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Frankie's first cruciate aurgery over two yrs ago has failed, Now removing it.
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My SuperCoolDawg Frankie is having to have the surgery pieces removed.  Apparently  the hock swelling issue I took him in for a bit ago and then to Rehab last week, was fluid coming from the cruciate knee infection/inflammation.

Now as I write this I can’t  exactly  explain how he came to that conclusion,  but his explanation made sense at the time. 

 RELATIVELY speaking, this is a much less invasive  surgery than either of the knee surgeries he had and doesn’t  require a lot of recovery time.

He was very thorough with his explanation  of what could and could not be done,  taken I to  consideration he’s a tripawd with two rear leg surgeries and lots of the dreaded arthritis.

Even if I Mrs Bill Gates, he didn’t  feel like a TPLO was an option in large part because  of the arthritis, as well as not having unaltered bone to work with.  He would be very hesitant  to consider that.

The outcome we are hoping for is he actually will use that a leg a little more, and not just a tap here and there for balance.  This is not a “cure” for the grinding  of the knee bones, but it should be a way to manage use of that leg a little better.  Once the “crimp” as he calls it is removed, it may should be less painful and clear up any residual fluid infection to the hock.  Again, can’t  remember  exsctly ehat je asid about that doggone it, but it made sense that the swelling was that and not a torn ligament.

When I did the first cruciate  for Frankie, he was borderline at the weight threshold  for that type of “fishing line” surgery to be effective (70 lbs). It is a much less expensive  surgery, HOWEVER, if you have a choice between a TPLO and the fishing line technique,  I would go with the TPLO IF possible!  That’s not to say a smaller dog it may be absolutely  fine and last a long time!  But a larger tripawd, based on my experience  only, the TPLO is the way to go with a Board Certified  Orthopedic Surgeon  who has done huge numbers of them.

Sooooo…….has of now, Frankie is  going in for cruciate  surgery REMOVAL next week. 

Rene…..you know that SuperCoolDawg picture you did of Frankie with his Superdawg Cape?  You know the video Clare did of Frankie Cool Dawg when he had his first surgeries?  Whenever you have a free moment (probavly  jever), would love it if you could find them and post them here for good luck!!   Can’t  help but worry a bit.  This crazy hound can’t  avoid any screw ups!

A chuckle’  Surgeon said after bringing  him back he could not beloefe how strong he is!  Said Frankie was almost pulling him down!  Also said he was amazed at how high energy  and fast and  vibrant he is even with all his leg issues!

Yep, that’s my SuperCoolDawg-do-it-my-way- Frankie!!!

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Is this the video Sally?

What day is he going in for surgery? I am glad it is less invasive but I know it won’t stop you from worrying smiley13

I think I found the photo, does it have hearts around it?

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JACKIE!!!  YOU’RE BRILLOANT!!  I cant search worth squat in here….even when looking under topics started…anyway, YES!! THAT’S IT!!

Clare did the most PERFECT job of putting that together!  I feel like it’s a good luck charm,    It reminds me of how very “cool” he is and what a ruff and tuff fu!  Another leg surfery???  Bring it on!!

I think the  picture Rene did had heartx.  And Rene thanks you too!  It’s one less thing she has on her plate

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Is this the picture?

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I am really glad to help smiley10  I had some downtime shhh… and I actually fell into your post by accident, lol. When I read it I did a little searching, I am glad I was able to find at least one sp_hearticon2

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Frankie Super Dog, you’ve got this!

Sally am I reading into this correctly…this is a hopeful situation right? A relatively minor procedure that gives him a great chance at better mobility? I sure hope I’m understanding this. So is the inflammation like a reaction to the material used for the cruciate repair? And what kind of recovery are you expecting? Does it require rehab therapy? 

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You’ve got this Super Frankie! And you too Sally, you are amazing!

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Whew,  I LOVE that picture!! I remember it now! 

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So are they removing the “fishing line” from his knee? Like totally undoing what was done? Will he be able to support his body without it?  Paula

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Paula, yeah, taking out whatever apparatus is in there.  It is no longer holding anything together anyway.    I guess the solid  scar tissue is doing a little good .     As I understand, the bone on bone grinding wont stop and rhe arthritis will continue..   This will ensure no infection and will supposedly improve his gait enough so he can use that leg a little a  l.i.t.t.l.e  more and will hopefully take some of the strain off his other two legs.  

