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Mast Cell Cancer Diagnosis for Cosmo the Maltese
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20 April 2016 - 4:31 am
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Sorry, meant I am now using it, not I am not using it.

Otis - 106 pound lab/Dane mix, lost his right front leg to osteosarcoma on Febuary 9, 2016.  Four rounds of carboplatin completed in April, 2016.  Lung mets August 25, 2016.  Said goodbye too soon on September 4, 2016.   Lost his adopted sister, Tess, suddenly on October 9, 2016. likely due to hemangiosarcoma.  

Wherever they are, they are together.

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I'm trying my best to take a chill pill and just relax, not just for me but for Cosmo! But it seems all I'm doing is research and looking up things. My mind feels like it's going 100 miles a minute. I'm going today for his chest X-rays at his local vet and going to ask about the Benadryl and pepcid after that he's sending me to another clinic which offers the ultra sound of his organs where Cosmos vet does not. Where I live in Ky is very secluded and a small area. They don't really offer much around here. So I have to drive pretty far for anything. Which means longer drives for Cosmo which he HATES. He panics in car rides, worse since he had his dental (12 teeth removed) which was this past December and his tumor removal April 5.

   Much love to all of you and your fur babies ❤️❤️❤️

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20 April 2016 - 9:31 am
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I know it doesn't feel like it, but you're making progress. You and Cosmo have been through a lot these past few months. Adding to the emotional stress are the long car rides that he hates. Like all of us, all this research can drive you crazy and makes things clear as mud. Take a break from all that research for a day or two. Jist enjoy being with Cosmo...brushing him..taking a walk outside..tummy rubs and treats! Sometimes it allmboils down to listening to your "intuition" and listening to Cosmo.

We understand.

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Sally and Alumni Happy Hannah and Merry Myrtle and Frankie too!

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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20 April 2016 - 9:55 am
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Probably a silly suggestion, but after Otis' amputation I kept a log book of all the meds, when he ate, peed, pooped, etc.

No- that is an excellent suggestion!  I did that with Maggie all through her chemo treatments.  I had all her meds listed and when she got them and any reactions, her apatite, her temperature, etc.  Great idea to add the vet questions!

Which means longer drives for Cosmo which he HATES. He panics in car rides

This is definitely something to consider when deciding on your path forward. It's all about life quality for Cosmo!

When you are first faced with the cancer diagnosis in your pup its so overwhelming. It never occurred to me that dogs get cancer before Maggie's first tumor. Then six months later with the second tumor I was told that amputation was the best option...I was not at all prepared to make that decision.  How can that even be an option!?!? 

All of us here got though it and you will too!

Keep us posted on the test results.

Karen and the Spirit Pug Girls

Tri-pug Maggie survived a 4.5 year mast cell cancer battle only to be lost to oral melanoma.

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              Maggie's Story                  Amputation and Chemo

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Just got back home from X-rays. Which was pretty tough on him considering he panted and hyperventilated the whole way/ shivered. It was a 45 min drive. The X-rays were great didn't see any masses and he done an all around view with X-rays. Both sides, back & belly. I spoke with him about options and what he's seen in his clinic and he said he has seen it go both ways, he has removed tumors from the toe and them not come back and has also removed them and they were back in two months or so. He said even with an amputation it still a gambling game. They can show up anywhere. It's all about keeping Cosmo happy and if he don't like car rides and if I don't want to spend his life weather it be 1 month to 5 years dragging him in and out of appointments and car rides is up to me. So I went forth and ask. Dr, if it was your dog what would u do? He said he would not do a leg amputation bc he wouldn't want to put his dog thru that not knowing if he's still only going to live 6-9 months or so. It has really made my mind shift on weather. Leg amp is best. But like he said as well as many of u that has told me if it comes back, it's worse. So Idk what to do. My family says let him live his life the way he is, let Cosmo enjoy being Cosmo. But then again those beautiful brown eyes look at me and it breaks my heart to feel like I'm just going to let it go. But then again amp his leg I feel like it will slow him down a lot and he will get depressed. So what's best? That idk.. What am I going to do?? That I don't know.. All I know is I'm going to give it a week and just pray God put the right people in my life to help give me direction of what needs to be done. And as of today he is on pepsid and Benadryl daily for the rest of his life. And the good news about his X-rays makes me feel good too. But my question is, if we play the waiting game even tho the tumor is gone can it still spread to his lymph nodes or organs? I'm a mess, I know and maybe I think to much but I feel like my world is crashing down. All I want is for him to be happy and not have a care in the world. But it scares me to death to lose my best friend. As in sure all of you felt the same way. I've already changed his diet from doing research online to boiled chicken, turkey, turkey meat, liver, he loves yellow peppers and red peppers etc. I plan on buying some samples of the honest kitchen to see if he likes it and trying the k9 immunity plus too. Is there any other supplements or things I need to be doing?

