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Newly Amputated Golden Retriever Having Very Hard Time Peeing/Pooping/Going To Bathroom
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9 March 2021 - 11:06 am
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Hi Tripawds community! First of all, thanks to all the contributors, I cannot properly express how appreciative I am of this incredible resource.

My dog, Brooklynn (8 years and 8 months old Golden Retriever) was diagnosed with Osteosarcoma last Tuesday (3/2/21). Her front left leg was amputated on last Friday (3/5/21). Luckily, the lung x-rays came back clean. We are planning to start chemo once she recovers from the amputation, but our main priority is her quality of life, so if she responds horribly to the chemo we are very open to stopping and letting her live her best life as a tripawd for as long as possible. I am still reeling from how quickly this has all gone down (she seemed totally healthy prior to diagnosis, and even at diagnosis was barely walking with a limp - we only brought her in due to swelling).

She is doing quite well so far except for one area: going to the bathroom. She peed the morning of her surgery (3/5/21). As of Sunday afternoon (3/7), she had yet to go pee (or poop). We took her to the ER as we were quite concerned (unfortunately we were not able to get much advice on this from the ER staff on the phone), but as we were waiting we took her on a short walk and she finally peed(!) so we didn't end up going inside. It is now Tuesday morning (3/9) and she has not peed again, and still has not peed. We are less concerned about pooping, but will be going to our vet in two hours to try and address the pee situation.

Before asking for advice, I do want to share that Brooklynn has always been a "finicky" pee-er. She has always needed to find the perfect spot, which sometimes takes a long time, even when I know she really has to go. My non-professional opinion is that she is really struggling to figure out how to get down and pee given her new three-legged reality, and her particular-ness is making it even more difficult. Oh, one more thing - I did try expressing her after watching instructional videos, but wasn't successful. I'm sure she hated even the idea of it.

I would SO appreciate any advice, thoughts, insight, etc. Is there anything I can do to help her figure out this new motion? Thank you.

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9 March 2021 - 2:14 pm
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Hi and welcome! Your future posts won't need to wait for approval so post away. I'm so glad you decided to introduce yourself and Brooklynn (cute name!), it was nice speaking with you yesterday.

So I'm hoping that by now you are at the clinic, your vet has checked her out and given you a tutorial on expressing her bladder? How did it go?

For the benefit of others I'm sharing this blog post, because I think you mentioned you already ran into it:

How to Help a New Tripawd Urinate After Amputation

As for chemotherapy, we will support you no matter what you decide. It's such a personal decision, every situation is different and there are no right or wrong choices. 

Let s know how the vet visit went OK? 

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9 March 2021 - 3:20 pm
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Thanks for the response and resources, Jerry. Again, amazing community and website you have here. Oh, one more detail about Brooklynn in case anyone finds it relevant is she is female.

Unfortunately, I do not have any positive updates to share at this time. We went to the vet and they tried to expressing Brooklynn, but were unable to. Another vet came and tried and after about a minute, Brooklynn starting yelping and crying worse than I’ve ever seen. Took about 30 seconds to calm her down. At that point, they took her back to get a sonigram (I think that’s what they called it but can’t remember now) of her bladder. They then came out to tell us that they think something is definitely wrong but they don’t know what, so they need to do an emergency surgery to see what is going on with her bladder. Incredibly heartbreaking, as she was starting to do so well aside from the pee issue. So now we are waiting for a call from them...

It seems like at this point, a ruptured bladder that can be repaired would be best case. But it was mentioned it could also be related to cancer. We read online that ruptured bladders can be caused by squeezing too hard during expression or from complication during surgery, among other things. We do like our vet, so if it did rupture when he tried to express her and she yelped that would be pretty demoralizing, but I guess he knows what he’s doing and did whatever was necessary..? As far as surgery, we don’t know if they put a catheter in her, which could have caused complications..? Does anyone have any experiences on this front? She was peeing and pooping completely fine prior to surgery.

I hope to circle back soon with a positive update and we can get back ok the road to recovery, but we are feeling very nervous and helpless right now. 

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Update: Brooklynn is out of surgery and we are waiting for her to be ready to be picked up. She did have a ruptured bladder, most likely caused by the vet trying to express her. However, the amount of pressure the vet put should not have been enough to rupture - during the the surgery to repair it they found some irregularities on her bladder and that her kidney numbers/value are irregular. Basically her kidneys are not working right, which is most likely what caused her to not be able to go pee.

