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Symptoms of Lung Mets?
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Calgary, AB
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2 May 2010 - 9:55 am
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Can anyone give me some ideas of the symptoms their dogs had with lung mets? I hope I am overreacting, as we cancer pawrents are prone to do. First some background...

Yesterday I parked my car, with Tai in it, next to a car with another dog. For some reason they took an instant dislike to one another and, through half opened windows, let each other have a good dose of growling and very ferocious barking. Shortly after the "fight" was toned down Tai started hacking and coughing to the extent that she made herself sick. This sporadic gagging/hacking/coughing continued all the way home for 20 mins. She then ate her dinner like a champ, went for a paddle, slept on the sofa and did all the normal things with no further noises. This morning she hacked a few times before breakfast then nothing. I wetted her food and she ate great. She is not panting or having obvious trouble breathing and before yesterday's "woof-down" was fine.

I wonder if she stressed her lungs a bit yesterday with being so vocal - kind of like how I feel after doing more intense cardio than I really should and then coughing for several hours after. She is not scheduled for lung xrays for another couple of weeks so to avoid a trip to the vet does anyone have any suggestions?

She is quite happily sleeping in the sun right now with really slow rhythmic breathing but perhaps that's normal even with lung mets?

I hope I'm just being paranoid but if I need a dose of reality I'm ready to hear it...well sort of. confused

 

Laura 

Tai – 9 yr old lab. Diagnosed Osteosarcoma Dec 18/09. Front right leg amputated Dec 21/09. Started chemo Jan 7/10. Lung mets discovered Sept 16/10. Valiant to the end on Oct 26/10 when cancer reappeared in a leg and we made the decision to set her free. Forever in my heart where not even cancer can take her from me.

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2 May 2010 - 10:35 am
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Laura and Tai,

Sorry to hear of the incident and the problems with coughing. I never did do any follow-up x-rays to determine the state of Miss Cherry's lungs after the last chemotherapy treatment. Hopefully, you will get a response soon from others that did do the follow-ups and they can tell you more specifically to the symptoms you may see and what, if anything, can be done. We just wanted to voice support to what I know is a very scary/worrysome status. I will point you back to Nova's postings in January, February, and again in March. At least one of those involved extreme coughing and as we know, not only is Nova still with us, but recent xrays have shown no lung mets. We will pray that yours will be the same sort of situation.

Sending Pawsitive Thought, Prayers and Huggs,

Spirit Cherry's Dad

 

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2 May 2010 - 11:40 am
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tai09 said:

I hope I'm just being paranoid but if I need a dose of reality I'm ready to hear it...


 

It's perfectly normal to panic at the first sound of any sort of cough coming from our cancer pups. But usually, there is no real cause for concern. We freaked out when Jerry started panting heavily, and it just tout to be the heat. Later when he started wheezing, it was most likely allergies. When his lung mets finally started to affect his quality of life, the "cough" was much more of a deep wet hack often resulting in something he would chew and swallow. Others have decribed bloody spit-up.

Another sign of discomfort from advanced mets is irritability after laying on one side for a long time. Jerry would often get up from a nap breathing heavily, then pace around a bit before lying back down on the other side. This was due to his large mets on one side pressing on his windpipe.

When the time comes, you might consider reviewing Jerry's notes about What To Expect Next with advanced canine cancer care.

PS: Are you posting from your home computer now? We replied to your second email but haven't heard back, and want to make sure you can access the site without trouble. Email or send a PM to let us know if you're still having problems connecting.

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3 May 2010 - 8:08 pm
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I hesitate to chime in, because Yoda's experience seemed a little out of the ordinary, so I don't know how helpful it would be... 

