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Hunter update (1 week post amp) and questions about next steps (chemo)
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5 January 2011 - 12:05 pm
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Hi everyone!  Happy New Year!  Today is Hunter's 1 week ampuversary and she is doing remarkably well.  We walk her with a towel sling in case she loses her balance but she doesn't need it - she's hopping around beautifully.  She's not on any meds and other than possibly minor Tramadol withdrawal (noticed some quivering, restlessness the first night after we discontinued it) she seems like her "old" self.  I hope her recovery continues like this.

We received the histopathology report today (confirmed osteoblastic osteosarcoma) so it's time for me to stop procrastinating and make a decision about her treatment.  I think I have it down to three choices - no chemo, chemo, chemo + maintenance therapy.  We are eligible to participate in a clinical trial called "Palladia/Piroxicam/Cyclophosphamide Treatment for Dogs with Osteosarcoma".

Here's is the link to the study info:

http://vet.osu......teosarcoma

My concern about participating in the study has to do with the restrictions, extra time, money and possible discomfort involved.  If we elect to participate in the study, after her normal regimem of Carboplatin, she would transition to maintenance therapy for 8 months.  I don't want her to spend her remaining time with us constantly traveling to the vet for blood work & xrays, taking meds that might have uncomfortable side effects, etc.  On the study she is restricted from many meds and possibly supplements (the tech is going to get more info about which supplements she will be restricted from taking).  And then there is the cost - although we do receive the Carboplatin and possibly one maintenance med for free along with other very small discounts we would ultimately incur more costs for the additional monitoring (exams, bloodwork, xrays) that is required.  If we only did the regimem of Carboplatin without participating in the study there would be far fewer follow-up tests and depending on how she is doing, maybe fewer or no follow up meds.  

I don't want to be restricted from giving her, say glucosamine, if I think she "needs" a certain supplement.  We feed her a homemade raw diet (mostly following the BARF principles) and use different supplements occasionally.  Generally I tend to prefer a holistic approach to health.  Now that she is older, fighting cancer and a tripawd I know we'll want to do everything possible to keep her healthy and comfortable.

Of course we always have the option to change our minds at which point we would be billed for the Carboplatin.  I guess, if we decide to go forward with chemo, we have nothing to lose by electing to participate in the study.  If we change our minds we'll be billed for what we would have paid otherwise had we not participated.  So perhaps cost should not be my primary concern but rather how restricted we will be with regards to her diet and supplements.

Would love to hear your opinions and feedback.  I've looked through the chemo regrets thread and that has been very helpful.

Hunter's Journey

Hunter – 12 yo female Rottie/Lab mix

Diagnosed with a fracture in an osteosarcoma on 12/23/10 (right rear leg)

Amputation on 12/29/10

7-Month Ampuversary on 07/29/11 – clean bill of health, great blood work and clear chest x-rays

Hunter gained her wings and flew free on 08/19/11

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5 January 2011 - 1:29 pm
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When Gus was first diagnsoed, we felt we caught his cancer early. We did do a biopsy which came back negative but the x-rays were looked at by 2 other doctors, one being from OSU, the other a radiology clinic in columbus and both felt cancer was present, so we went through with amputation. From the start I said I wouldn't put him through the chemo, partly with the hopes of having caught it early we would be ok, and I didn't want him to have to deal with the side effects, I also tried to weigh what others here had dealt with, pros and cons, you will find some here haven't done chemo and had excellent results, some have done it and still lost their buddy soon afterwards, others have had chemo and extended life quite well. 6 weeks post we found lung mets, even our vet was surprised at how fast they showed up, so we started the metronomic therapy with prednisone, cytoxin and doxycyline, not sure if they had much effect we lost him 3 1/2 months after the surgery. Did I regret it, no, would I do it the same, not sure. I think you need to consider all the factors, for me number one was quality of life, you know your dog best, so you need to make that determination about how you think he will handle it, although you really don't know until you do it. How much time do you have to dedicate to all that will be involved. Will it burden you financially, chemo isn't cheap, will YOU be able to handle the side effects if Hunter has some, including will you start having guilt issues with having put him through the treatments should he have tough going. Alot of people here have started chemo and quit early for some of those reasons. In a way it's a crap shoot, I don't know if I would have done chemo if Gus would have been around longer, but be able to live with your decision, there is really no time for second guessing, make it and move ahead with it. Trials can offer a treatment you otherwise couldn't afford or have access to, but you know where you stand if you leave early. This whole cancer journey can spin your world faster tnat you ever thought, and it will always be on your mind the rest of Hunters life, the good thing is they don't have a clue they have it. There is never a wrong decision, your making them on what you feel is best for Hunter, we just hope the outcome is what we intended. Paws up, Spirit Gus and Dan  

My buddy Gus had a left front amputation on April 7, 2010 and lived a great life until July 26,2010

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5 January 2011 - 2:03 pm
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Dan answered you very thoroughly and I agree with him in his comments.