Once we pick her up, we need to take her to a 24 hours facility where they will do a kidney flush and keep her overnight, hoping her levels become regular and she can start going to the bathroom normally. They are also sending some of her bladder (which they removed during this latest surgery) off for a biopsy to try and see why it’s looking irregular.

The strange thing is, her kidney numbers/values were fine prior to her amputation. So it seems like the kidney issues may be a side affect of the amputation..? I think that would be best case scenario at this point: bladder biopsy comes back clean and kidneys start working post-flush and she can pre again. And that the kidney issues are somehow side affects from amputation..?

Anyone have any experience with kidneys/bladder being affected by either amputation or osteosarcoma in general? Thank you!!!

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9 March 2021 - 6:59 pm
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Holy crap!  What an ordeal!!!

At this point I can only offer pawsitive energy and cyber hugs.   This has  me baffled and is out of my knowledge (llimited as it is).

While the bladder expression could be suspect as it caused extreme pain and rupture. it does seem like "something" caused the pee delay to begin with.

It may have been so as 'simple" as reaction to pain meds. anesthesia, adjusting  to three etc.  Combine   any one of these thinggs to Brooklyn 's "reluctance" to pee unless it can be her way and on her terms.

I know it's hard to "hurry up and wait", but she's in good hands and getting  those kidneys agood flushing.  While I'm really, really sorry about the rupture. that was, indeed, fixable. And all, the previous pee delays may have been a result of the things  e tioned above.

So sorry you are having  to deal with this extra "challenge".   Use tonight to get some rest.  Brooklyn will bounce back from the bladder surgery and she can get back to her "normal" amputation recovery.

(((((((((((((HUGS)))))))))))

Sally and Alumni Happy Hannah and Merry Myrtle and Frankie too!

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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9 March 2021 - 7:23 pm
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Thank you Sally and Alumni Happy Hannah and Merry Myrtle and Frankie!!! Your words and support mean the world to us. Thank you.

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9 March 2021 - 9:47 pm
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Woah! I go away for a few hours and when I come back, you and Brookynn have been through a crazy ordeal! Yikes! I'm so sorry! 

No, I can't recall of anyone with a bladder issue related to amputation or osteosarcoma. And I had no idea that a bladder could rupture, I will be sure to mention that next time someone is in the same situation trying to help their dog urinate. Ouch!! We all learn from each other here, during bad times and good.

My guess is that there is no connection between her bladder / kidney issues and the amputation, but I'm no vet. Take comfort in knowing she's in great hands and you'll have answers soon. Stay strong, your girl has every chance for a full recovery from both surgeries! Keep us posted OK?

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10 March 2021 - 9:19 am
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Thanks, Jerry. Feeling such a full heart having support from you all. It’s awesome.

Good news to report: we just got a call from the overnight vet and her kidney numbers have stabilized at normal values. Yay! It seems likely, according to this vet, that the rupturing of her bladder is what actually caused the irregularities in those numbers. That said, to address Jerry’s comment about the bladder rupturing, from what we’ve been told, it sounds like in normal circumstances that really should not happen - I don’t want to unnecessarily cause anyone any unreasonable fear when it comes to expressing. Hopefully we will have a fuller picture of everything at some point.

In any event, mystery of kidney irregularities is seemingly solved - apparently numbers went up due to the vet rupturing her bladder when trying to express her. But again, it’s our understanding that under normal circumstances that shouldn’t have happened. Still unclear on why the bladder looked irregular - we will get a biopsy back on that in a few days. All that said, she needs to show that she can go to the bathroom on her own before she gets released, otherwise we’ll be right back where we were yesterday.

In my non professional mind, here’s the way I’m seeing it (feel free to correct anything I’m missing!):
1. Something serious wrong with bladder, in which case that is still probably the case and she still won’t be able to pee
2. Something was wrong with bladder, that somehow the rupture and subsequent surgery fixed and she’ll now be able to go pee
3. There is some side effect of her amputation that has and may continue to make it so she can’t pee
4. Getting used to three legs mixed with her general pickyness when it comes to peeing is making it so she can’t pee (from what we’ve read, this seems unlikely/expressing should have been a solution)

As always, if anyone has any thoughts, corrections, experience, etc., please don’t hesitate to share! 🙂

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10 March 2021 - 2:46 pm
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YAY FOR GOOD KIDNEY NUMBERS!!!  Now come on Brooklyn. PEEEEE!!! We're all doing a hoppy pee pee dance over here!  Try running a faucet or putting her paw in warm water.........guess that just works with hoomans😉

I'm kinda' lean towards #4 (with #3 being and distant second).   And add pain meds into the equation too.  Add that she did go once she got to another outside env with lots of pee smells at the Vet's office.  It just seems sooooo unlikely  that all of the sudden she's showing bladder  "issues" instantly after amputation.  

