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Needing some advice for my Jack Russell
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19 September 2011 - 7:07 pm
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Thank you for that link Shari! We are going to Ohio State University.

I am a little confused on the differences between chemo and radiation, and which reaps better benefits, if one does over the other. Hopefully some people have some personal opinions/experiences. I don't want to make my little guy miserable if it is cancer. I am still praying it is not cancer, but unfortunately my gut is preparing me for the worst. crying

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19 September 2011 - 7:23 pm
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There are all types of cancer, and there are no guarantees for anything. I haven't been here but 7 months and already seen dogs given a few months to live celebrating 3 years cancer-free. I've also seen a couple of dogs who've been lost to odd things that had nothing to do with cancer. I've seen several who didn't make it but a few months. And I've seen one die during surgery and another (dear Gracie) lost during the night, hours after her surgery. No guarantees.

But I've also never seen anyone here say they regretted their decision, even the ones whose outcomes were not good. Most people believe that taking away the pain of the cancer is the right thing to do. I'm sure there are people who come here and look around and then go away and decide to euthanize their dog, and we never know about them. For some people and some dogs, it's the right thing to do.

This site is nothing but success stories, even the ones whose success only lasted a very short time. And nobody here judges. Everyone here is or has been broke, juggling family and work, and sleep deprived. And probably a little nutty.  If not this month, maybe the last. Or the next. If there is an independently wealthy billionaire who has a hired dog nanny, he's not posting. We get it.

As for radiation versus chemo, my primitive understanding is that chemo keeps cancer cells at bay as best it can while radiation is mostly to shrink tumors pre-operatively and/or provide pain relief. I also believe that in bone cancer, radiation predisposes bones to fracture. Someone who knows what they're talking about please correct me here.

Anyway, Mandy--as I said, we've been there and we get it. There are dogs here who shouldn't be, and others that should be who are gone. No expiration date, no guarantee. But that goes for humans, too. Whatever you decide in terms of treatment, you will be supported here 100%.

Shari

From abandoned puppy to Tripawd Warrior Dude, Dakota became one of the 2011 February Furballs due to STS. Our incredibly sweet friend lived with grace and dignity till he impulsively raced over the Bridge on 12-15-12.

Dakota's thoughtful and erudite blog is at http://shari.tr.....pawds.com/

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19 September 2011 - 7:36 pm
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Hi Mandy,

First off.... IF Max has a cancer tumor and IF amputation will relieve his pain and maybe solve the problem he will probably be just fine as a tripawd.  He is small and looking at losing a back leg (right? I think you talked about a ACL).  My pug Maggie also lost her left rear leg.  Maggie WAS NOT an adaptable pug, and I worried about how she would cope.  She took longer than most to come back to herself,  but she eventually did just fine.  You can read her story and the information on her amputation and chemo treatments in her blog.  The link is in my signature box below- there are a few tabs in her blog.

As far as radiation vs chemo- its not usually a choice between the two. My rudimentary explanation is that  Chemo is more of a whole body treatment, and radiation is targeted.  If Max has a tumor that can't be removed they may recommend rad to shrink the tumor.  Chemo may be added to clean up any cancer cells wandering in the body.

Maggie had a mast cell tumor in her knee (her first cancer).  One of the recommendations was radiation therapy.  I would not do rad therapy for Maggie for a couple of reasons.  The most important one was that she would need to be anesthetized each time (I can't remember how many treatments were proposed, but a lot).  As a short faced dog she had always had trouble with anesthetic, and had trouble coming out of it.  I was worried that one time she wouldn't wake up. Turns out that our only option was amputation.  We did do chemo- you can read about it in her blog.  She tolerated it pretty well.  Our oncologist was looking for life quality- Mag was not expected to make it at that point more than 6 to 9 months.

You have a lot to deal with right now- try and stay calm until you have a diagnosis.   I know, I know, MUCH easier said than done!  For me it was an acquired skill that really served me well as Maggie aged and had lots of medical complications.

I'll be watching for tomorrow's update after the MRI.

 

Karen and the pugapalooza

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19 September 2011 - 8:55 pm
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FYI...

Here is the correct link to the discussion dakota dawg posted about what members paid for amputation and chemotherapy.

Chemotherapy is an intravenous drug treatment while radiation is a targeted treatment as Karen mentioned. Here is a chemotherapy treatment video with some good info about side effects, and here is an post from our visit to Colorado State University discussion Stereotactic Radiosurgery (radiation treatment).