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20 April 2016 - 2:48 pm
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I think you've answered a lot of your own questions in your post.  He hates the car rides, the tumor is gone for now, vet agrees amp right now might not be the best thing.  I'm not familiar with mast cell cancer, but isn't there a chance it won't come back with the low index?  Maybe for now just keep an eye on things and any lumps or bumps that crop up have them checked out right away if anything does show up.  I'm sure Karen will be here shortly with all her knowledge and experience and will be able to offer more having lived through it experience. If it does come back then amputation is still an option right?  Cosmos quality of life is the most important thing and only you and he can make this decision.  Your decision to take a week and weigh all your options is a wise move.   Very happy all Cosmos X-rays came back good!  One question I do have is have you consulted with an oncologist?  If not maybe a second opinion from an oncologist would help guide you.  Just throwing that out there.  Remember you know Cosmo best, make your decision based on the love you have for him and you will know it's the right one.

Much love and hugs((())))

Linda, Riley & Spirits Ollie & Mighty Max

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yes he seen the MedVet oncologist in lexington ky this past monday. she just went over with me what a mast cell tumor was and they produce, he pathology report and treatment for him which was radiation, amputation, chemo, and watchful waiting. Radiation included 19 rounds five days a week for 4 weeks and would be at a farther location which was almost 5 hours away and would be $6000 and with him not likeing to travel and the cost of the treatments wasnt really ideal for me espically her saying he will lose his paw pad and nails and have what looks like burns on him. Then she said the next route would be amputation. see where it was between the two toes they couldnt get clean margins all they got out was the tumor itself or they would have to take two toes and he couldnt walk like that so therefore it would be a complete leg amp. next on the list is chemo, then watchful waiting. Today when i spoke with my local vet he stated that cancer in itself is nasty and noone wants to hear the C word. with that being said even with leg amp he still may have pop ups of tumors again. without the amp theres a chance the tumor may come back and if it does it will be more aggressive. he did mention chemo too saying that all it does is buy time and shrink it and hes seen some animals have nasty side effects and they cancer still defeat the animal after chemo. So which left me with nothing besides complete lose of words as to what im going to do. its all sounds like i will feel liek a failure to my baby. I do not want to let him down. He ask me , Is cosmo happy? i said yes very, other than traveling so much to doctors since december. Other than that hes a spunky little guy that rules the roost!

I ahev a quick question for anyone who has used the k9 immunity, is it all just capsules? is there different ones? If so which is the best?

Im also going to try the honest kitchen dog food for his new diet. any advice on that? (Flavors)

Should i be giving  him any other things such as supplements?

Whats some of the things yall have done on your own as far as diets, Supplements maybe even holistic vet? remedies? Anything??

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20 April 2016 - 3:38 pm
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No wonder you don't know what to do.  Hopefully Karen can give some more good insight.  Maybe it will boil down to which treatment plan will you be able to second guess yourself the least with.  We used both apocaps and k9 immunity.  If I remember k9 immunity are chewable and based on the weight of your dog.  Sure couldn't hurt to try to boost his immunity and maybe a consult with a holistic vet too.  A lot of people use this in addition to their vet treatment plan.  Please do keep us posted.  

Linda, Riley & Spirits Ollie & Mighty Max

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20 April 2016 - 3:54 pm
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I feel like my honest options in my head is Amp, Chemo or see if it comes back and if so then amp. Which idk much about chemo or how costly it will be, all ive been told is it can blow up in your face and that it just shrinks the cells and that they have seen dogs get really sick with it. The last two days i felt like amp was the best but after talking with cosmos vet and him saying if it were his dog he wouldnt put it through all of that and just keep him ona  good diet and supplements. But i couldnt live with myself if i didnt amp and it came back on the toe more aggressive, even tho i can still amp the leg if it came back the second time. Or put him through chemo and it still come back and him stay sick or watch and see what happens and get him on a good diet and supplements, no wonder people feel so confused with what to do with any kind of cancer. What would yall do? I understand yall say whats best for cosmo and make sure he has a happy life. But let me know what u would do? &b hopefully karen will get in touch with me and give me some information and help me some. & if any of you would want to contact me via email that is fine with me & actually i would love that. my email is marleymaynard@yahoo.com

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20 April 2016 - 4:16 pm
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You are dealing with a lot of information here, no wonder you feel so overwhelmed. First, decide on the biggest steps, then research your nutrition options. You have so much coming at you right now, slow down, that stuff can wait.

When it comes to others' thoughts about what they would do, you have to remember, they don't know YOUR dog, your life, your circumstances. Vet or not, it's unfair (and inappropriate according to Dr. Patty Khuly) for anyone to offer that kind of advice when they don't know you and Cosmo as well as you know yourselves.

Make a list of pros and cons. Carefully consider each one. Promise yourself you won't make any more decisions until you make the first big one. Whatever you decide you will know that you are NOT a failure because you are making an educated, compassionate decision for Cosmo.

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20 April 2016 - 4:28 pm
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thats a great idea. Ill do that ASAP. As soon as im good and calm and thinking clearly... Thanks Jerry! Id still like for some people to give me some feedback on the supplements like k9 immunity or others. Anything that will help him and boost his immune system..

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20 April 2016 - 4:46 pm
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OAww Marley! I KNOW all this is so daunting!! E v en though it doesn't feel good, this turmoil is soooo normal. We've all been through it.