And even though Vets know how to "professionally " express a bladder, that does NOT mean that sometimes  a rupture can, and does, happen!  

So glad kidney values are back to normal!  That's  great news!  It may be that Brooklyn's "temporary new norm for peeing" while in the first days of recovery is once a day.

Okay back to doing the hoppy pee pee dance!

Hugs 

Sally and Alumni Happy Hannah and Merry Myrtle and Frankie!

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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Thanks for the pee dances! As far as another update, I guess we either misheard or were miscommunicated the plan when we spoke to a vet this morning prior to my last post. We had thought catheter was coming out this morning, and then they would see if she could pee on her own, which she apparently needs to do before coming home with us. It turns out that they actually want to keep the catheter in until either tonight or even tomorrow as it will better support her recovery from the bladder surgery. So, we'll have to wait longer than we thought and unfortunately be away from her for that whole time. That said, sounds like this will give her the best chance to start peeing regularly again.

Will report back once we have another update. You all are awesome. 🙂

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10 March 2021 - 3:16 pm
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Hey there! I'm in the Tripawds Chat for a bit if you want to talk. 

Meanwhile I'm so so so glad the kidney values are normal and she's stable! Thanks for clarifying everything, especially about the rupture. I still feel like we should warn people to be careful though, I've just never heard of this happening. 

Here's what I think: you know your dog best, so #4 seems like the most likely scenario. Also, if she's been picky all her life about peeing, it's probably not pickiness but some type of internal discomfort related to her bladder that caused her urinating episodes to be so, well, picky! We say dog's can't "talk" to us but oftentimes these little behaviors are their way of trying to tell us something about their bodies. Perhaps the amputation surgery and the new gait just put that discomfort over the edge. Hopefully this is behind you all for good and she can get on with life. One step at a time, she will get there! Hang tight!

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I am so thrilled to be able to share a PAWSITIVE update with you all!!

We got a call from the overnight vet early this morning confirming they had removed the catheter, and would monitor her throughout the day to see if she could pee on her own. They said a vet would call us in the afternoon with an update. Of course, by 1pm, we couldn't help ourselves, so we called and the person at the front desk checked and confirmed that she had gone pee!! We were ecstatic. Maybe 20 minutes later the vet called us and said we could come pick her up.

Luckily, this episode of the story gets even better. After she was brought out to us (lots of smiles on both sides), we decided to take her for a short walk before going home. She is really starting to become much more steady and mobile, which is super exciting! Within literally 45 seconds she went pee! And then, a few minutes later, she went poop! I was close to tears I was so happy.

So, now we are happily resting at home. We still don't know what caused pee issues, and we are still waiting on the bladder biopsy results, which could shed some light, but for now we are so happy that Brooklynn is home and seems to be able to go to the bathroom normally. Feeling really in touch with how I just need to appreciate this moment. So excited to continue down the path of amputation recovery. Thank you all for your support these past few days. It was incredibly meaningful. Jerry - thanks for the offer to chat, sorry to have missed you. I'll be sure to continue sharing updates moving forward, and hopefully this thread can be a resource to others in the future.

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11 March 2021 - 8:06 pm
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Cannot  wipe the huge grinoff my face!!!!  Bern hoping for as good update....and we have a really, really good update!👏👏

We have per and we have 💩!!  Hoppy pee and 💩 dance going on all over Tripawd Land!!!  Thanks for sharing  these glorious moments with us!!!

Get in lots of good snuggles tonight .....and get some good rest!

Hugs 

Sally and Alumni Happy Hannah and Merry Myrtle and Frankie too!

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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This. is. GREAT! I'm so happy you've been reunited and she is doing her business again. Did you ever think you would be so happy to see her go? Too cute!

Yes, keep us posted and enjoy the reunion and her healing. Cheers to moving forward!

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Just checking  in on our sweet Brooklynn......... 

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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