I haven't done chemo with my dog.  I considered it BUT she told us it wasn't going to be an option for her.  Two reasons, she was very sick after surgery for 2 weeks going off her food and two, we never found out exactly which type of soft tissue sarcoma she had, so what protocol to use what a crapshoot.

In my heart, I didn't want do it anyways...just my beliefs...as I treat as holistically as possible, as well.

So instead, I turned to my homeopathic vet in North Carolina(I live in Maine - this all can be done on the phone), Dr. Charles Loops.  Maggie has been treated with him since Dec '09.  She takes 3 rotating remedies that he chose for her cancer type.

Go with your heart and what your dog tells you is my opinion 😉

Tracy, Maggie's Mom

Maggie was amputated for soft tissue sarcoma 10-20-09

Maggie lost her battle with kidney disease on 8-24-13

http://maggie.t.....t-24-2013/

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I agree with Dan. Decisions are made based on what you know now & are done out of love for your pet. Skyler had a mast cell tumor on her right rear limb, and had it amputated within 2 days of the diagnosis. We also went ahead with the chemo 2 weeks later when she had her staples out. She was on prednisone and cytoxin and had weekly IV's of vinblastine for an 8 week period. Unfortunately, the cancer had spread and she had also stopped eating and wasn't doing much of anything. We initially thought it was a reaction to the chemo, but it was the cancer. We decided that there was nothing more we could (or would do) for her. She survived only 3 months, but her quality of life was great up to the last week. Would we opt for chemo again? I just don't know, but I can say that we have no regrets. Bottom line, we loved Skyler - and every decision was based on that love.

We're sending you pawsitive thoughts and golden hugs. Please keep us posted on what you'll be doing!

Cathy/Jane/Spirit Skyler/Chloe

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5 January 2011 - 2:17 pm
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I chose to go the holistic route too.  After exchanging a few emails with Tracy (Maggie's Mom) and a few others, I decided to go with Dr. Loops.  I live in southern Indiana.  For me, the thought of chemo didn't sit well and besides I couldn't really afford it.  But I needed to feel that I was helping Roxy fight to the best of my ability.  The holistic remedies are very cheap compared to chemo.  Roxy wasn't diagnosed with osteosarcoma.  She had a mast cell tumor, Grade III, which is also a very aggressive cancer. 

Like everyone has said, just keep your girl in mind and you can't make the wrong decision.

 

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5 January 2011 - 2:40 pm
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It's been said already and I'll just reiterate it: there is no wrong decision at all.

We opted to do chemo for Catie after her osteosarcoma diagnosis and subsequent amputation. Her protocol included a 3-week rotation of chemo medications. She didn't suffer too many side effects: some nausea, lethargy. Side effects were more pronounced after her doxorubicin treatments. We stopped after five because she felt quite ill after the second doxorubicin treatment and we simply didn't want to put her through the third and final one (her therapy was carboplatin; doxorubicin; carboplatin; doxorubicin; carboplatin; doxorubicin).

It's been almost a year now since Catie's amputation. She's done amazingly well. 

Despite the variation in survival, with or without chemo, we chose the chemotherapy route to enhance her odds. It did serious damage to our pocketbooks. It was stressful every three weeks taking her back to the oncologist for another treatment.

Would we do it again?

In a heartbeat, yes.

The only thing I would do differently would be to ask that the chemotherapy protocol only include carboplatin. We hated doxorubicin. It was harsh.

Good luck on making your decision; it will clearly be one made with love for Hunter. And, as Tracy said, go with your heart.

Carmen

Catie -

Birthday – November 4 2003

Amputation – January 13 2010

Crossed the Bridge – June 2 2011

 Catie Caitlin 

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5 January 2011 - 10:04 pm
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Thanks for the update! You may find this Tripawds News blog post from our tour of the CSU Vet Hospital interesting:

Dog Cancer Clinical Trials: What You Need to Know

Tripawds Founders Jim and Rene
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5 January 2011 - 10:10 pm
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It's great to hear that Hunter's doing so well! This makes us all sooooo hoppy!

Hmm...well, I'll share my story about the chemo decision.

