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Osteosarcoma, amputation, and chemo.. survival rate?
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8 February 2023 - 10:09 am
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I am new here. Have any of you had a animal diagnosed with osteosarcoma, then amputation, and then chemo that your pet outlived the survial percentages? Any words would be greatly appreciated. Thank you 

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8 February 2023 - 10:55 am
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Hi Amy, welcome. Thanks for registering. Your future posts won't require approval so post away.

Yes, we have had many members become long-term survivors and go beyond the statistics, with chemo and without chemo. Examples include these members, and these, and so many more I can't name them all here.

I'm guessing that you are looking for some signs of hope because your dog was diagnosed? Tell us more about your situation, and we can try to give you more specific input. 

We look forward to learning all about you and your dog or cat!

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9 February 2023 - 7:12 am
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So my dog Bertie is a 15 month old lab. What I thought was an ACL injury turned into a most likely osteosarcoma diagnsosis. The onocloist did a biopsy and we are waiting on the results; however, she said to prepare for bad news. WHen given the statistics of 6 months with amputation only and 1 year with amputation and chemo.. was just devastating.. esp because Bertie is still a puppy baby. I will get results next week from pathology but I am one to prepare and get different plans ready to go. It is how i cope. So I am looking for anything here. Has anyone done that Elias immunotherapy? Does chemo make a dog sick? I had one vet say amuputate only because chemo will lower her quality of life. I had another one say do both and yet another say don't do anything and let her enjoy herself. I am open to any and all suggestions. Thank you. 

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9 February 2023 - 11:31 am
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Hi Amy,

Thanks for sharing more details. I'm so sorry about this sitaution, Bertie is sooooo young! Ugh!

I had one vet say amuputate only because chemo will lower her quality of life. I had another one say do both and yet another say don't do anything and let her enjoy herself. I am open to any and all suggestions. Thank you. 

I can see why you are so overwhelmed. It's hard enough when you have all the vets on the same page but when you get conflicting advice, it's whiplash. So, I'm not a vet but I'll give you my input on the feedback you received.

1) As for the vet who said don't do anything ... smiley7! Honestly. That kind of advice is from 30 years ago. Treatment has come a long way! There are things you can do to help your dog and not doing anything at all is not something a vet practicing modern medicine would ever say to a client these days, especially when a younger dog is overall healthy.

2) Ditto for the vet who said amputate only. While they are one step ahead of vet #1, because they understand the importance of removing that painful leg, they are behind the times or just not experienced enough with chemotherapy (or willing to refer their clients to specialists who know more). Chemotherapy in pets is not what it is in humans, quality of life is #1 and oncologists always keep that at the forefront IF a dog has side-effects. Usually any side effects are managed with medication for a few days, and the treatment gets dialed in so that they don't happen again.

3) The vet who said to do both is the one you want to work with. However, I'm of the opinion that chemotherapy is always optional, you should not feel bad if it's out of reach for your budget, or if you just don't want to do it. That's perfectly fine. Just know that statistically, chemotherapy does give a higher chance of longevity, especially in younger dogs.

The prognosis for very young dogs is not good, you are correct. But there are new treatments that have upped those survival rates to amazing highs, like in Dexter's case, and now, Whiskey's.

So here's my input:

Seek a consult with a board-certified veterinary oncologist so you can get all of the most current information and then make a decision. Do you have an appointment lined up?

 Has anyone done that Elias immunotherapy

Absolutely! But it must be arranged before amputation. See all of our posts about immunotherapy.

And pick up a copy of the Dog Cancer Survival Guide too, it's indispensable. 

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10 February 2023 - 7:06 am
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Thank you so much for your response. I am loving this website, what a blessing it is to so many who are going throught this. I have devoured every post on this topic. The best thing I have learned is to listen to my dog, screw the stats, and put my confidence in her as well. Once I get the lab path confirming cancer, then i will meet with the oncologist again. She is the one who did the biopsy on Bertie. I will do the surgery and chemo with lots of hugs and loves and treats. I have spoken to someone at lenghths who did Elias for their dog. It is too expensive for me, between 10k and 20K. I can't do it. Not on my salary and with a son going to college in the fall. Is there another immunotherapy that is less expensive or maybe would be interested in working with us because of Bertie being so young and maybe using her as a test case for juvenile bone cancer? 

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10 February 2023 - 10:59 am
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Do you know of any dogs that were diagnosed at this young of an age of 15 months and their surivival story? 

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10 February 2023 - 11:31 am
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Hi Amy! I'm in the Tripawds Chat for a bit if you want to talk today. You can also call the Tripawds Helpline anytime, 844-TRIPAWD.

I'm so glad you are finding the confidence you need to help Bertie. Yay!

Yes, the Elias vaccine is not cheap. I wish it was! There's no way we could afford it if we had to pay.

