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Update on Levi and should I do more chemo?
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Caledonia MI
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8 May 2012 - 4:39 pm
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I haven't been on in a while...I think, last I posted we discovered Lungs Mets in Levi.  This was on January 4.  The vet gave him about 30 days.  Well, here we are Mid-May!  Levi seems to be doing really well.  Still walking a couple miles a day with me and Koa.  Sometimes he breathes a little funny at night but no obvious signs at all.  We had another xray done the end of March and the tumors were much bigger and once again the vet thought we were close to being "done".  I keep preparing myself for "the worst" 3o days from now and then 30 days comes and goes.  It's such an emotional roller coaster.  I quit doing Chemo in January because It wasn't working and I though he would only live a few more months.  I didn't want his final days to be feeling sick.  Anyway, now that he continues to do well I'm wondering if i should be trying other things to shrink the tumors.  I've thought about trying Palladia but this would require switching from our regular vet to an oncologist and this place is very expensive.  I'm just wondering if it's way too late to be trying new things?  Just Curious if others have had any luck with Palladia or are there any new miracle drugs I should try for Osteosarcoma?

Also, for those of you that have lost your dogs to Osteo, is this normal for him to be doing so well?  What is going to happen from here?  His breathing will get worse? Do they start to go downhill all of a sudden?

Anyway, this is where we are at with things...any thoughts would be appreciated.

Levi was diagnosed with Osteosarcoma 7-7-11
Ampuversary 10-14-11
Lung Mets Discovered 1-4-12. Chemo seemed to not be working so we switched to Artemisinin and other supplements. In May, Levi developed a sinus infection and started having seizures. The cancer had moved to his brain. We let him go 6-26-12.

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8 May 2012 - 4:44 pm
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One more thing...I've noticed a little bit of blood in Levi's stool.  Besides the obvious (tumors) what could be causing that?

Levi was diagnosed with Osteosarcoma 7-7-11
Ampuversary 10-14-11
Lung Mets Discovered 1-4-12. Chemo seemed to not be working so we switched to Artemisinin and other supplements. In May, Levi developed a sinus infection and started having seizures. The cancer had moved to his brain. We let him go 6-26-12.

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8 May 2012 - 4:51 pm
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I am afraid I cannot help you (we didn't do chemo and Scout didn't have OSA), but I wanted to say woo hoo to Levi for beating the odds.  He is a true warrior-- I hope his health continues to hold steady and he keeps racking up those months-- walking a couple of miles with mets--he rocks!

Scout: January 31, 2002 to November 7, 2011

Scout's diagnosis was "poorly differentiated sarcoma"; amputation 1/11/2011.  Scout enjoyed 9 fantastic years on 4 legs and 9 glorious months on 3 legs.  If love alone could have saved you…

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We did both Palladia and Kinavet (aka Masitinib) with Abby. We tried the Palladia early on, but only did it for 3 months as she had off and on GI troubles that got worse. In fact, we stopped when I saw blood in her stool, so if Levi is already having some GI-type troubles, it honestly would probably be too much for him. Also, the Palladia didn't stop the mets: what had been a lone, small met got bigger and a new one was added. Now, maybe they would hve been even bigger or there might have been more w/out the Palladia, who knows. But it was definitely not a miracle pill for us. I know it worked for others, making multiple small mets disappear - but only for a time. The mets/cancer ultimately came back. The Masitinib works similarly so we tried it too when the Palladia didn't suit Abby's stomach, but really we were just grasping at straws at that point. I know it's hard to "give up" on trying new things (heaven knows we didn't want to) but if he is still feeling good, you might just want to make the most of that. But I would totally understand if you wanted to try something else.

As for him feeling good, yes, that was our experience. Abby was still doing really well, right up until about a week or so before the end. That is, I guess, a "good" thing about the disease - the pups do well and enjoy life right up to almost the end.

As for what will happen next - yes, that's what happened with Abby - her breathing got really bad. The last time we went to the beach she was VERY tired and couldn't go far. That afternoon her breathing got really bad. For a day or so before that, she had to sleep in a different position than usual to be able to breathe easier. We knew it was time when she couldn't get comfortable to breathe in any position laying down.

Hang in there. PM if you want. I hope you still have a LOT of good time left with Levi. It sounds like you are making the most of your time with him.
Jackie, Angel Abby's mom

Abby: Aug 1, 2009 – Jan 10, 2012. Our beautiful rescue pup lived LARGE with osteosarcoma for 15 months – half her way-too-short life. I think our "halflistic" approach (mixing traditional meds + supplements) helped her thrive. (PM me for details. I'm happy to help.) She had lung mets for over a year. They took her from us in the end, but they cannot take her spirit! She will live forever in our hearts. She loved the beach and giving kisses and going to In-N-Out for a Flying Dutchman. Tripawds blog, and a more detailed blog here. Please also check out my novel, What the Dog Ate. Now also in paperback! Purchase it at Amazon via Tripawds and help support Tripawds!