I was actually told not to expect a cough first at all, but rather lethargy, by Yoda's oncologist (though I'm not sure I've seen anyone share that experience here either).  Yoda's mets were discovered because of a cough, though and it didn't seem serious.  I didn't observe other symptoms and wouldn't for quite a while.  But Yoda was in for his chemo a couple days after the occasional cough started and so they x-rayed just in case.  Everyone was pretty surprised that there were three smallish mets.  Could almost have been a coincidence and the cough was something else, because it was gone a few days later.  Then the cough only returned and, was significantly worse, when Yoda had problems with his mets rupturing and his lungs filling with fluid.  Thankfully I haven't seen too many posts on met ruptures.  Not pleasant.  If you're worried and there is action you'd want to take with Tai's treatment, if mets have in fact developed, maybe it's worth going in to check.  It's a tough call.  If you trust your vet, maybe you could get an opinion over the phone, especially if you don't know yet what options you have if mets have developed.

Sorry that my answer seems to be, there aren't clear indicators of lung mets, which I know is totally frustrating.  Yoda's cough could have been something else entirely and he was supposed to get lethargic, but didn't until way close to the end.  And, as always, it probably varies from dog to dog.  I do think though, as general advice, as I look back, I might have benefited from chatting with Yoda's oncologist about what options she would suggest, if/when lung mets occurred ahead of time.  That way, you can think about it before you're hit with the overwhelming news that mets have appeared, during which time it's hard to process anything else.

I'll be thinking of Tai and praying that she doesn't need my prayers in the least big-grin  No matter what course you take, commit to quality time with Tai and limit the amount of time you let yourself worry!

Yoda&Mom united: 9/5/06 …….… Yoda&Leg separated: 6/5/09……… Yoda&Leg reunited: 10/14/09 ……… ……………….………….………….……. Yoda&Mom NEVER separated! …………………….….……....….…… Though Spirit Yoda currently free-lances as a rabbit hunting instructor for tripawds nationwide

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4 May 2010 - 2:43 pm
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Laura and Tai,

I'm not sure if those are symptoms that you have to worry about or not. I guess if she's feeling good otherwise and eating her food and all, I wouldn't be too concerned about seeing the vet earlier than your next appt. But if she does start loosing her appetite, hacking out blood or has problems breathing and her gums become pale, well that's another story. It also depends on whether you have decided to do anything about it if she does have lung mets. Many tripawds have lived several more happy months after their lung mets were diagnosed, while others began another chemo therapy. You can always call your vet if you're worried. But I really hope it's nothing and Tai continues to do well...

Angel Jake's Mom

Jake, 10yr old golden retriever (fractured his front right leg on 9/1, bone biopsy revealed osteosarcoma on 9/10, amputation on 9/17) and his family Marguerite, Jacques and Wolfie, 5yr old german shepherd and the newest addition to the family, Nala, a 7mth old Bengal mix kittie. Jake lost his battle on 11/9/2009, almost 8 weeks after his surgery. We will never forget our sweet golden angel… http://jakesjou.....ipawds.com ….. CANCER SUCKS!

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6 May 2010 - 9:38 pm
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Thanks to everyone for the words of wisdom. We did Tai's "month after chemo check" today which included chest xrays. YAY!!!!!! All clear on the lungs and excellent bloodwork. Such a happy day!!!!! big-grin  Waiting for the full urinalysis report, due to the cytoxan Tai gets regular urinalysis, but preliminary results look good. Next check in a month if all stays going well.

Thanks again for the support when I needed it. big-grin

Laura and Tai Dog

Tai – 9 yr old lab. Diagnosed Osteosarcoma Dec 18/09. Front right leg amputated Dec 21/09. Started chemo Jan 7/10. Lung mets discovered Sept 16/10. Valiant to the end on Oct 26/10 when cancer reappeared in a leg and we made the decision to set her free. Forever in my heart where not even cancer can take her from me.

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6 May 2010 - 11:39 pm
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Hey Laura and Tai Dog

Glad to hear your great news! What a relief!

You mention Cytoxan. So are you on metronomics rather than high dose chemo? I guess I forgot.

