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New to forum - story of a 3-legged Bernese Mountain Dog. Advice sought...
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Update: Gus has had his first 3 shots of Adequan (sp?) - one administered at the vet and the other two by me.  It's still much too early to tell whether he'll benefit, but his struggles have become more pronounced the last few weeks, so I took him in today to see if there isn't something more going on other than normal "wear and tear/arthritis".  Alas, the vet thinks he has a partially torn cruciate ligament along with crepitus and arthritis.  I chose not to have xrays done as they are tough on him and frankly, the treatment won't change much.  As you might expect, we're pretty upset.  Poor Gus can't catch a break!  

Anyway, in terms of 'next steps' - the vet did a blood test (results pending) to see if his liver/kidney numbers are the same (i.e., not good) as they were when we discontinued anti-inflammatory meds 2 months ago.  If they are still bad, then there's really no harm in putting him back on them.  In addition, he'll get both gabapentin and tramadol for pain management in addition to the adequan injections and glucosamine supplements.  

Here is where I'm struggling.  I don't want to be that owner that denies the inevitable at the expense of their beloved pet.  But Gus hasn't "quit" yet.  He still wants to go for walks, charges the door when we get home, eats, sleeps, etc.  I can't give up on him when he still has that zest for life that has carried him 9 years and counting.  I hope and pray that I'll know when he's ready. That day will come and when it does, it will be too soon, but that time isn't now.  

I'll keep the board updated in the hopes that someone might find something useful from this information.  

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13 May 2013 - 4:46 pm
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Hey Gus you handsome boy!

And mom----straight off the bat---you are NOT denying the inevitable----so release that "struggle" from your.mind right.now:-)

What you ARE is a losing mom continuing to give Gus the best quality life possible because GUS still wants that:-) :-) :-) You k w your Gus and you are reading his desire to keep going exactly right:-) :-) Sleeping--eating--going for walks---excited when you come home---all these are definite traits of a happy dog----even if he had only three out of our--that's still a good quality:-) :-)

Yes, he has some challenges and his sparkle may be more of a "spark" some days and then "sparkling" the next but that's okay.

You already know the "drill" and you are doing it:-) :-) You-and Gus are enjoying every single second and, needless to say, Gus isn't worried about a single ting---he is just enjoying living in the present and getting spoiled and treats!!

You're still working through a plan and some of the things you are doing may indeed kick in and help out some. Do keep us posted. You know how much we all care.

Okay' now go outside---close the door---wait one minute and then come back in---and grin ear to ear as Gus charges the door to greet you:-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

I'm grinning just visualizing it:-) :-) Sally and Happy Hannah

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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13 May 2013 - 8:00 pm
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Poor Gus! I'm sorry the news wasn't better but I agree, he's holding his own and sounds like he wants to keep on keepin' on. This article might help you when it comes to making decisions about that possible torn ACL tear:

Conservative Management Alternative to Leg, Knee and Hip Surgeries for Tripawds

My vet thought I had a partial ACL tear once and all it took was some acupuncture and R&R to get back to normal. I have my paws crossed Guss has the same outcome.

That's pretty cool of you to learn how to do the injections. Good job!

 

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13 May 2013 - 10:54 pm
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I didn't take very good notes when I started quad pug Tani on adequan, but for reference during the loading phase I saw small, incremental improvement each week. By the end of the 4 week period she was a new pug. On the two week cycle we are on now I see real improvement the day after each injection. I gave her a shot yesterday and today she was doing stairs on her own. I don't like her to, but I can't always catch her. She usually won't try stairs during the second week after a shot. I guess my point is that now for Tani I see a difference the day after each shot, but during the loading phase it was a slow build to improvement. We started Tani on gaba at the same time we started the injections.
I'm sorry to hear about the knee. As far as knowing- you are so connected to Gus that you will know when he is done. Give the adequan time to build up, and try the other meds. Your description of how he is acting sounds like he is full of life. I hope the blood work shows improvement too.