I have emailed  to ask some more questions and clarification.   Rene, & Paula, I’m  double checking in your questions.  Why on earth I didn’t  take my own advice and record it with my taclet… grrrr!I’ll also call my regular  Bet who did the first surgery  for her input and to make sure I’m  understanding things right.  

Feel free to ask any questions.  

JACKIE and RENE…thanks for the repost of pictures!  Sweeet!!!

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Ok that’s starting to make more sense now. It’s kind of like choosing the lesser of two “evils” as the saying goes. It’s so hard when you’re dealing with terrible arthritis on those remaining limbs. This sounds like a reasonable plan in my non-vet mind.

Don’t beat yourself up over anything Sally, it’s easy to get overwhelmed. You’re doing everything as best you can, be proud of that!

Keep us posted on what the vet says about your questions. And it’s my pleasure to find that photo!

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I won’t ask any questions because this just boggles my mind. Sally, you are amazing and strong – Frankie’s got this. I will put my energy into sending positive thoughts to that Super Cool Hound of yours.

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I have no idea what that means, I’m with Kerren baffled. I am so sorry you have yet another hurdle, but we know you and Super Dawg Frankie can hop over it.

We are sending all the healing pawsitive vibes your way for a successful uneventful surgery and recovery.

I don’t understand enough to ask questions other than is it time for some wheels or brace after this? Would they help, and is it doable? Is surgery today, tomorrow?

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I was just wondering how frankie was doing. Thank you for the pupdate sally, you and frankie are such warriors! Moe and i will be sending good vibes for surgery day. Go frankie! Youve got this!

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Awqq…thanks for the well wishes everyone!❤❤❤

Jackie!  PRICELESS!!! I showed Frankie the tee shirt and your heart….he just wagged and wagged!!!  As did I!!

So the Surgeon and the regular Vet ar both out til Monday

Thete is a bottom line I’m  clear in…..the failed apparatus,  whatever that is, needs to come  out. It is useless now.  The scar tissue is “helps”, but there really aren’t  other operations per se that can redo the cruciate aurgery, in large part because  of the arthritis.

I did speak with the Vet who looked at the swollen hock.  She felt like an “infection” would not have healed like it did with just Rimadyl and rest.  She did say that irritation could cause fluid at the site.

I do remember  he interchange irritation, inflammation and infection. So maybe that’s where Imconfused.  Anyway, clarification is in my email to him (which he won’t  see til Monday).  In retrospectand jist as a caution, , I would have preferred to start an antibiotic, but I guess a couple pf days won’t  matter.

She said he could do a culture at the surgery.  I think she said he maybe could. have  drawn fluid, but ot  would be bettrr at surgery… ,,I think.

Regardless, surgery is now scheduled  for Tuesday.  This Surgeon also travels as an Orthopedic  Surgeon to other hospitals  and would not be able to do it for a couple of weeks if I waited.. jHe did tell menuesterday, the sooner the better.  

So I probably  haven’t  cleared things up much 

THANK YOU!!!❤❤❤

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Oh Sally, I’m so sorry to hear that you and Frankie are dealing with this, though one thing is for absolute certain Frankie could not be in better hands. I can’t pretend to understand the situation fully, but a couple of things come to mind from our experience. One thing is: if there is some infection in there then it would make total sense to remove the implant, as implants have a sort of film around them which stores any infection and makes it impossible to eradicate without removing the implant. This is what happened to Meg.   So once the implant is out, he should be feeling much better very quickly if there is some infection. 

Second, when Meg had her cruciate scare at Christmas, the vet told me that the implant used in surgery only serves a temporary purpose, which is to hold the joint together to allow scar tissue to form and stabilise it. After that, although it normally remains in place unless there is a problem, it is not actually doing anything.

Not sure if any of that is helpful but please know that we are thinking of you and sending huge amounts of love. I’m pleased you’re enjoying the video and love to think of you, Frankie and MM watching it together. 

Love, Meg, Clare and Angel Pie ❤️❤️❤️

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You cleared things up perfectly Sally. It makes sense to get the culture and do the procedure sooner rather than later so he can get some relief. Tuesday must feel like a long way from now!

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