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16 April 2012 - 7:29 pm
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Tasha had her front leg amputated on December 29, 2011.  2 weeks after amputation she started chemotherapy.  I enrolled her in a study at NEVOG that did 4 rounds of carboplatin followed by a randomized choice of palladia or cyclophosphamide and piroxicam.  The study lasts for 50 weeks.  Tash has finished her 4 rounds of carboplatin and was randomized for cyclophosphamide and piroxicam.  Long story short, I don't like being part of this study and want to drop out.  I will have to pay back the cost of the carboplatin which is fine.  I hate that I am giving my dog toxins every other day and going for rechecks every three weeks with x-rays, cbc's and chemistry panels.  I feel so trapped by this study and it is expensive as well.  But I want to do everything I can for my dog too.  I am wondering what everyone here did.  I know it's "standard" to have chemo after amputation...but then what?  I want Tasha to enjoy her life and not have to be subjected to this every few weeks.  I just don't get a great feeling with this study or with this practice.  So my questions are what did you do after amputation/chemo?  Am I wrong to stop?  Should I take her to another oncologist?

Tasha was a German ShepherdBorder Collie mix who was diagnosed with OSA at age 8.  On December 29, 2011 she had her front right leg amputated and received 4 rounds of chemo.  Sadly and suddenly Tasha became sick and we discovered she had liver cancer that had spread to her lung.  After almost 19 months, Tasha earned her wings on July 17, 2013. No regrets and never forgotten. 

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16 April 2012 - 7:54 pm
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We did two rounds of chemo -- the first was three years ago.  It was a pretty long protocol, and Rio was punky throughout.  Not sick-sick, but a little nauseous and poopy for a few days after every treatment.  She took support meds to combat the side effects, but I could tell it wore at her to be feeling so off her game.  The most recent chemo protocol was last year, and when we were going through it, I kept saying, this is it -- I'm not subjecting her to any more.  If this doesn't work, we're done.

It didn't work, though, and I pulled one more trick out of the bag -- we went on a daily dose of Kinivet (similar to Palladia, but newer).  I gave it a month to work, then pulled the plug.  It wasn't that we didn't have more options, I just was done putting her through digestive upset, tiredness, etc.  I knew she was on borrowed time, and I wanted her to feel as good as possible for the remainder of the time.

Do I regret any of the treatments?  Yes, actually.  If I were to go back now, I wouldn't do the final round of chemo.  In the end, we got almost an additional year, but she felt pretty punky for a good portion of that time.  I think the main reason I did that second round of chemo was that I wanted to feel I'd given it everything I could to fight the cancer.  I knew that when Rio was gone, I would question everything, and I didn't want to leave a door open for any guilt.  (I tend to beat myself up a lot over stuff I can't control.  Knowing this, I wanted to give myself as few as possible opportunities...whatever)

You're not wrong to question this -- I think we all wonder if it's worth it, given the potential for side effects and the physical and emotional toll it takes on both the pups and the people too.  To me, you can't do the wrong thing -- whatever you decide to do for your dog and your situation is going to be the right thing.  When you get down to the end, you will question (regardless of what you decide to do) whether it was the right decision.  But there is really no wrong choice.  We all want the most time with our pups, but we also want that time to be quality time.  Weigh the pros and cons of both sides of the decision, think about what's best for you and for Tasha (and the rest of your pack), and trust yourself.  That most of all!!! 

Best of luck, and hugs to your pup!

 

Rio's momma, Micki

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~ ~ Rio ~ ~
Forever in my heart...

April 2000 – January 20, 2012
Diagnosed with Mast Cell Cancer in June 2007. Left rear leg amputated Feb. 8, 2011.
Mets discovered Aug. 31, 2011. Read more of Rio's story here.

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16 April 2012 - 9:15 pm
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Oh gosh!  I'm sorry you feel trapped. 

I honestly don't think it's standard to do chemo.  I actually think it's more of an option.  I think the vet industry is trying to make us think it's standard but I honestly don't think it is.  I always say I wouldnt do it and I hope I won't if I am faced with decision.  Because like you said, I would want to enjoy my time left and wouldn't want my dog uncomfortable or sickly and especially stressed from having to go to a vet and sit in a cage. 

But that doesn't make my decision right nor does it make it wrong to do chemo.  I'm just saying for me, I wouldn't do it.  In my mind for the little time you may (or may not) buy doing chemo, you lose time if they are sick from chemo.  And also, there is no real stats proof it works (that I have seen).  Even here, we have had many not do it and lived just as long.  

I may be the dissenting voice, but I do hope that those have chosen to do it get more time, I really really do!  

Spirit Jerry, the tripawd.com owner's dog and spokesperson here didn't do chemo.

I hope you find your answers.  Good luck.

Her Retired AvatarComet - 1999 to 2011

She departed us unexpectedly  January 23, 2011 at the age of 12 1/2.

She was born with a deformed front leg and a tripawd all of her life.

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16 April 2012 - 10:55 pm
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Here is what we did with Abby: we did IV chemo (carbo) and then MP afterwards. At first the MP was cytoxan/Piroxicam one day and Palladia the next. We did that for 3 months but had to stop the Palladia because of GI issues, but we continued with the cytox/Piroxicam after and also added in artemisinin . Abby never had any problems with the MP (once we stopped the Palladia that is) and most dogs don't have any issues with it. Abby also went in for blood work or X-rays at a rate of about once a month, but she LOVED her oncologist and all the folks at the office and they treated her like a rock star, so she loved to go to her appointments.

I had a major meldown part way through all that and wondered if we'd made the wrong choices and should have gone hollistic all along. I came here and freaked out and got advice from folks and then decided to try our "halflistic" approach (a word I made up cuz we weren't going wholly hollistic).