Have a great week, Tai Dog. Have you been swimming yet? Oh yes, I forgot. The Alberta weather sucks these days. Come to Winnipeg to find a warm shining sun! laughing

T.

p.s. I just noticed Jerry's Dad's rather graphic description of Jerry's symptoms when
he had lung mets, above . . .  "deep wet hack", "chew and swallow". OMD. HaHa. Even though it is quite the memorable literary piece, I won't quote all of it just in case any of you readers happened to just eat breakfast.

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Great news for Tai.  I know that took a load off your mind.  It is so very difficult to not worry about anything that seems a little 'off' when living with a cancer dog.  I think that news calls for a celebratory treat!

Shanna & Spirit Trouble ~ Trouble gained her wings 3/16/2011, a 27 1/2 month cancer survivor, tail wagging. RIP sweetheart, you are my heart and soul.  Run free at Rainbow Bridge.
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7 May 2010 - 8:27 am
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I'm so glad to read of Tai's excellent report!  Yay!  Off to get the treats ...

Amputation on 11/10/09, due to Histiocytic Sarcoma in left elbow. Angel Harley earned his wings on 06/24/10.

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7 May 2010 - 8:28 am
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great new avatar, Hopalong!

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Tazzie said:

great new avatar, Hopalong!


Thanks!  Figured with 6months rapidly approaching, it was time for a change ... and what better than him playing in the snow he so loves?  

Amputation on 11/10/09, due to Histiocytic Sarcoma in left elbow. Angel Harley earned his wings on 06/24/10.

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7 May 2010 - 2:13 pm
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That's excellent news Tai and Laura!   I'm so glad it was a false alarm!  Darned allergies!  When Comet's nose is stopped up she breathes like a drunken sailor passed out!  big-blink  

Her Retired AvatarComet - 1999 to 2011

She departed us unexpectedly  January 23, 2011 at the age of 12 1/2.

She was born with a deformed front leg and a tripawd all of her life.

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7 May 2010 - 3:45 pm
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That's great news about Tai! Excellent!! You must be so relieved!  You mention that Tai is on Cytoxin and that you're doing a urinalysis.   Is the urinalysis part of the routine check up every month? Just curious, Mackenize is on Cytoxin too and she was also prescribed a diuretic (begins with an L Lasix?- forget the name) to help prevent UTI's.  We have to do blood work every month but haven't been told about doing a urinalysis - I'm assuming only if she seems symptomatic? (she had a UTI recently and she showed no symptoms so you got me.) Anyway, keeping up with all of this sure can be confusing...way-confused.

Again, congratulations on your news! It sure is a happy day!

Kami (Mackenzie's Mom)

 

 

 

 

 

My sweet golden Mackenzie.  She became my angel on Dec 29, 2010 at the age of 8 1/2  although she was always my angel from the time we brought her home.  She was diagnosed with osteosarcoma in Sept 2009 and officially became a tripawd (front leg) on Nov 5, 2009.  She will be forever in my heart and now she's running free with all of our other tripawd heroes.  I love you Mackenzie!

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7 May 2010 - 6:10 pm
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Oh Tai, this is such great news!

I can't tell you how many times my pawrents worried that any odd behavior was related to lung mets, when it was just....odd!

So so hoppy that Tai is met-free. Yeay!

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Laura and Tai,

Some of us are just slow to get back to the computer and in June it will be worse. However, we are just a thrilled as possible to hear of your great check-up. I am not going to tell you not to worry over these type of incidents, because we all know how impossible it was for any of us. I will tell you to share a hug between the two of you from us, enjoy this day for the grandure of being together, and ride these highs just as far as you can. Above all, I would say that you both did great during this "scare". Always keep your head about you, take as detailed notes as possible, seek any common experience from this community, then talk to Tai's care giver with all this in hand.

I think that a mini (or maxi) PAWRTY would be called for under the circumstances. Sending Pawsitive Thoughts.

Spirit Cherry's Dad

 

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