Okay, I'm gonna chunk a few things down for you based on our previous conversation and based on your ppsts. Oh, and as far as The Honest Kitchen suggestion, if I recall, I actually emailed their customer service link and asked the best option considering Happy Hannah's circumstances...grain fee...osteosarcoma, etc.

Yes, the K9 Immunity I had for Happy Hannah were the chewable kind. Appcaps were capaule "shaped" if I recall. Everything may look entirely different as this was over twonyears ago, plus I was ordering "sizes" based on 125 lb dog!

Now, here we go! Just for this "practice" eliminate the opinions of vets for the moment as far as amputation. I say this because you basically have two different views. Not uncommon at all! To me, based on this most recent post especially, it boils down to you knowing you and you knowing Cosmo best! It's not for your vet ro decide. I'll just add that an Onco is more up to speed on chemo etc and in most cases, certainly not all, there are very few side effects.

1. You know Cosmo gets really stressed in the car and for vet visits. That, along with other "issues" with radiation takes that off the table.

2. Now it's down to two. Amputate now, or take a wait and see approach KNOWING there are NO guarantees either way! And btw, as an aside,12 months in doggy hears is equivalent to SEVEN in human years.

And here comes the rough part! So, which scenario would cause you the LEAST second guessing?? And trust me, we are humans ans we are really good at second guessing everything!!

**** If you did NOT amputate and it came back more agressive?

**** If you did amputate and it still came back?

*** Now here's the tough one, IF you do the amputation and all the great nutrition and supplements, etc is that giving you a slight edge for a better outcome? And the really rotten part to that question is no one really knows for sure. But if the "regular" vet rhinks good diet and supplements will help, then they will also help perhaps in conjunction with amputation.

You see where there really is no clear cut answer? Nothing is black and white with this journey! That's why, sometimes, it just boils down to what you feelmis right fornyou and Cosmo!

I know we all say this, but you WILL get to a point where one option feels more "right" for you and Cosmo. Keep chunking it all down. Keep eliminating options that don't feel quite as "right" as the other for you. As you already know...ANY DECISION OUT OF LOVE IS THE RIGHT ONE!!!

Give yourself a break! You got great news on the reports today! Celebrate that! Don't overlook how tremendously good that is!! Take some time off "mentally". Go enjoy playing with Cosmo! Both of you need that 🙂

Lots and lots of love!

Sally and Alumni Happy Hannah and Merry Myrtle and Frankie too!

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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We just started on the K9 immunity earlier this week.  They are chewable.  Otis is eating them so far, but they clearly do not taste like a treat.  My concern is that he already gets 1 dasaquin, 3 fish oils (both for arthritis) and now (so far) 3 K9's (not sure if he should be having more - minimum dosage).  That's a lot of stuff.  Going to talk to the oncologist next week to get her view on the K9's.  As long as the vet believes they do no harm, and he keeps willingly eating them, will probably continue.  One thing - oncologist specifically did not want us trying new supplements in the first couple of chemos, concerned with being able to distinguish between a chemo reaction and a new supplement reaction.  You might want to hold off until you decide on whether to do chemo.

Otis - 106 pound lab/Dane mix, lost his right front leg to osteosarcoma on Febuary 9, 2016.  Four rounds of carboplatin completed in April, 2016.  Lung mets August 25, 2016.  Said goodbye too soon on September 4, 2016.   Lost his adopted sister, Tess, suddenly on October 9, 2016. likely due to hemangiosarcoma.  

Wherever they are, they are together.

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PS...Yeah, I'm glad Jerry spelled it out with a bit more emphasis.....I didn't think it was fair for the regular vet ro say that either!

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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Well, one thing is - there are no guarantees no matter which way you go.  I agree with Sally, that it sounds like the radiation is probably off the table.  Way too much time in the car, which is too stressful for Cosmo.  There's no way to know whether or not the mct will come back or not.  With amputation, you don't have to do chemo, many people do not do it.  Not sure how much experience the oncologist or your regular vet have with amputations, so it probably wasn't fair of either one of them to say what they did.  You know Cosmo the best.  And time for dogs is much different than time for people - like Sally said, 12 months is like 7 years.  So if amputation could buy Cosmo 6 months, that really is over 3 years!  Since his amputation, Murphy hasn't really slowed down a whole lot.  He can still run, chase squirrels and even dig holes in the yard with just 1 front paw!  He gets more tired when going for walks since he hops.  But honestly, I think he's the happiest dog in the world!  And looking around this site, it seems like most of the dogs are really happy, not depressed.  They're happy because they're not in pain anymore.  The wait-and-see approach is fine, too.  It doesn't add any more stress at all for Cosmo.  No added car rides back & forth which is great for him.  But I think either way you're going to be watching and waiting for the other shoe to drop.

Donna

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Murphy had his right front leg amputated due to histiocytic sarcoma at 7 years old. He survived 4 years, 2 months & 1 week, only to be taken by hemangiosarcoma at 11 1/2 years 6/12/17  
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