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Should we feel guilty no chemo?:(
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2 January 2014 - 12:02 pm
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For a few reasons, including finantial we have chosen not to do chemo for Dexter, he has just had amputation.

I feel guilty as I think I am not giving him the chance to live longer:( Our vet has given us 6 months or less without but with chemo she said we would get a year or more.

 

I can understand why people do chemo, but I don't want to regret not doing it but there is no way its going to be viable to go ahead so we are left with just supplements and holistic.

 

I just want him to be happy and comfortable even if its for a few weeks/months and Im not sure he would do well with chemo even if we could afford it etc.

Have we made the right choice? Its so difficult!

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2 January 2014 - 12:31 pm
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We know exactly how you feel, it IS a tough decision. But if it was your gut instinct to not do it, then go with that feeling, it will always lead you down the right path. Just know that whatever the outcome, you made the best decision you could and it was made with all the love in the world.

We opted out of chemo for many reasons. I will admit that when the lung mets came back and I felt a lot of guilt over not giving him that extra shot at more longevity. However, in the end, when it was all over, I know that if we had done chemo, doing so would have negatively impacted our happiness during those two years that we beat the odds. That decision worked for us, but everypawdy is different, so don't let others decisions to do chemo keep you from following your heart and knowing what is right for your pup.

Here's a great post about why folks didn't do chemo.

 

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2 January 2014 - 1:03 pm
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Thank you you are right, even if we did chemo the lung mets would still come back eventually so you are right it's only to possibly buy time and if he has less time by not doing it he will still live in the here and as long as he is enjoying the time I think I am at peace with this decision I have to be:)

 

Two years is amazing, most don't get that with the chemo etc.

 

I will follow my heart, and gut feeling thanks and its telling me to follow this pathxx

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2 January 2014 - 1:14 pm
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"Our vet has given us 6 months or less without but with chemo she said we would get a year or more"

It would be great if that were how it really worked--that the diagnosis and prognosis were like a poorly wrapped christmas present, and we knew just by looking at it what we were going to get when we were given it.

But we don't. In truth, no one knows...odds are just odds. And averages are aggregates from all sorts of cases. Some dogs survive years without chemo...others don't make three weeks with it. Nothing is a guarantee--hell, WE aren't even guaranteed a tomorrow, no matter how hale and hearty we are today.

No matter which path you take, and whatever the outcome...there will always be an infinite number of paths not taken--and an infinite number of outcomes that didn't happen. All you can do is make an informed decision--and make it with love and compassion, and in the best interests of everyone involved. And by "everyone" I mean, you, your family, and Dexter...no one else matters.

Dexter doesn't regret anything. Dexter doesn't feel guilty. Dexter doesn't know--or care--about the odds of this treatment protocol or that. He knows you are his world, and that he had some pain and now it's gone, and that once he gets the hang of peeing without tipping over, he's got some prime nap time and play time and try-and-sneak-into-the-catbox time to catch up on.    

Did you do what was right for Dexter and for you? Then you did the right thing. You may have six months, you may have 26. No one knows, but don't spend them on regret or guilt. Go live them and enjoy the hell out of them.

"Let us think the unthinkable, let us do the undoable, let us prepare to grapple with the ineffable itself, and see if we may not eff it after all."
-Douglas Adams, Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency

"May I recommend serenity to you? A life that is burdened with expectations is a heavy life. Its fruit is sorrow and disappointment. Learn to be one with the joy of the moment."
-Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul

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The answer to your question is no, you should not feel guilty. If you are making decisions for Dexter out of love and what is best for your pack then you are making the right decision. And unfortunately finances do factor into our decisions. It would be great if we had an endless supply of money but the fact is we don't.

I chose to do chemo for Maggie's first cancer, I chose not to do it for her second cancer. Quad pug Tani also has mast cell cancer and I am treating her mostly holistically, no chemo. You decide what is best in each situation.

I would suggest you write down your decisions and your reasons. If things go bad later on it helps to have a reminder on why you chose your path. When I lost Mag a natural thought was "what if..." What if I had tried chemo? But looking back on my decision making process I could see that I had done the right thing for her and that brought some much needed peace.

And who knows anyway- my local pal Cemil is just about 5 years past his front amp for OSA and he did not do chemo. While Dexter is with you there is always hope!

Karen and Spirit Maggie

Tri-pug Maggie survived a 4.5 year mast cell cancer battle only to be lost to oral melanoma.