When my folks had to decide, we lived 6 hours away from the nearest facility that we trusted (UC Davis) to take good care of me. We could have done it at a local vet's office if they consulted directly with Davis, but most vets where we lived didn't have the kind of experience that made us comfortable. So, instead of choosing to spend so much time traveling back and forth to Davis, we decided chemo wasn't an option.

What we decided to focus on was quality of life. I wanted to eat the things I loved, not be forced to take meds that I hated, and didn't want cancer to rule our world. We promised eachother that no matter what, our priority would be to enjoy life instead of letting cancer take over. The rest of the story can be seen in the PBS show I was in.

It sounds like chemo itself isn't the issue, but rather, how much you want to let the process become a part of your lives?

Yes, clinical trials can be very restrictive. But they can also be incredibly helpful, not just to the dog being cared for, but for future generations. If you think this is something you want to do, why not take the next step to investigate what will or won't be allowed in Hunter's diet and lifestyle, then decide? Weigh all the things she can or can't do while on it, the good versus the bad, and you have your answer.

Hope this helps!

Tripawds Founders Jim and Rene
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5 January 2011 - 11:45 pm
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Congrats to Hunter for the 1st week! 7 Days, 7 Months, 7 Years - we celebrate everything!  She sounds like it is going very well!

 

I hope you get guidance through everyone on the chemo decision.   I don't have a cancer dog so I can't offer any experience.  But I have been here long enough to see how agonizing the decision is.  I don't think I remember anyone regretting not doing it. 

Spirit Opie's mom has said she wished she had taken the money and spent it on a trip with Opie.  And a couple of our friends have ended up very, very sick.

There is no right or wrong answer.  But don't feel pushed into doing it.   Many have and many haven't done chemo.

 

Here's hoping Hunter gets all better really soon! 

Comet's mom

Her Retired AvatarComet - 1999 to 2011

She departed us unexpectedly  January 23, 2011 at the age of 12 1/2.

She was born with a deformed front leg and a tripawd all of her life.

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6 January 2011 - 8:43 am
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Hunter and family,

Miss Cherry underwent a rather aggressive chemotherapy regement which included her first treatment occuring just hours after the amputation, after her body had warmed back up to room temperature. She had a large growth on her kidney as well as the osteosarcoma in her left fore-leg and I truely believe that this aggressive chemotherapy regement was the main reason why we had our additonal 405 days. Having said that, I know that the decision to undergo chemotherapy is not as straight forward as the amputation. In the case of a cancer like Cherry's, the amputation will remove the source of extreme pain, but with the usual risks of surgery and the recovery. However, chemotherapy is not as consistent at holding off the aggressive nature of the cancer. We were lucky that both the osteosarcoma and the growth on the kidney did respond and we had our wonderful 405 days. Miss Cherry lost all appetite during her regement, and I had to stuff nearly 85% of her caloric intake during that time. However, she never really showed signs of nausea, reduced white blood cell counts, or any other complications. As far as cost, well I stopped my accounting at $13,000. There has been great progress during the two years since Cherry finished her chemotherapy but I also know that the cost of the medicines had increased significantly. A great deal of Miss Cherry's cost delt with the increase diagnosis and test has we attempted to determine what exactly was going on within her body.

Having shared our experience base, I will tell you that I agree with all the above comments. That is the problem with chemotheapy regements and medicine as a whole - there is no simple action-reaction. Not all patients respond the same to the exact same condtions. What ever you decide, we know that you will make that decision based upon what you know is best for Hunter and this community will support you through that decision. Personally, I would be afraid that I would not be able to adapt the treatment once I started a clinical trial. However, once we started down the path with Charites, we never diverted from the original plan - accept to deal with the apptite problem.

We want to wish you the very best and send pawsitive thoughts your way,

Spirit Cherry's Dad

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Emily was in a different study at OSU and I just want to let you know that even though we only had ten months with Emily I don't regret the decision to do the drug study. Everyone there treated Emily like the princess she was. We could not have asked for better care for our girl. I had reservations on doing a drug study too but decided to do it for two reasons. Number one was that even if it didn't help Emily it would help future dogs. Secondly, the study was being watched by pediatric oncologist.

As chemo goes OSU is affordable. Emily's treatments were less than $500 each. I can't remember the exact amount.

Where are you from? I live in Westerville so it was convenient for us.

I cannot emphasis enough how wonderful the people at OSU are. If you decide on chemo know that Hunter will get wonderful care. If you would like more info let me know and I will get out Emily's file or you can call me. PM me if you want my number.

Debra

Debra & Emily, a five year old doberman mix, who was diagnosed with an osteosaecoma. She had a right rear leg amputation on May 19, 2009. On November 10, 2009 she earned her wings and regained her fourth leg.

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