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14 May 2013 - 10:13 am
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Hello Gus,

You sound like a real trooper, being very stoic in your journey. Hang in there buddy!

Our buddy, Tahoe, has hystiocytic sarcoma as well, and at 8 weeks post amp (front leg). He is a 9 1/2 golden retriever and on CCNU as well.  We too were looking for some alternative options as it was suggested we speak with Dr Charles Loops (Homeopathic Vet) who works primarily with canine cancer. We have been on daily remedies. Maybe you want to investigate that option as well.

 

As for movement, in/out of the vehicle, I use a folding ramp which works wonderful for Tahoe - no lifting at all.

Another product we have used for several months, either tablet or powder, for Tahoe's osteoarthritis is called "Recovery", made by Purica (www.purica.com). All natural products and Tahoe does very well on it, as many other dogs and horses we know of.  

 

I hope you all find some answers which will provide Gus the quality and quantity of life he deserves. If there is anything else I can offer, don't hesitate to PM me.

Stirling and Tahoe

"Tahoe" - Our Amazing Superman and Best Friend.

Dec. 01-03 to Aug. 19-14

Diagnosed with Periarticular Hystiocystic Sarcoma Feb 14-13; Amputation March 18-13, and diagnosed with STS April-14. Tahoe touched so many people while visiting us, leaving a massive void in our lives. Always Missed, Never Forgotten!!

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14 May 2013 - 1:26 pm
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Fight on!  I know he's "got this"!  I hope all meds help.  If it's his "ACL" and if it's a new injury, there may be swelling.  Is there?  You can help ease it with cool compresses, if it's a ver new injury.  If it's an "old" injury, use warmth.  Good luck with that bloodwork.  You're on the case and working hard for him.  That's all you can do!

Keep us posted.

~ Katy

ACL tear in right hind leg 12/5/12 and scheduled ACL repair surgery 12/21/12. Pre-op xrays revealed osteosarcoma. Amputation 12/28/12.  Chemo (carboplatin) started Jan 10, 2013 and ended on April 5, for a total of 5 doses. He handled carbo like a champ!  No side effects.  We started metronomic therapy at his third chemo and have been also doing some holistic treatments.  He's a lively, playful 10 year old huskie-boarder collie and a very proud member of the Winter Warriors!  Our love. Our funny little guy!

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22 May 2013 - 9:41 am
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Update: We began Gus's 3rd week of Adequan shots on Monday.  He's still struggling with the back leg so I took him to a vet that does alternative/holistic treatments.  She suggested we add Traumeel to help with the inflammation.  I haven't started it yet. She also said that he's losing muscle in the hind leg so we're doing some basic exercises to hopefully build it back up. 

 

I'm so sad right now.  After all he's been through, fighting a deadly cancer, to get derailed by a ligament issue doesn't seem fair. When we put our last dog to sleep, we knew it was time.  The light was gone from his eyes, he was suffering, etc.  With Gus, he's got a sore knee and seems perfectly content to let me basically carry him from place to place.  

 

I'm now looking at orthopedic braces that might provide stability in the bad knee but I haven't found one yet that doesn't require the other leg - at least one that doesn't cost $1,000+.  

 

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22 May 2013 - 10:31 am
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Sigh.  Oh darn.  Well, three weeks in sounds like a lot, but it may not be.  Does he put any weight on it?  Any at all?

Jackson partially tore his "ACL" in Oct 2012.  Then, he tore the whole thing in early Dec 2012.  We scheduled the "ACL" repair surgery, but it took about 3 weeks to get the appointment and let the swelling drop.  Within those three weeks, he went from being a tipawd (putting NO pressure on the torn ligament-leg) to prancing on it, delicately.  There was obvious atrophy in that leg.  It was the day of his ACL-repair surgery that they found cancer.  So, off went the leg with the torn ligament!  What a day....  So anyway, I guess I'm trying to relate to Gius' atrophy here.  Within 3 weeks, Jackson's atrophy was obvious, but he was also limping on his bum knee.  He probably used that knee about 10% of the time, but stil never using it completely.  It was there as a balance?  Is Gus really not moving at all?  Are you really carrying him anywhere he wants to go?  I'd be concerned that after all this time if his lack of movement was tied to something else or something instead of a torn ACL. 