1999 to 2010

 

              Maggie's Story                  Amputation and Chemo

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2 January 2014 - 2:36 pm
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Brilliant advice, and it has put things into perspective now for me. There is more reasons for us not to do chemo, than for us to do it. If I thought we were guranteed two years with Dexter with no side effects etc I would take out a loan and do chemo but we are not so for us it's not worth the risk. I am going to take this advice and enjoy every second with Dexter aka Pookie! :)

 

His new nickname is Pogo Pookie!x

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2 January 2014 - 2:37 pm
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krun15 said
The answer to your question is no, you should not feel guilty. If you are making decisions for Dexter out of love and what is best for your pack then you are making the right decision. And unfortunately finances do factor into our decisions. It would be great if we had an endless supply of money but the fact is we don't.

I chose to do chemo for Maggie's first cancer, I chose not to do it for her second cancer. Quad pug Tani also has mast cell cancer and I am treating her mostly holistically, no chemo. You decide what is best in each situation.

I would suggest you write down your decisions and your reasons. If things go bad later on it helps to have a reminder on why you chose your path. When I lost Mag a natural thought was "what if..." What if I had tried chemo? But looking back on my decision making process I could see that I had done the right thing for her and that brought some much needed peace.

And who knows anyway- my local pal Cemil is just about 5 years past his front amp for OSA and he did not do chemo. While Dexter is with you there is always hope!

Karen and Spirit Maggie

Thank you:) 5 years wow that's amazing, do you know if they used any holistic meds?x

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2 January 2014 - 6:45 pm
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It's a tough call, but one that's made with love.  So long as that's the primary reason, you've done everything right by Dexter!  Fight on!!

~ Katy & Jackson

ACL tear in right hind leg 12/5/12 and scheduled ACL repair surgery 12/21/12. Pre-op xrays revealed osteosarcoma. Amputation 12/28/12.  Chemo (carboplatin) started Jan 10, 2013 and ended on April 5, for a total of 5 doses. He handled carbo like a champ!  No side effects.  We started metronomic therapy at his third chemo and have been also doing some holistic treatments.  He's a lively, playful 10 year old huskie-boarder collie and a very proud member of the Winter Warriors!  Our love. Our funny little guy!

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2 January 2014 - 9:59 pm
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Others have given great insight.

Just want to add that, for most of us anyway, whichever decision we make we'll have a moment or two of second guessing, guilt, etc. It's jist that "human being thing" and we are forgettng to "Be More Dog "! And trust me, for every person who is entertaining guilt because they did not do chemo, there are some feeling guilty because they did do chemo, or did six instead of stopping at five...or whatever! And it all boils down to ANY decision out of love is the RIGHT decision!

I hope TJ's dad sees this and responds. He did NOT do chemo because he didn't want to keep subjecting him to vet trips, etc. It jist wasn't TJ's thing. And he and TJ have had a great time jist enjoying being with each other and living life to the fullest.

There is one thing that ou MUST do to ensure you have NO quilt whatsoever! Are you ready for this? And that's go and live each day to the fullest with Dexter...stay in the moment and let NOTHING rob you of yor time together!! We need a "Pinkie Pogo Pooke swear" on that,, okay!?clap

Hugs to all your pack! And Dexter, you think you were loved and spoiled before?? HA! You "ain't seen nuttin' yet"! Get ready to get anything you want!!

Sally and Hapoy Hannah

PS. Just to give you a little breathing room as these last weeks have been a stressful and crazy time, chemo can be started two--three weeks after amp so you dn't even ave to make a decision right now anyway!! All the more reason to just let loose and go play with Dexter!

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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3 January 2014 - 8:55 am
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My dog had a soft tissue cancer and chemo was not appropriate for that. Before getting the path report back, though, my family discussed the possibilities and decided we would not do chemo. A large part of the reason was financial. Everyone here--everyone--thinks of money. We have to. It's not tacky or crude or embarrassing. It's reality. What good is it to take money away from needed places to treat our animal companions if it means we lose out in other areas? Is it right to buy our dog another 6 months (and as Megan pointed out that's a crap shoot anyway) and be unable to make rent?

And like TJ who was mentioned, my guy hated the car with a passion. If I had packed him up for vet visits for chemo, he would probably have had a shorter life simply from the anxiety. If riding in the car made him vomit, how could I tell him I wanted him to live an extra 6 months just so he could repeat the process every couple of weeks?

