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Virginia
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Wow, another earthquake?! Glad you guys are ok. I never thought about feeding chicken livers, what a great idea. I know black strap molasses has iron too. I gave that to Jake. So glad to hear Shelby's doing great this morning, she is one amazing pup!! 

Mom to Tripawd Angels Jake (2001-2014) and Rosco (2012-2015) and Tripawd Tanner. “Whatever happens tomorrow, we had today; and I'll always remember it”  

      

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29 March 2014 - 10:07 am
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Sorry about the quake! Just talked to my parents, it was centered about 5 miles from them! eeeee!

Use the liver very sparingly and in teeny tiny portions for her, it's very rich and we've had some GI issues in our pack when we give too much of it. Let us know how she likes it.

Oh, to be ultra healthy, you want to get organic liver if you can. Since this organ is what cleans out and collects toxins from the body, you want to make sure that the cow who owned that liver led a healthy life.

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29 March 2014 - 11:49 am
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Sorry about the quake! Just talked to my parents, it was centered about 5 miles from them! eeeee!

Use the liver very sparingly and in teeny tiny portions for her, it's very rich and we've had some GI issues in our pack when we give too much of it. Let us know how she likes it.

Oh, to be ultra healthy, you want to get organic liver if you can. Since this organ is what cleans out and collects toxins from the body, you want to make sure that the cow who owned that liver led a healthy life.

Your parents must be in Orange County - yup apparently it didn't stop shaking at all last night. I am SO glad Shelby didn't make the bathroom her safe zone so I didn't have to snuggle up w/her in there. 🙂 

 

Organic liver it is ... Off to Whole Paycheck (aka whole foods) for some tiny bits .. at least I can get them to chop it up for me - this is the biggest test of my love for her ... I'm going to have to febreeze the apt. The smell alone will cause me to lose my appetite! 

Shelby Lynne; Jack Russell/Shiba Inu mix. Proud member of the April Angels of 2014.

October 15, 2000 to April 8, 2014

Our story: Broke rear leg in June 2013 - non-conclusive results for cancer so leg was plated and pinned. Enlarged spleen in September 2013 and had it removed and was diagnosed with Hemangiosarcoma and started chemotherapy. Became a Tripawd January 8th, 2014 and definitive Hemangiosarcoma diagnosis. Three major surgeries in 7 months and Shelby took them all like a champ only to lose her battle to cancer in her brain. We had 8 amazing extra months together and no regrets. #shelbystrong #loveofmylife

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29 March 2014 - 12:55 pm
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Okay, I'm going to chime in here because diet is something that I did a TON of research on.  We really believe that it is the reason that Zeus outlived his prognosis and I am so proud of the fact that our vet mentioned on several occasions how he didn't see the typical "cancer cachexia" (wasting of muscles that causes the sickly, sunken look in cancer patients).  Zeus never lost weight or looked sick at all, even at the end.  And NOT ONCE did he refuse to eat, until that very last day.

Because all research in humans and animals shows that cancer feeds on sugars (and carbs are easily broken down into simple sugars), you want to avoid sugar and carbs as much as possible.  Although I didn't buy into everything that Dr. Dressler recommended in his book, I did believe the high-protein diet theory because there is SO much science to support it.  Since I just couldn't do 100% cooked, we fed Zeus 1/2 kibble (Halo) and 1/2 home-cooked.  We did a variation of the cancer diet and replaced some of the hard-to-keep-on-hand fresh ingredients (like cottage cheese and turkey necks) with supplements.

Part of the cancer diet includes ground beef and beef liver, and there are very specific cooking instructions.  As they are both high in fat, to avoid stomach upset you should brown the beef VERY slowly in a lot of water and then drain well (I'm sure boiling it would be just as good).  As for the liver, it must be cut into very very small pieces (to allow more of the fat to escape so you don't have stomach upset) and boiled/simmered.  We would then pour it through a colander and rinse it to get the excess fat off.  The vegetables should be boiled until they are soft and then mushed up with a potato masher or blender.  This allows the dog to benefit from the nutrients more before it passes through their system.  The reason for this is because veggies are hard for a dog to digest fully before it passes.  In the wild, dogs would get their veggies through eating the stomach and other organs of the animal that it killed, which meant that the foods were already partially digested.  As for the oatmeal, don't use instant - use the kind that has to be cooked and use steel-cut or rolled oats (which basically means not-instant).  I know this is a really long answer, hope I didn't bore you to death!

