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2 November 2010 - 8:36 pm
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wow....phew.  First of all, welcome welcome....we all know you would prefer politely not to have ever met any of us at all, but now that you are here, welcome to our family.

I'm with Dan and Shanna...a second opinion might not be out of line at this time...I know sometimes that is tough to do if you have dealt with the same vet for a long time...I just asked for a second opinion at the SAME PRACTICE!!  But I just wasn't satisfied with what was happening.

Magic did NOT have a good reaction to tramadol....it made him  sort of passive aggressive I think.....once it cleared out of his system...no problem.  Whiskey on the other hand, didn't have any negative reactions and has taken it now for two surgeries.

I don't have any answers for you on the other....but sending hugs and pawsitive thoughts to you....Poor Roadie...life sucks sometimes

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2 November 2010 - 9:25 pm
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Oh Roadie, that is brutal, I am so sorry about what's going on.

The only information I could find that sounds similar to what you have is this Googe Book search result. It also talks about lethargy being a sign of the disease. But it does say that vasculities is really, really rare. To me, it sounds like you're dealing with a very accellerated type of condition, and time is of the essence. If it were me, I would go to another vet (referred by someone you know and trust) who can either confirm the condition or look for something else. Roadie's next appointment is really far away.

As for a dog living a good life as a BiPawd? My answer is that it depends on the dog, their pawsonality and how much time/energy you have to cope with this condition. We have known several dogs who are missing the use o either both front or rear legs, and they do GREAT and they're happy. But please, don't think about that route now, you're not there. Don't worry about things that haven't happened yet. One hop at a time, as we like to say here.

Poor guy. Please give him a smooch for us OK?

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2 November 2010 - 9:34 pm
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Good advice Jerry, one hop at a time

We are all rooting for you Roadie!!

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2 November 2010 - 9:49 pm
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Oh Roadie, I'm so sorry for your troubles (not you Trouble)....

Yes, do get a second opinion...and everyone is right about the side effects of some of the drugs.

I will say a prayer for your swift recovery!  We are all here for you.

Pat, Angel Ruthie & puppy Tess

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2 November 2010 - 10:20 pm
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Add me to the second opinion and aggressive treatment camp.  You still have questions that you aren't getting answers to, so ask someone else.

Poor Roadie--get better, guy!

Mary and Cemil

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3 November 2010 - 6:27 am
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You've got my attention on this one, and I reread your post and would like to add a couple things to consider, again, I don't know anything about heartworm or vasculitis, but if I understand that you think the heartworm is contributing to the vasculitis , then to me it would stand to reason if you don't treat the heartworm you aren't going to get rid of the other, hence getting a second opinion. Maybe it has something to do with the meds interacting, but I'd be asking a lot of questions to why not treat the heartworm if it is causing the vasculitis. Comfort with your vet is really important when you are dealing with major issues like you are, but if it was a choice of offending my vet or saving my dog, there is no doubt what I would do. I'm not trying to cut down your vet, I just think he-she has left you hanging, and you deserve answers. All of us here also know what your going through isn't cheap, and some people can only afford so much, which sometimes puts you in position of making more tough decisions and no one here would ever second guess whatever you decided, you know your dog and situation best. I wish there was a way I could do something for you, I really hope you can get this under control and get Roadie back to his old self, we all know how hard it is for you right now. Big Paws up, Spirit Gus and Dan 

My buddy Gus had a left front amputation on April 7, 2010 and lived a great life until July 26,2010

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3 November 2010 - 6:37 am
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Good morning everyone,

 

Thank you all for your concern, it means so much.

It seems like I am in a constant state of worry as to what to do with Roadie's future.

 

I posted on the 'Ask A Vet' section here in the forums as to Roadie's condition, and this

is what I received from Dr. Pam:

 

"The vasculitis could sure be secondary to heartworm disease, since these worms live in the blood vessels.  Regardless of the cause vasculitis is often very difficult to treat, since the whole body is infected.  Most of the time high-dose steroids (prednisone) or other immunosuppressive drugs need to be given in addition to the pentoxifylline.  Since heartworm disease is present that should also be treated.

I must admit that the prognosis is very poor for this little dog. Steroids are usually contra-indicated after a major surgery like amputation but I don't think you have much choice, since the vasculitis will often progress to involve the entire body. I would try to contact a local vet school or Internal Medicine specialist to try and manage this case!"

Good luck,

Pam

 

I take from this a message of a very grim future for Roadie.

I've asked about the heartworm, and I am told we cannot treat it yet.

 

It's been 3 weeks since surgery.

All I keep seeing is my dog going off into some corner to be alone.  I keep hoping it will end, but he

just seems to have withdrawn. 

I don't know if I believe it's the meds doing this to him.  He's only on two.

I just feel he is very unhappy....his personality is not adjusting to this, or more to the point...Roadie is very sick.

 

One hop at a time....yes.