There are no guarantees for anything. You have decided to do the most important thing and take off the source of pain. Everything after that is flexible. As long as the decisions you make are made out of love and responsibility, there is absolutely no reason to feel guilty over anything. Guilt is great for reminding us we screwed up and need to make changes next time, but it's paralyzing for things like this that are not black and right. Don't let guilt or what-ifs keep you from enjoying the second chance you've got now. Go and have fun and enjoy every minute!

Shari

From abandoned puppy to Tripawd Warrior Dude, Dakota became one of the 2011 February Furballs due to STS. Our incredibly sweet friend lived with grace and dignity till he impulsively raced over the Bridge on 12-15-12.

Dakota's thoughtful and erudite blog is at http://shari.tr.....pawds.com/

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3 January 2014 - 8:57 am
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And I meant black and white, not black and right! Should have proofed more carefully.

From abandoned puppy to Tripawd Warrior Dude, Dakota became one of the 2011 February Furballs due to STS. Our incredibly sweet friend lived with grace and dignity till he impulsively raced over the Bridge on 12-15-12.

Dakota's thoughtful and erudite blog is at http://shari.tr.....pawds.com/

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3 January 2014 - 11:01 am
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I came back to add that we did NOT do chemo, either...for a variety of reasons (all of which I blogged about at some point, I'm sure).

We had six months post-op (although I realize now, looking back at photos and behavior that Sam's lesion was present for at least that long before diagnosis). And it was six good months. Would everyone have done things the way we did? No. I am sure there are some people who thought we didn't do enough, and others who thought we did too much.

But I know now, looking back, that I would not have changed a thing for US. When Sam died, it was a difficult thing to go through, and tremendously sad...but at the same time, I tell people that it was a HAPPY story, from beginning to end. I don't regret a second of our journey (which is not the same as wondering "what if", mind you), and in many ways, the final six months of Sampson's life were some of the most remarkable ones we had in our more than 13 years together.

Certainly there were stresses and challenges. There was heartbreak and frustration. But there were also moments of silly, giddy success over all of the dumb everyday things in life. There was appreciation for and revelation in all of the things that made Sam, Sam--both the good and the not-so-good. There was a real evaluation of what it means to both live well and die well--and not just for our pets, but for us, as people as well.

In a way, I think the experience was sort of like salt. Can it sting and burn in a sore spot? Yes. But despite that, it served as a simple additive that heightened all of the other flavours of our lives, and made them sharper, richer, and more clear.

It was absolutely a transformative time, and although it was filled with a cavalcade of emotions (and not anywhere near all of them happy-skippy-dippy ones to be sure)...I do not regret or have guilt over one single second of it, and I think it's one of the greatest gifts the two of us could have given each other.*

So, go do what you and Dexter do best--whatever that is and whatever it means for you. Listen to people, ask their advice, absolutely, but don't let anyone else make you feel guilty...and anyone else includes your own inside voice ;-)

 

 

*(And absolutely better than some of the dead and mostly dead gifts that Sam would bring me...or wave at and refuse to bring me. But then again, it's the thought that counts, right? :D)

"Let us think the unthinkable, let us do the undoable, let us prepare to grapple with the ineffable itself, and see if we may not eff it after all."
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"May I recommend serenity to you? A life that is burdened with expectations is a heavy life. Its fruit is sorrow and disappointment. Learn to be one with the joy of the moment."
-Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul

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3 January 2014 - 2:29 pm
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No Regrets!

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It's all about quality of life, not quantity, for the whole pack. Know that you're doing the best you can do. And ssshhhhh... Dexter doesn't know chemo from doodle!

PS, we did not do IV chemo with Jerry and he loved life on three legs for two years. See the Nutrition blog for details.

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We decided last week not to do chemo for our girl after her right front leg was removed due to soft tissue sarcoma. Her surgery was about two weeks ago. We don't know if the tumor has metastasized or not yet. While Kira's lungs are clear,  there are no guarantees it won't show up. We decided to make whatever time we have left together the best it can be without further attempts to rid her body of cancer cells. It was a tough decision and we weighed all the circumstances for several days after the diagnosis. To me, there is no "right" or "wrong" decision in this situation. We make the best, loving choices we can for our fur kids and that's all we can do.

I love everyone's advice in this thread. Wishing you much love and companionship in your time with Dexter.

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Me and my wife have decided against chemo too. We have spent over 8 grand on vet work and and rear leg/pelvis amputation.My dog is recovering well and very happy again 10 days after his surgery. We feel we have helped to extend his life and hope to have a long time more with him. The odds of his cancer spreading to his lungs is probably high but I don't feel chemo will really change those odds. I have depleted much of my saving and really can't see spending much more.

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