Zeus was a Husky mix diagnosed with Osteosarcoma at age 11.  A visible lung met and suspicious spot on his liver meant a poor prognosis-six weeks was our vet's best guess. We decided to fight for our boy and his right front leg was amputated on 12/1/11. We did six rounds of chemo, changed his diet and spoiled him completely rotten. We were blessed with 10 great months after diagnosis. Against the odds, the lung met remained a single met and grew very little over those months. A wonderful furbaby with the most gentle spirit, he fought with a strength that we never imagined he possessed. We have no regrets...
http://zeuspod......pawds.com/

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29 March 2014 - 1:53 pm
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Boring? Are you kidding? This is GREAT info, thank you! Would you mind if I borrowed it for a Nutrition blog post?
And THANKS!!!

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29 March 2014 - 2:12 pm
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Zeus' mom! So not boring at all! Fascinating stuff. I already knew most of it (the part about carbs and sugar and cancer so all our treats are 100% grain free ) and her kibble is Blue Buffalo high protein and I supplement that with her cooked food. I didn't know about cooking the veggies and mashing them - she ate green bell peppers last night and they were only heated through so I can do that now. Will probably make it easier to get some of those other veggies she needs so I can hide them. Also didn't know about the cooking beef / liver in water and draining the fat. That makes sense, of course, and I would do that for me! She's been eating a lot of sirloin.

What do you think/know about sweet potatoes or yams? An anti-cancer recipe I want to make for her calls for ground turkey, apples, yams in the crock pot. There is another one in our cookbook that calls for split peas and I just fear the gas factor on that one. 

 

And rice? That's a grain, right? Is the Gluten free pasta OK? Her vets tell me it's all fine BUT like you, I've done the research and I want to make it pretty simple (on me) what she can and cannot have. She's also been told that she hardly looks like a dog with cancer - full belly, soft coat, not too skinny... she's a healthy/hearty eater too. 

Thank you so much for sharing! You should definitely do a blog post!!! 

 

XO

Shelby Lynne; Jack Russell/Shiba Inu mix. Proud member of the April Angels of 2014.

October 15, 2000 to April 8, 2014

Our story: Broke rear leg in June 2013 - non-conclusive results for cancer so leg was plated and pinned. Enlarged spleen in September 2013 and had it removed and was diagnosed with Hemangiosarcoma and started chemotherapy. Became a Tripawd January 8th, 2014 and definitive Hemangiosarcoma diagnosis. Three major surgeries in 7 months and Shelby took them all like a champ only to lose her battle to cancer in her brain. We had 8 amazing extra months together and no regrets. #shelbystrong #loveofmylife

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29 March 2014 - 2:21 pm
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SUNSHINE means we put off shopping for liver and our earthquake kit and take Shelby to the park... she LOVED watching the ducks that she used to chase! Does this look like a dog with lung mets?! I say NO ... take that cancer ... Today - we win! 🙂 

Shelby Lynne; Jack Russell/Shiba Inu mix. Proud member of the April Angels of 2014.

October 15, 2000 to April 8, 2014

Our story: Broke rear leg in June 2013 - non-conclusive results for cancer so leg was plated and pinned. Enlarged spleen in September 2013 and had it removed and was diagnosed with Hemangiosarcoma and started chemotherapy. Became a Tripawd January 8th, 2014 and definitive Hemangiosarcoma diagnosis. Three major surgeries in 7 months and Shelby took them all like a champ only to lose her battle to cancer in her brain. We had 8 amazing extra months together and no regrets. #shelbystrong #loveofmylife

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29 March 2014 - 6:30 pm
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From Dr. Dressler:

"Even dog lovers who feed their dog homemade food often include
carbohydrate-rich potatoes, peas, corn and carrots in their meals. The body
breaks these vegetables down very quickly into simple sugars.
Because simple sugars feed cancer, I advise you to avoid carbohydrates and
sugars in your dog’s diet.
Complex carbohydrates, on the other hand, can be a good source of energy
for your dog’s body while she fights cancer. Oatmeal and brown rice are both
good sources of energy. There is even some evidence that the polysaccharides
in their bran are cancer-fighters! As you’ll see later on, I include both of these
grains in the Dog Cancer Diet."

We were a bit overwhelmed with Dr. D's fresh diet b/c he said frozen veggies were fine to use but then he called for cottage cheese, turkey necks, etc.  I was afraid that some of the fresh ingredients would be hard to keep.  I found another diet developed by Dr. Ogilvie of Colorado State, which was very similar to Dr. D's.  Dr. Ogilvie used the meat portion, but then substituted supplements (crushed and mixed with the meat) for the fresh veggies and cottage cheese/turkey necks, etc.  We did a combination - we used the meats, frozen veggies which were cooked then mushed, and then supplements for the other parts.  We would cook large batches (took about three hours) and then package it into freezer bags of 4-day portions.  This usually lasted us about three weeks (keeping in mind that his diet was also 1/2 kibble).  Each meal would then consist of 1 cup home-cooked, 1 cup kibble and some fresh oatmeal to bind it all together.

