.  Talked to onco early afternoon.  With no real improvement, she said she just doesn't think this is med-related, and that they've missed something. So we went back and when she did her exam, noted that Roxie's one remaining back leg seemed very sensitive. She was actually looking for issues with the front legs and possible cancer in the abdomen when we first got there.  So she x-rayed the lungs again and the back leg. The bigger tumor has grown "substantially" in less than 2 weeks, and she's detecting what may be a little fluid around the lungs.  To top it off, she's got a partial ACL tear on that leg.  Didn't xray the front legs or the abdomen because she'd found the major causes.  Crap, crap, and more. 

So, although the Palladia is her choice for still fighting, she agrees with our choice to address the pain, keep Roxie comfortable and help her when it's time.  We decided to go with Rimadyl since I have a bunch and we thought the Deramaxx last week was causing the GI problems.  So got her home and popped her a pill.  Followed by 2 slices of roast beast.  An hour later it was doggie dinner time, and she scarfed down more roast beast  AND AND Hill's A/D canned (that I had left from our Spirit Trevor) - she ate not only canned food but medicinal canned food.  It's like she knows we FINALLY figured it out and, if she thought she was spoiled before....LOOK OUT!!!!  Another hour later I brought home pizza (her most FAVORITE food from her first Dad).  We watched while her nose started twitching, pointed itself in our direction, her eyes popped open and lasered in on the slice I was just chomping on.  She sat up and inhaled as many pieces of crust as we'd allow her and then washed it down with fro yo.  And I snuck Prilosec and mushroom pills in and she never noticed.  She's resting, but seems alert and yet relaxed.  So if this is what we've got for a little while it's better than this last miserable week.

And thank you, Jerry, for your earlier tech advice; I just lost this post and found it again - THANKS!!  whew.

Karen, you're so right about the feeling of taking control.  I was uncomfortable on the way to the vet since she'd sounded like she was really going to push for more drugs; it felt like being trapped into a direction we didn't want.  Once she saw what's going on, she was all about quality of life.  I guess the docs don't like admitting defeat either, and in that profession they face it every day.  And as much as we feel robbed of the "maybe a year", this is the reality.  I'm just hoping she'll rally enough for one more ROO ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!  I know it's in her thought-bubble waiting to come out.

Thank you again for your support.  I'm going to go blubber in the bathroom now.

Liz and HRH

 

 

 

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12 August 2013 - 7:40 pm
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HRH Roxie and her loyal, really good servant and great court jester!

Well, something is making her get her appetite back in spite of the newer diagnosis. Oh, that's right, Roxie doesn't know about any ole stupid diagnosis!
Roxie's not thinking about time frames, or even about tomorrow. Just about how she can manipulate more roast beef and pizza from you! Yeah, she needs her loyal servant to get her a roast beef pizza! Betcha' Papa John's would make it for her!

It does seem that eliminating one of those previous meds...and who knows which one....has heled ner a little bit. And in this world, a "little bit" is HUGE! And....it IS better than tht miserable week....everythng is relative of course.

As you know, Roxie is HERE with you now and NOW is the time to think about nothing else. Just like Roxie is doing!

I sincerely, from the bottom of my heart wish I could d something to make this a better outcome...as does everyone on this site. We can only "be here" for you......sending as mich empowerment and strentgh as possible to you across the "energy field", along with a big zap of love and serenity.

Hope has many different definitions In my opnion , as long as there is breath, there is hope. Maybe hpe no longer about a cur, maybe hoe is no longer about two years, maybe hoe is no longer about one year.....yet, it can still be about all those things. But now, maybe the face of hope is about enjoying every single moment and hoping for the best quality possible under the circumstances. And maybe the face of hope is now about getting her t eat more roast beef. There is always hope for something and hope is what helps us help them.

Gosh, it's no wonder Roxie doesn't feel like Roo Rooooooing yet! It's hard work! We've all been doing it for her now for several days and it takes A LOT of energy:blush. That little emticonis me turning red trying to Roo Roooo so much! Hard work I tell ya! Besides, she nows we're doing it for her so she's not wasting her energy!

Okay Happy y Hannah wants to send Roxie smething. But, as you kow you little technidolt you, Rene has to check her email and post it!!

Alright, gott

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Grrrrrrrr....$&$%$&% keyboard disappears ! Have one more thing to say

ROO ROOOOOOOOOOOO ROO ROOOOOOOOOOOOOO ROO ROOOOOOOOOOOOOO ROO ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ROO ROOOOOOOOOOOO ROO ROOOOOO

Gotta catch my breath almost passing out......... gasping.....gaspblush

ROO ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ROO ROOOOOOOOOOOOOO ROO ROOOOOOOOOOOOO ROO ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ROO ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Jiminy Christmas tht's hard work!! Come on Roxie, I know you heard it Roo Roooooooooooooo Roo Roooooooooooooooooo

gasping over hereblush

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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12 August 2013 - 8:37 pm
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Happy Hannah already knows this.

Many, many Tripawds members know this.

Roxie and I know this.

Sally, you are THE BEST!!!!  And we send a big honking air-sucking ROO ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO to yoooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!

Sambuca helps the gasping.  At least I'm letting it try.  winker

The Princess is looking forward to receiving her fan mail.

And The Celestine Conspiracy arrived today, just when I need something to look forward to.  Which does not surprise you, I'm sure.

Hugs & hearts, Liz & Roxie

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