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21 September 2011 - 7:24 am
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Thank you all so much for your responses. We got the unfortunate call yesterday that it is indeed cancer; a mass was found on the left side of his spine, applying pressure to the left of his rear spine and nerves.  The only part of his body that is affected is his left rear leg. What type of tumor they aren't sure, but most likely a nerve sheath tumor. His lungs, blood work, etc. all came back clear. They said this tumor most likely will not spread elsewhere. We were given the option of amputation, but with the location of his tumor, it would require taking his leg, part of his pelvis, and part of his spine – with no guarantees. Something we were not comfortable doing. They recommended a more aggressive type of radiation, 5 days a week for 4 weeks. However, that would require anesthesia five days a week… I just don't feel comfortable doing that to him, that is not much of a life at all. Our other option is a less aggressive form of radiation, only once a week for four weeks, but with less results. They said usually that will just shrink the tumor, suppressing pain and somewhat pro-longing life. They've given him the grim amount of only a few months left… the most difficult part is this cancer won't take his life, we will have to decide when the pain has become too much to put him down. Everyone says their dogs just let them know. I hope so. I can't even imagine putting down a dog who is still completely happy. As of now, he will be on Prednisone twice a day, and Gabapentin three times a day to try to control his pain. So far, the Gabapentin alone is working miracles. No shaking, and he's absolutely relaxed. And this is without Prednisone, so we're praying he may live pain-free for awhile and beat the odds. We aren't sure if we're wanting to consider the radiation, atleast not yet. As of right now he is going to be living the life, doing what he wants, eating what he wants, going where he wants, etc. We go back in two weeks to see how he's doing on his current amount of the meds. The only thing that made me uncomfortable is that they performed a spinal tap, when the neurologist said that they'd only do that if the MRI came back clear... any idea why?

Thank you all for your support and advice for Max, it is so appreciated!

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21 September 2011 - 7:37 am
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we're sorry the diagnosis leaves you with such lousy options.  but, you have max's best interests at heart and you are focused on giving him the best quality of life with the time he has left..you are doing good by your boy.  our experience has been that you will know 'when', if you really focus on max and what he's telling you.  as someone else has said in a prior topic, we personally believe it is more selfless to let them go a day early, than to let them go a day too late....  you'll know.   as for the spinal tap, we don't have a clue.  hugs to little max.

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21 September 2011 - 7:52 am
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Such crappy news. I'm so sorry. I don't know about the spinal tap, either. It sounds like you are still considering the less-aggressive radiation. If you wait too long to begin it, will the tumor grow and be even bigger? If you start radiation now, will you have a better chance of shrinking it? I don't know, was just wondering.

I guess the good news is that Max has pain relief that is actually relieving pain! I hope and pray that is the case for a good, long while.

Shari

From abandoned puppy to Tripawd Warrior Dude, Dakota became one of the 2011 February Furballs due to STS. Our incredibly sweet friend lived with grace and dignity till he impulsively raced over the Bridge on 12-15-12.

Dakota's thoughtful and erudite blog is at http://shari.tr.....pawds.com/

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21 September 2011 - 8:11 am
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Charon – Yes, lousy options indeed. frown The neurologist had such a peppy voice when she called I was expecting good news. crying Thank you for your support, we are absolutely going for quality of his life… he's been nothing but our absolute best friend and he deserves the world! It's just so difficult, because I feel like it will be so hard to just know when… he's so young and full of life, I feel like I will always regret the decision when it comes. But of course it is all up to him, and making sure he is happy for as long as he wants to be here.

Shari – thank you so much. We are definitely leaning towards the less-aggressive, if we do decide to do the radiation. The tumor he has, if it is the top two they are considering, are both very slow growing. However, that also means they can be slow to react to radiation. She said we will have some time to see how he responds to steroids, which she said usually shows how well a dog will respond to radiation. As for if we start it now will it be a better chance, we aren't sure yet. We still need to call and chat with the oncologist, so far we've only heard from what he's told the neurologist. But yes, the Gabapentin seems to thankfully be helping, except it seems to zonk him out a bit! But better to be a bit drowsy than to be in pain. Thank you for your prayers!

The hardest part about all of this, is even when I'm smiling during the happy moments with him, in the back of my head I can't help but think "how much longer will I have these moments?"… it is absolutely heartbreaking. crying

- Mandy and Max

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21 September 2011 - 9:16 am
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Sorry to hear you got this devastating news. It is very hard to get that "how much longer?" voice out of the back of your head, but then... none of us really know how much longer we have, so we all have to try to focus on making today the best day possible, like our sweet pups try to teach us to do. I know that's easier said than done, but it sounds like you are on a good start with that - determined to give him the best possible time in the days ahead.

I hope the meds continue to help with controlling his pain and that the oncologist will have some encouraging news about the less-aggressive radiation option.