Happiest dog ever at mealtime. :)

Zeus was a Husky mix diagnosed with Osteosarcoma at age 11.  A visible lung met and suspicious spot on his liver meant a poor prognosis-six weeks was our vet's best guess. We decided to fight for our boy and his right front leg was amputated on 12/1/11. We did six rounds of chemo, changed his diet and spoiled him completely rotten. We were blessed with 10 great months after diagnosis. Against the odds, the lung met remained a single met and grew very little over those months. A wonderful furbaby with the most gentle spirit, he fought with a strength that we never imagined he possessed. We have no regrets...
http://zeuspod......pawds.com/

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29 March 2014 - 7:18 pm
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zeuspod said
From Dr. Dressler:

"Even dog lovers who feed their dog homemade food often include
carbohydrate-rich potatoes, peas, corn and carrots in their meals. The body
breaks these vegetables down very quickly into simple sugars.
Because simple sugars feed cancer, I advise you to avoid carbohydrates and
sugars in your dog’s diet.
Complex carbohydrates, on the other hand, can be a good source of energy
for your dog’s body while she fights cancer. Oatmeal and brown rice are both
good sources of energy. There is even some evidence that the polysaccharides
in their bran are cancer-fighters! As you’ll see later on, I include both of these
grains in the Dog Cancer Diet."

So you can see why I am overwhelmed by all of this! I am happy to cook for Shelby if I know what I need to cook! This is from her doggy cookbook - and clearly calls for carbs (so that was odd to me). So would fruits be off limits too? She loves her banana slivers ... I could probably make this very easy on myself and cook up a ton of ground turkey/beef, drain it, cook up some veggies and mash them and cook some brown rice and call it a day. She's still getting 1/2 cup of kibble too. I am Paleo so I was always curious about the sweet potatoes/yams being OK since I can't eat rice or oatmeal but I also need some carbs to fuel my long runs and I am not fighting cancer. But I am guessing no more gluten free pasta for le pooch! She loves her carbs too. Thank you again for sharing your extensive wisdom! It's so helpful - really!!! There are so many different rules out there but I think I'll forgo the squashes, potatoes, etc and just keep it green and simple for us. Thankfully Shelby usually will eat the same thing night after night so variety is not an issue for her! 🙂 

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Shelby Lynne; Jack Russell/Shiba Inu mix. Proud member of the April Angels of 2014.

October 15, 2000 to April 8, 2014

Our story: Broke rear leg in June 2013 - non-conclusive results for cancer so leg was plated and pinned. Enlarged spleen in September 2013 and had it removed and was diagnosed with Hemangiosarcoma and started chemotherapy. Became a Tripawd January 8th, 2014 and definitive Hemangiosarcoma diagnosis. Three major surgeries in 7 months and Shelby took them all like a champ only to lose her battle to cancer in her brain. We had 8 amazing extra months together and no regrets. #shelbystrong #loveofmylife

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29 March 2014 - 8:11 pm
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Some carbs are worse than others, for the most part they are a way of bulking up the food inexpensively. Wheat germ doesn't seem bad to me as far as carbs go but I'm not a nutritionist.

PS, the author of your book, Rick Woodford, will be on Tripawd Talk Radio on 4/19 so you can ask him about this!

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29 March 2014 - 8:15 pm
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Honestly?  I would do what makes Shelby happy.  If that is banana and yams, then feed her bananas and yams.  You have to know at this point how many conflicting opinions there are on this roller coaster ride.  Amputate/don't amputate.  Chemo/no chemo.  Etc etc etc.  I think the key is to not have their main diet be carb-loaded.  I can't imagine that treats and/or some special 'yam additives' would make enough of a difference to drastically change her health.

The key here is quality of life.  That applies to mental as well as physical.  You want to make sure that she feels good and that she is happy.  So, if that means giving her a treat of banana chips or a bowl of pasta here and there then I say do it by all means.  We still gave Zeus those fancy dog cookies covered in icing - you know the kind, the ones that you are kinda tempted to sample because they look so delicious.  🙂  Those were his favorite.  Well, those and McD's french fries.

Sadly, we have to keep in mind that our dogs have limited time with us.  I wouldn't hesitate to spoil her and, if you lose a week at the end by doing something that makes her happy for three months then it is a win!