The best thing to do is to ask your oncologist if they can refer you to any clinical trials where a new immunotherapy is being offered at a free or reduced cost. Many universities with vet teaching hospitals have trials going on right now so if you are near one that's a great resource.

Regarding young dogs. Oh yeah, for sure you need to check out Bart's story! Barty survived for many years after osteosarcoma and that was even before immunotherapy treatments were mainstreamed. Forgive the wonky layout, we are trying to fix that tech issue.

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11 February 2023 - 10:56 am
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Been following  your posts on Bertie.  She  sounds like auch a sweetheart who is clearly adored.   As always, thorough  replies from Jerry and chock full of information. 

Absolutely finances (or lack thereof) have to be considered in any decision  of this magnitude.   By doing the amputation  and chemo, you are doing more than some can afford..  What can, and cannot be do e treatment  wise, is not how our love for our dogs/cats is measured.  Tummy rubs, treat, snuggles, spoiling, letting them know they are the center of our world......that's how they know they are loved♥️

The best lesson of thos journey  is to love in the NOW.  Be fully present  in the moment, just like our dogs are.  To waste time worr about future  days on a calendar interferes with the time we jave now.  

You are awonderful advocate for Bertie.and she knows it😎

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Sally and Alumni Happy Hannah and Merry Myrtle and Frankie too!

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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16 February 2023 - 10:42 am
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So the biopsy returned as osteocarsoma, specifically, chrondroblastic osteosarcoma. Bertie had her amputation this morning and did great. We should be able to get her tomorrow and then the chemo road begins. 

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16 February 2023 - 10:43 am
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Not the vet or the oncologist could get over how young she is with this diagnosis. She is a baby at 16 months

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16 February 2023 - 11:28 am
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So glad surgery is done and went well👏  Let us know how the homecoming goes, okay?

Yes, Bertie is just a baby. I know we've jad youngsters  on here before with osteo, but not sure as young as sixteen months.

I just want to reiterate  we do have many dogs blow statistics  out of the water!   One RockStar stands out named Nova.  She was a Great Dane 2ho survived I to her senior years, an additional  five years as I recall.  She proved large dogs, mature dogs, dont fit the "statistics'.  Another Dog, Aibborn Pug Magfie was five a timeframe of four to six mo ths if I recall.  Maggie didn't  listen.  She loved an add four years and passed from aomething  else.

One thing for sure, once recovery  is done, her youthful attitude 2ill help get her back to veing her playful vibrant self fairly quickly. 

Thanks for the update.  2ould love to see pics.  Here's a link for adding images .  I'll a

I'llsend you a PM with my email address if yiu want to send me pictures  that way and I'll post them here.

Hugs 

Sally and Alumni Happy Hannah and Merry Myrtle and Frankie too!

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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16 February 2023 - 12:26 pm
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I'm so glad she is out of surgery! Hope she gets to come home as expected! YAY! How's your house? Is it prepared?

Yeah it's very young to have that cancer, but not unheard of here in our community. It sucks! I'm so sorry. This is not what anyone ever expects, especially when the dog is are so young.

Sally gave great examples of dogs who lived a very long time after a diagnosis. You just never know what this cancer will do and you just gotta keep the faith that it will behave itself and not come back. Focus on here and now with your #1 girl. The only way cancer can "win" is if you let it steal time from your relationship with her. I know you won't do that.

Sounds like all your bases are covered with her oncology stuff. Good job! Take a deep breath and know that you and Bertie have this covered. You can do this!

Virginia



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16 February 2023 - 8:06 pm
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Get ready to go....Awwww and smooch the screen 🥰🥰  Introduc8ng the lovely BERTIE💖   Such a cutie pie.

Love the photo  of her gazing out the window, loat in the moment bone next to her on  the floor.

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Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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17 February 2023 - 11:34 am
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Ohhhhh Bertie is so so so cute! sf-kisssf-kisssf-kiss Thank you Sally, this made my morning, and I'm sure everyone else's.

Hope you get to come home today sweet girl!

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3 October 2023 - 5:39 am
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Bertie is a beautiful doggy. That coat is amazing. Well, I just read about what you are going through and quite honestly I feel for you. That just flat out sucks! Ok I’ll tame my language. 

This journey WILL be worth it. Lacey is her old self and you would never know she only has three legs. She has two brothers, another lab and a bichon. She out works them, out plays them and is quite literally the BOSS. She is laying at my legs as I write this. She is my everything! 

if there’s anything I can do please reach out. There are no words that make this crap go away. No one has the magic pill BUT we do have one another and as we have said, this site holds us all together.

My simple advice, enjoy each day and do the best you can…. We are in this together. 

Not quite how I wanted to make friends or meet new people. LOL!

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