Or....duh....recovering from an ACL tear for a tripawd is totally different than a quadpawd!  D'oh.  That must be it.  Poor guy.  Give him as more time?  I guess so long as you're OK carrying him where he needs to go and is still a pretty happy guy....he can stick around as long as he wants!  Try to focus on his happy, life-loving eyes and don't get too sad.  It's an awful situation he's in.  He's been struck plenty of bad deals.  But, he's got a momma who's there for him 200%!  That's pretty awesome.

~ Katy

ACL tear in right hind leg 12/5/12 and scheduled ACL repair surgery 12/21/12. Pre-op xrays revealed osteosarcoma. Amputation 12/28/12.  Chemo (carboplatin) started Jan 10, 2013 and ended on April 5, for a total of 5 doses. He handled carbo like a champ!  No side effects.  We started metronomic therapy at his third chemo and have been also doing some holistic treatments.  He's a lively, playful 10 year old huskie-boarder collie and a very proud member of the Winter Warriors!  Our love. Our funny little guy!

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22 May 2013 - 2:00 pm
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Hi Katy, 

 

Thanks for sharing.  I'm not literally carrying him - he's 90+ lbs! - but I'm bearing almost his full weight getting him up stairs, in/out of the car, up from a prone position, etc.

 

He's moving - but it's more of a 'scoot'.  He seems reluctant to extend his hind leg fully.  Some days are worse than others.  After talking to his vet, I've scrapped the brace idea.  I'm now searching for a harness that is offers greater support towards his pelvis - which is where he needs support.  His Ruffwear harness served us well, but it is more of an even distribution of weight so it's not as much help now. The Help Em Up Harness got a poor review here but I'm thinking of trying it and hope that they've ironed out some of the issues. 

 

BTW - While I wear many different hats in our household, I'm the Dad!

 

 

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22 May 2013 - 2:27 pm
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My apologies!  It's way more common for the moms to be here than dads.  I'm sorry.

Good luck with the harness!  I hope, I hope, I hope it helps.  When Gus is lying down, does he let you/can you extend his leg for him? 

~ Katy

ACL tear in right hind leg 12/5/12 and scheduled ACL repair surgery 12/21/12. Pre-op xrays revealed osteosarcoma. Amputation 12/28/12.  Chemo (carboplatin) started Jan 10, 2013 and ended on April 5, for a total of 5 doses. He handled carbo like a champ!  No side effects.  We started metronomic therapy at his third chemo and have been also doing some holistic treatments.  He's a lively, playful 10 year old huskie-boarder collie and a very proud member of the Winter Warriors!  Our love. Our funny little guy!

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22 May 2013 - 8:06 pm
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Max, hang in there, a recovery can take time. You are definitely on the best path there is for Gus, and I'm gonna bet the holistic practitioner can help him see improvement. Are you going to pursue acupuncture? It really has worked wonders for a lot of dogs in his situation.

If you do try the harness, please let us know how it goes. That review was a few years ago, we hope that it's improved by now because it's a great concept. We'd love your feedback.

Good luck and let us know how things are going OK?

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22 May 2013 - 8:51 pm
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Hi Max,

Gus' journey has sure had some ups and downs...sorry to hear the lastest news, however, I am sure glad you found this place, there is lots of support and advice from some GRRREAT people smiley

My advice...well, I work for an animal Chiropractor and we see many dogs with ACL tears, both partial and full, that opt not to do the surgery (either because of finances or age of the dog) and by keeping there structure in alignment can help rebuild strength.  We also have several clients that do Chiro in conjunction with Acupuncture that have had even more success, so if you have either or both of these options in your area it may be a good holistic option.