Zeus was a Husky mix diagnosed with Osteosarcoma at age 11.  A visible lung met and suspicious spot on his liver meant a poor prognosis-six weeks was our vet's best guess. We decided to fight for our boy and his right front leg was amputated on 12/1/11. We did six rounds of chemo, changed his diet and spoiled him completely rotten. We were blessed with 10 great months after diagnosis. Against the odds, the lung met remained a single met and grew very little over those months. A wonderful furbaby with the most gentle spirit, he fought with a strength that we never imagined he possessed. We have no regrets...
http://zeuspod......pawds.com/

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29 March 2014 - 9:37 pm
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Agreed!!! It's all about her quality of life and keeping her happy ... she doesn't eat a ton of carbs since I stopped eating them, actually, about a year ago. And yes, I know those cookies! We LOVE those cookies in this house!!! winkerwinkerwinker

again, thank you for all your help ... this has been a really helpful discussion and I really appreciate your taking the time to share your wisdom and snippets of the book.

 

And yes, Rene, I would love to ask some questions when Rick is on! I plan to make his 'liver' treats tomorrow .. blech! Just having cow livers in my fridge makes me want to Lysol the fridge once they are cooked! 🙂 

 

Shelby Lynne; Jack Russell/Shiba Inu mix. Proud member of the April Angels of 2014.

October 15, 2000 to April 8, 2014

Our story: Broke rear leg in June 2013 - non-conclusive results for cancer so leg was plated and pinned. Enlarged spleen in September 2013 and had it removed and was diagnosed with Hemangiosarcoma and started chemotherapy. Became a Tripawd January 8th, 2014 and definitive Hemangiosarcoma diagnosis. Three major surgeries in 7 months and Shelby took them all like a champ only to lose her battle to cancer in her brain. We had 8 amazing extra months together and no regrets. #shelbystrong #loveofmylife

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Shelby you are just too cute! You always bring a smile to my face when I see you basking in the sunshine!!

I just started cooking my own dog food and I wish I'd have seen this thread before I made a HUGE batch. Is this all still true for dogs without cancer? I use bananas and sweet potato's as carbs for myself and was planning on Tanner eating kinda the same as me. This was my first attempt, I used ground chicken, oatmeal, peas/carrots, butternut squash and spinach then I added yogurt and flax seed right before I serve it). I mixed it half/half with his Acana dry dog food which I'm hoping to faze out eventually. I do give him bananas and blueberries for treats. He LOVES frozen banana in his kongs. 

Next time maybe I'll take the oatmeal, peas/carrots out. This is all such great information. Thank you all for sharing what you are cooking up, this has been really helpful. Tanner doesn't have cancer, but I want to do my best to ward off whatever I can and I'm a true believer that food really matters. If I can change his diet and maybe lessen his chances of cancer then thats what I have to do, b/c Im not sure I can go through that again. 

Mom to Tripawd Angels Jake (2001-2014) and Rosco (2012-2015) and Tripawd Tanner. “Whatever happens tomorrow, we had today; and I'll always remember it”  

      

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Elizabeth I agree, food does matter but I think even the most carb-filled homemade food is usually better than anything you can give a dog from a bag as long as the nutrients are in there. I would make Tanner what he loves, try not to worry, you're doing great.

Don't forget to check our nutrition blog folks, lots of great info there about diets :)

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jerry said
Elizabeth I agree, food does matter but I think even the most carb-filled homemade food is usually better than anything you can give a dog from a bag as long as the nutrients are in there. I would make Tanner what he loves, try not to worry, you're doing great.
Don't forget to check our nutrition blog folks, lots of great info there about diets :)

I could not agree more!  The low-carb issue is more about not feeding the cancer cells for our dogs that already have cancer, so I don't think you have to worry about that!  I think your diet sounds fabulous!  There is discussion in the cancer research world that the process used to cook commercial dog food into the hard chunks uses a very high heat concentration which supposedly causes carcinogens that remain in the food and may contribute to cancer development.  By home-cooking, you are even avoiding that!  I would keep in mind the part about digesting veggies and, if you ever add in broccoli or brussel sprouts or any of the veggies that are of a tougher consistency, then try to mush those up so he gets the full benefit.

Good luck!

 

Zeus was a Husky mix diagnosed with Osteosarcoma at age 11.  A visible lung met and suspicious spot on his liver meant a poor prognosis-six weeks was our vet's best guess. We decided to fight for our boy and his right front leg was amputated on 12/1/11. We did six rounds of chemo, changed his diet and spoiled him completely rotten. We were blessed with 10 great months after diagnosis. Against the odds, the lung met remained a single met and grew very little over those months. A wonderful furbaby with the most gentle spirit, he fought with a strength that we never imagined he possessed. We have no regrets...
http://zeuspod......pawds.com/

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