 

Thanks everyone

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3 November 2010 - 6:46 am
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Oh jeez, this sounds horrible.  I am sorry you and Roadie are in this mess.  I have never heard of this and it sounds really awful.  I will keep Roadie in my prayers and hope and hope and hope for you both.

Elizabeth and Sammy

Diagnosed with osteosarcoma in the right front leg 8/23/10,

leg fractured 8/27/10,

leg amputated 8/30/10

http://sammyand.....pawds.com/

 

I couldn't begin to say how special Sammy is to us.  Living and laughing with and loving this wonderful boy is priceless.

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3 November 2010 - 8:00 am
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Thank you Elizabeth and Sammy.

 

You know I just wish I was dealing with an amputation.  I can deal with that.

But he is suffering with two very serious diseases - heartworm and vasculitis.

 

I just don't know if I am supposed to go ahead with this.

Try to fix a dog who is fighting so much.

And point blank, we just don't have the income to keep going.

 

Posters have mentioned that aggressive treatment is needed to fight the vasculitis.

Yet as Dr. Pam states, it is not advisable to do so b/c of the amputation.

Obviously our own vet feels the same, because he is not putting him on any additional

meds/steroids.

In the meantime, what damage is being done on his insides as we wait?

 

signed...very confused.

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3 November 2010 - 8:07 am
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I saved this article on my computer and repost parts of it when it seems necessary (orig. posted elsewhere on this site and really long…). Sounds like you are facing some tough options, so here are some things to consider:

Defining "Quality of Life"
 by Moira Anderson Allen, M.Ed.

Whenever one considers the painful choice of euthanasia, one is always advised to take the pet's "quality of life" into account. But what is "quality of life"? How can you determine whether a pet is still experiencing a good quality of life — or whether its level of suffering is no longer acceptable? That decision is individual to every pet, and every owner. Following, however, are some factors to consider when attempting to assess a pet's quality of life:

Mobility:

An older pet often loses mobility. A dog may no longer be able to climb stairs or hop into a car; a cat may lose the ability to jump onto a bed or chair. At this stage, however, your pet may still be healthy and happy, and you can easily make accommodations for its reduced ability.  If, however, your pet can barely move, that's another matter. Can your pet get to its feet without assistance? Can it sit or lie down without collapsing? Can it walk? Can it handle basic functions, such as squatting on a litterbox? Does it whimper or growl if you attempt to move it? I've seen dogs so crippled with hip dysplasia that they literally had to drag their immobilized hindquarters across the floor; this hardly represents the "quality of life" I want for my pets.

Appetite/Eating Ability:

Is your pet able to eat? Can it consume enough food (or digest that food) to remain properly nourished? Does it regurgitate immediately after eating? Is it unable to chew, or does it have difficulty swallowing? Does it enjoy eating, or do you have to coax every bite past its lips? A pet that is unable to eat or gain sufficient nourishment from its food is on a slow road to starvation.

Discomfort:

It can be difficult to determine whether a pet is in pain, as animals instinctively mask discomfort as much as possible. You can pick up clues, however, by watching its posture and expression. Does your pet's face appear furrowed or "worried", rather than relaxed and happy? Does it sit hunched or "hunkered" and tense, rather than relaxing and lying down? Lack of mobility can also be a sign of pain.

Another indication of pain is "denning." An animal in pain will seek a safe place where it won't be disturbed by other animals. If your pet has forsaken its usual territories or sleeping places for the back of the closet or a spot under the bed, this may be a sign that it is pain or distress and feels vulnerable. A more obvious indication of pain is a pet's reaction to touch. If your pet responds to touch by flinching away, hissing, snarling, or even snapping, this is a clear indication of pain. Sometimes this can indicate a localized pain; if the pet doesn't want to be touched at all, however, it may indicate a broader discomfort.

Happiness:

Determining whether your pet is "enjoying" life is certainly a subjective decision. However, if you have been a keen observer of your pet's behavior and attitude during its lifetime, you are likely to be able to determine when it no longer seems "happy." You'll know when it no longer seems to take any pleasure from its food, its toys, its surroundings — and most of all, from contact with you and the rest of its family. Most pets are tremendously easy to please; when it no longer becomes possibly to raise a purr or a tail-wag, you can be fairly certain that your pet is receiving little joy from life.

Response to Treatment:

When a pet becomes ill, our natural response is to provide whatever treatment we can. This may mean tests, medications, even surgery. But drugs have side effects, repeated trips to the vet cause emotional distress, and more invasive treatments take a physical toll. Eventually, we may conclude that our efforts to treat a pet's illness are more stressful to the pet than the condition itself — and that our efforts to save a pet's life are actually diminishing, rather than enhancing, the quality of that life.