 

Here is some more info...

http://tailsawa.....chiro.html

http://tripawds.....r-newbies/

http://tripawds.....ctic-care/

 

The other thing I highly recommend is a product called Pet Tek Re-Gen Max...

http://www.pet-.....re-gen-max

...the liquid is the best because it goes through the system more quickly.  It has had amazing results and does not compromise their liver or kidney function!!!

Best of luck,

Teena

 

 

Roxy…Border Collie cross born on approximately October 27th, 2011;

Rescued in January 2012 by Oops a Dazy Rescue & Sanctuary;

Right hind leg amputated on January 20th, 2012 due to a severe spiral fracture;

Adopted on February 21st, 2012 by Teena, a devoted human & Charlee, a purebred BC.

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28 May 2013 - 12:31 pm
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Max, hang in there, a recovery can take time. You are definitely on the best path there is for Gus, and I'm gonna bet the holistic practitioner can help him see improvement. Are you going to pursue acupuncture? It really has worked wonders for a lot of dogs in his situation.

If you do try the harness, please let us know how it goes. That review was a few years ago, we hope that it's improved by now because it's a great concept. We'd love your feedback.

Good luck and let us know how things are going OK?

Okay, his new harness arrived on Saturday so we've only had a few days with it.  I will say that the customer support - thus far - has been great.  I had a question before I ordered it so I left them a VM.  I got a call back within 10-15 minutes.  Also, the harness arrived within 2 days of ordering.

 

Initial thoughts are very positive.  It doesn't have as much material as the Ruffwear which for a Bernese Mountain Dog facing a long (we hope!), hot summer, is great.  The rear harness attachment is the reason we got it and it works perfectly.  I'm able to go for short walks and provide support for his remaining hind leg but not too much where he isn't working it.  Hopefully, this will help him gradually build strength back up and 'stretch things out' a bit. It's also MUCH easier getting him up/down stairs, in and out of the car, etc.  Rather than basically dead-lifting 90 lbs, he supports himself on his front legs and I handle the much lighter load in the back.  

 

Obviously, it's way to early to opine on it's durability, but in terms of form and function, I think it's superior to the Ruffwear harness for large breed rear amputees.  Hopefully, it doesn't fall apart! 

 

He's still struggling but I kind of think that this will be his/our new reality regardless of meds/treatments. As my vet pointed out - herself a Berner-owner - even on 4-legs, a 9-year old Berner would probably rather lounge around/sleep than chase tennis balls.  So it this means that I have to take some of the weight off his back leg with the help of the harness, and our dog park days are over, so be it.  

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28 May 2013 - 12:40 pm
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Oooh thanks for letting us know about the Help Em Up. I would love to publish your feedback in our Gear blog , may I use your comments in a post? If yes, and you feel like sending a photo, we would love to include that too. Let me know!

Glad to hear he's getting around better. I TOTALLY agree with your vet (what a comfort to have a vet who share the same breed!).

Yeah, I know it's hard to make the adjustment to letting go of past activities. But try to remember, it's not about what you lose when you ditch that bum leg, but about all of the other special times you gain when you find new things to do together. I know you and Gus will enjoy lots of them!

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28 May 2013 - 4:29 pm
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I just wanted to jump in quickly and say hi!

Our Porthos also had other physical problems as well as his amputation (hip dysplasia, mild elbow dysplasia and had TPLO surgery on bot knees)

I did have him on allot of natural things like ginger and rosehip, I will go back and look at his protocal to see if there was anything else we were doing and get back to you.

We also had the 'Help em up' harness and it was amazing, especially when he started to struggle with mobility towards the end, we could literally pick him completely up of the floor if we had too.

I have to pop out now but when I get home I will go through Porthos' protocal, I just wanted to say hi! and to tell you hang in there, you will know when its time and it sounds like gorgeous Gus is still happy.

Amanda and Angel Porthos.

 

Angel Porthos, Pyrenean Mastiff, 7 years old Os front right leg, DX 18 May 2012, Amputation 14 June 2012, Hip Dysplasia, Two TPLO surgeries. Is now somewhere over the rainbow, 21 November 2013.

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