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8 May 2012 - 6:17 pm
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94vettegirl said
What is going to happen from here?

oh-my A couple miles a day? Sounds like Levi is doing great!

We asked the same questions you're having when Jerry's lung mets progressed, so we published this blog post after we met with his oncologist:

What to expect next …
Posted by  on Wednesday, September 17th 2008

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8 May 2012 - 8:10 pm
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I have no experience with Palladia.  Many pups live a year or more with lung mets.  It depends on their size and location and many times there are no signs breathing issues until the end.

You can also look into artemisinin (you can't do it within 2 months of radiation if you go that route).  Artemisinin and its derivatives (artesunate, artemether, Artemix) kill cancer cells by apoptosis (cell suicide).  There are quite a few of us using this and Penny's Jane is 1 year post OS and a senior rottie (no amp, no radiation, no bisphosphonates ) and is still doing well.  There is an arte and cancer group also (and many of us are over there too): 
http://pets.gro.....nd_cancer/

Hugs and chocolate labby kisses,
Ellen & Charley
18 Month OS Survivor...and counting!

Charley's Blog:  CHOCOLATE KISSES


DOB: 3-29-08, male chocolate lab  
Dx: OSA L proximal humerus 10-19-10

Amputation: L front leg & scapula 10-28-10

Chemo: 5 rounds of Carboplatin

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♥♥♥ Lots of supplements and love!!! ♥♥♥

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8 May 2012 - 9:20 pm
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It is an emotional roller coaster and it's so hard.  I'm so sorry that Levi's mets are bigger.  I think AngelAbbysMom gave you the best description of what to expect. 

Sometimes here we see the labored breathing come on so fast and other times, not so much.   The one thing that you may want to keep in the back of your mind is that lung mets can feel like one is suffocating when it gets bad.  It's a terrible feeling.

 I'm glad Levi is not showing signs!  Here's hoping for lots more time!!

Her Retired AvatarComet - 1999 to 2011

She departed us unexpectedly  January 23, 2011 at the age of 12 1/2.

She was born with a deformed front leg and a tripawd all of her life.

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oh yay.  I have checked from time to time to see if there was a Levi update.  I'm so happy to hear that he is still doing well.

Since Spencer had a different cancer I can't really talk to the treatments.  Our oncologist pointed out that each cancer reacts differently to the different treatments.  For Spencer, his cancer was just soooo aggressive that there was no stopping it.  But even the day he died, the mets weren't *that* big.  They really weren't.  I mean, they had grown some; but I would have thought that they could have gotten much bigger before it was his time based on my experience with my doberman before Spencer.  That dog was named Baron and he had lung cancer - started in his lungs.  His lungs were more than 60% taken over by the tumors before he really started slowing down!  And it was still months before it was time to put him to sleep.

So each dog and cancer is different.  Maybe Levi will be able to handle a lot more before it starts to slow him down.  Just remember - pictures and video as much as you can.  rasberry

Jac and Angel Spencer.  Spencer was 5.25 years old. He fought a grade 3 fibrosarcoma, started on his shoulder.  Left front leg amputated in August 2011.  15 weeks of chemo finished 12/22/11 (mytox and adria).  Lung mets found on x-rays 12/28/11.  Started carboplatin 1/6/12. Went to Heaven on 2/27/12. I miss him like crazy every day.  See his blog here:  http://spencer.tripawds.com/

Caledonia MI
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18 May 2012 - 5:11 pm
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Thanks Everyone. I talked to my vet and she didn't think that any more chemo would help. It may even make him worse. So we are just going to keep doing what we're doing. We have been taking tons of pictures. It's boating season here. We'll see how a tripawd does on a boat...
We'll keep you updated with some boating pictures 🙂

Levi was diagnosed with Osteosarcoma 7-7-11
Ampuversary 10-14-11
Lung Mets Discovered 1-4-12. Chemo seemed to not be working so we switched to Artemisinin and other supplements. In May, Levi developed a sinus infection and started having seizures. The cancer had moved to his brain. We let him go 6-26-12.

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Boating season sounds like a good time to me, better than being down and out from chemo. Enjoy every moment and be sure to share those photos with us!

We know how hard it is to reach this kind of turn in the road. We are thinking of you and Levi.

Tripawds Founders Jim and Rene
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19 May 2012 - 6:22 am
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we're looking forward to seeing some 'captain levi' pictures.  hope the time on the water is magical!!

 

charon & spirit gayle

Life is good, so very, very good!!! Gayle enjoyed each and every moment of each and every wonderful day (naps included).  She left this world December 12, 2011 – off on a new adventure.

Love Never Ends

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