All the best; hang in there,
Jackie, Abby's mom

Abby: Aug 1, 2009 – Jan 10, 2012. Our beautiful rescue pup lived LARGE with osteosarcoma for 15 months – half her way-too-short life. I think our "halflistic" approach (mixing traditional meds + supplements) helped her thrive. (PM me for details. I'm happy to help.) She had lung mets for over a year. They took her from us in the end, but they cannot take her spirit! She will live forever in our hearts. She loved the beach and giving kisses and going to In-N-Out for a Flying Dutchman. Tripawds blog, and a more detailed blog here. Please also check out my novel, What the Dog Ate. Now also in paperback! Purchase it at Amazon via Tripawds and help support Tripawds!

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21 September 2011 - 10:02 am
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Oh no.  This is crushing news, just crushing! I so wanted to click in and see good news.  I'm just so very, very sorry.  I feel even worse for getting your hopes up it could a disc issue.

 

I'll keep my fingers crossed the steroids work well. 

 

I'm just so very sorry.  Give little Max an extra hug from us over here in Cometland.

Her Retired AvatarComet - 1999 to 2011

She departed us unexpectedly  January 23, 2011 at the age of 12 1/2.

She was born with a deformed front leg and a tripawd all of her life.

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21 September 2011 - 11:07 am
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Dear Mandy and Max

So sorry for such bad news. I too was hoping for no cancer when I clicked on the thread. It's good the medications are so effective. You have a wonderful community to be here for you!

Our thoughts and love are with you,

Joanne, Lylee's Mum

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21 September 2011 - 4:41 pm
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Mandy,

Well this is the worst outcome- I was so hoping for a better report.

I know it is really hard- but you need to stay in the now and focus on Max.  I think we all wander into the 'what happens when...' mindset once in awhile.  But you need to take care of Max now and build all the memories you can.  Remember- he doesn't know he is sick, he doesn't know what the big C is!  He will continue to live his dog life one day at a time like he always has.

The second part of my cancer journey with Maggie involved another type of cancer, a melanoma tumor in her mouth.  For several reasons the tumor was not treatable.  I can relate to the feeling of not having options- and being pretty sure what the outcome would be.  I learned from Maggie to stay in the moment- not look too far ahead.  Stay optimistic until there is a definitive reason not to be. We had good times together until the pain from the tumor became too much.

I hope you feel welcome to stay here while you are on this cancer journey with Max.  There is no better community to provide support because  we know what you are going through, and the path you are on.

 

Karen and the pugapalooza

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18 October 2011 - 4:30 pm
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I cannot thank you all enough for your support and kind words, they mean so much! I'm sorry for not posting for so long, life has been busy and we've been keeping Max busy! smile

 

I am so happy to say that Max is doing wonderfully! The doctor gave him a grim diagnosis of a month or two. It is just shy of a month and he is back to his old self, just with one paralyzed leg! You bet he doesn't let that hold him back, though. He'll still give any squirrel a run for his money! Really though, he doesn't even look like he has cancer anymore. He's putting more weight back on, eating constantly, and sleeping fine! No signs of pain whatsoever! I never thought I'd be able to say this, but he really is back to him old self. It's almost as if those terrible weeks never happened. big-grin So thankful for the wonders Gabapentin and Prednisone have done! Here's to hoping it stays this way!!!

Here's some pictures of him!

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http://i54.tinypic.com/if8l5x.jpg

 

- Mandy and Max laugh

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18 October 2011 - 5:02 pm
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Great to hear from you, and WOW what a wonderful update on Max!!

No need to apologize for spending time with Max instead of posting either- there is never enough time to do everything you want to do, and building memories with Max should be on top of your list for now.

 

So thankful for the wonders Gabapentin and Prednisone have done!

 

Better living through chemistry   big-grin

I hope Max keeps bringing you joy for a long time to come.

 

Karen and the pugapalooza

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18 October 2011 - 5:22 pm
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We love good news! And we love love love cute pics of happy doggies! And that definitely looks like a pain free happy pup!

thanks for the update and give him some extra lovin' from Abby and me,
Jackie, Abby's mom

Abby: Aug 1, 2009 – Jan 10, 2012. Our beautiful rescue pup lived LARGE with osteosarcoma for 15 months – half her way-too-short life. I think our "halflistic" approach (mixing traditional meds + supplements) helped her thrive. (PM me for details. I'm happy to help.) She had lung mets for over a year. They took her from us in the end, but they cannot take her spirit! She will live forever in our hearts. She loved the beach and giving kisses and going to In-N-Out for a Flying Dutchman. Tripawds blog, and a more detailed blog here. Please also check out my novel, What the Dog Ate. Now also in paperback! Purchase it at Amazon via Tripawds and help support Tripawds!

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