Making a Decision:

Assessing a pet's quality of life is an ongoing process, not a one-time decision. Initially, we're likely to attempt to compensate for the problems we see. Pain medication may relieve a pet's discomfort and improve its mobility. A change in diet may improve a pet's appetite or provide better nutrition. We may resolve that we're willing to clean up after a pet and carry it wherever it needs to go, for as long as necessary. But eventually such measures will cease to be effective. The process of assessing "quality of life" is really a question of determining (and deciding) when that point has been reached — and what you intend to do next.  It is often tempting, at this point, to postpone a decision still longer by deciding to "let nature take its course." Before choosing that course of action (or inaction), however, it's important to understand that, as a pet owner, you have been thwarting the "course of nature" from the beginning. By ensuring that your pet has food and shelter and is protected from predators, you have already guaranteed that nature will not take its course. By providing medical treatment, you have prolonged the life of your pet far beyond what it could have expected if left to "nature." In nature, an animal that becomes too ill to obtain food or protect itself will perish quickly, though not necessarily comfortably.

Nor does nature necessarily offer an "easy" death even if you choose to let it "take its course" in the comfort of your home. An animal that cannot breathe easily, cannot eat or digest food properly, cannot control its bodily functions, and can scarcely move or enjoy human contact because of pain, is hardly dying "comfortably."

This is really what the "quality of life" issue is all about. By usurping nature's role throughout the life of our pets, we must sometimes also accept its role in determining (and bringing about) the death of a pet. To accept this, we may also have to accept that, in some cases, the quality of life we're really trying to protect is our own: That we're allowing our pet to suffer out of a desire to avoid the anguish we know that we will experience when it dies. And that, ultimately, is the most unselfish act of love we can offer: To end a pet's suffering, we must choose to accept our own.

-Chloe's mom

P.S. I am not saying to do one thing or another, but to just consider these things before you make a decision. Best of luck.

Chloe became a rear amp tripawd on 7-29-10. Another tumor was removed on front leg 2-20-14. Found 3rd tumor on neck 2-2015, but she's still kicking cancer's butt at age 14. Chloe's blog

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3 November 2010 - 8:28 am
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Chloe - Yes, I remember seeing that article and found it helpful to be confident when it was not yet Tazzie's "time" as well when it was 'the time'.  In addition to current quality of life, a big part of these decisions is obviously whether it is a temporary state of pain or if there is no chance for improvement. When our cancer dogs get near the end of their journey, I think each of us realizes that they are at a point from which they won't rebound - in contrast to the earlier hurdles (amputation, a burst lung met).

Thinking of you, Roadie and family, in this most difficult situation. Roadie is such a lovely dog and so young. Our dogs' serious illnesses are really hard for all of us, but it breaks my heart when such a young dog is involved.

As per Pam's suggestion, so you have a vet school in your region?

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3 November 2010 - 8:51 am
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@ Chloe's mom;

 

Thank you for posting that article, I read each and every word.

Sadly I kept nodding my head, because so much of it pertains to Roadie.

He is constantly hiding in corners, closets, or wherever he can be alone.

He seems to barely want to eat or drink.

I see no happiness in his eyes.

We call him, and he just sits there.

It's getting to the point where he won't even make an effort to go outside to

use the bathroom, we must carry him. 

I see so much ahead for him as far as treatments go, and already he strikes me as

an animal that doesn't want to be bothered.

If I saw even an inkling of his old self in him, I may be feeling different right now.

But it seems there is not even a smidge of the old Roadie to be seen.

He stumbles all the time, falls when he is just sitting there.  He seems so uncomfortable.

 

How do you make a decision like this though?  It's like playing God, and it feels so wrong.

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3 November 2010 - 8:52 am
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Also I have found through my intense research on vasculitis that Jack Russells and Rat

Terriers are breeds that are prone to this illness.

Roadie is a mix of these two breeds.

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3 November 2010 - 9:17 am
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magicwabby said:

How do you make a decision like this though?  It's like playing God, and it feels so wrong.

This final decision is the ultimate gift you have to give Roadie since he can't make it on his own. Ask yourself, how do you want to remember him?

It's why we started this topic with questions to ask and help prepare for pet loss. You'll find more helpful topics in the Coping With Loss forum too. The Argus Institute at CSU also has a toll free pet hospice care hotline. Finally, many members have found Doug Koktavy's book helpful for coping with the anticipatory grief you are feeling.

Finally, God would not want Roadir to suffer.

Tripawds Founders Jim and Rene
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I keep thinking about you guys and after I posted this morning also thought about a university or something like that if it was in reasonable distance. I read Chloes moms post and I think it is excellent, I hope you can find some help from it. I hope you know that whatever decision you make you are doing it because you love Roadie, and that you are doing everything within your power to help him, I hope you can find some comfort in that. Realize he doesn't know whats happening, doesn't know what a prognosis is, what any diseases are, he just knows he doesn't feel good right now, and you are still there for him, if that helps. I'm really praying for you on this one, Paws up, Gus and Dan   

My buddy Gus had a left front amputation on April 7, 2010 and lived a great life until July 26,2010

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