I think it is pretty normal to wonder if you are doing the right things. Since she is done with the carbo, the worst of the side effects should definitely be over. Is she doing ok on the MP? Does she hate going to the appointments? If Abby had hated going to the onc, I definitely would have taken a different route. You need to do what you think is best for her, not just in terms of possible outcomes but also in terms of quality ofr whatever amount of time you might have remaining (which is hopefully lots!). It's definitely not wrong to consider stopping. Lots of dogs have done well with no chemo. Not sure going to another onc would help though... He or she would probably suggest a similar path to what the study is doing.

If you want to PM me about any of the supplements we did with Abby, feel free.

Best of luck with your decision. Keep us posted,
Jackie, angel Abby's mom

Abby: Aug 1, 2009 – Jan 10, 2012. Our beautiful rescue pup lived LARGE with osteosarcoma for 15 months – half her way-too-short life. I think our "halflistic" approach (mixing traditional meds + supplements) helped her thrive. (PM me for details. I'm happy to help.) She had lung mets for over a year. They took her from us in the end, but they cannot take her spirit! She will live forever in our hearts. She loved the beach and giving kisses and going to In-N-Out for a Flying Dutchman. Tripawds blog, and a more detailed blog here. Please also check out my novel, What the Dog Ate. Now also in paperback! Purchase it at Amazon via Tripawds and help support Tripawds!

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17 April 2012 - 9:44 am
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I think that if your instincts are telling you this isn't right, then you need to listen to them. 

Chemo is the veterinary community's standard protocol for treating the disease. And the statistics and studies we have seen all provide evidence that dogs have a better chance for living longer if they go through it. However, keep in mind that it's a chance not a guarantee that they will live longer with it. Like life itself, nothing is guaranteed. Many Tripawds here have lived long hoppy lives without chemo (some, like Eisen, an osteo dog, has thrived for four years and is still counting!)

Chemo isn't necessarily standard for the pet parents in this world. When it comes to the Tripawds community, our surveys have shown us that about half of the folks here do chemo and half do not. And a small amount stop treatments before they're over. There are many reasons why this happens; either they don't like how their dog is reacting, the cost, or the complications.

Please don't think that you are being a bad person by even thinking about dropping out; you won't be alone there and nobody will question your love for your Tripawd. The thing about chemo is, you can always stop. It's entirely up to you, and while veterinary oncologists are committed to a dog's quality of life, only you know Tasha better than anyone else and know if it's right or wrong for her.

As for me, Comet is right...my folks opted out of chemo for my treatment when I was diagnosed in 2006. It was six hours to the closest treatment center we would consider going to (UC Davis in California) and spending all that time away from the things I loved just didn't appeal to our pack. Later, I tried metronomic chemotherapy (an at-home, low dose chemo which may be an option for Tasha), and we believe it helped extend my quality of life. We don't regret the decision to not do chemo, but we wouldn't rule it out if we had to deal with cancer again (sure hope not!). All dogs are different, and chemo isn't a one-size-fits-all option.

I hope this helps you decide. 

Tripawds Founders Jim and Rene
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17 April 2012 - 10:17 am
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The single most important thing I've learned as the mom of a tripawd with cancer is GO WITH YOUR GUT FEELING.  My mistakes have always been made when I've ignored my gut feelings. If your gut tells you it's time to stop, then drop out of the study. 

50 weeks is an awfully long time, and if you and Tasha are not happy, then why would you want to put yourselves through this for 50 weeks?  As others have pointed out, while chemo is the standard in many cases, many tripawds do well without it-- it's quality of life that matters.

-Catherine

Scout: January 31, 2002 to November 7, 2011

Scout's diagnosis was "poorly differentiated sarcoma"; amputation 1/11/2011.  Scout enjoyed 9 fantastic years on 4 legs and 9 glorious months on 3 legs.  If love alone could have saved you…

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17 April 2012 - 10:24 am
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ksplaine said
 I just don't get a great feeling with this study or with this practice. 

The above sentence says it all to me.  If you are not comfortable then by all means don't go along with it.  You have done four rounds of carbo - that is significant! I am also considering the same clinical trial (it sounds like it) for my Charlie.  I will be ready to drop out at any moment if he or I become uncomfortable with it.  You know what is best for Tasha - trust yourself.


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17 April 2012 - 11:17 am
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The cyclophosphamide and piroxicam are part of metronomic chemotherapy .  If you want your dog to continue the meds but not the study (frequent blood draws, xrays, etc) then your regular vet may be able to help you with that.  If you don't want to give your dog the drugs then by all means stop.

Pam 

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17 April 2012 - 12:58 pm
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I'm with Catherine when she says follow your gut feelings.  When my dog got amputated, I contemplated chemo for her, even though, in my heart, I didn't fully agree with it...in the end, though, Maggie helped me with the decision of not doing chemo with her and we have gone the homeopathic route with Dr. Charles Loops(who also is Eisen's vet)...

50 weeks...wow, that sure is a long time...wow...

Good luck with your decisions...listen to your gut and your pup..they'll never fail you.  winker

Tracy, Maggie's Mom

Maggie was amputated for soft tissue sarcoma 10-20-09

Maggie lost her battle with kidney disease on 8-24-13

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17 April 2012 - 5:34 pm
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Thanks so much everyone for the advice.  You were all right...you need to go with your gut!  And my gut said get out of the study.  I called NEVOG and told them we were dropping out of the study.  They were very nice about it and asked if I wanted to continue with MP or just stop chemo all together.  I told them I wasn't sure and they offered two options; start MP in the upcoming week or two or wait 6 weeks, come in for a recheck and take it from there.  I went with the 6 week recheck.  Of course they immediately asked for the $600 back that covered the cost of the carboplatin for four sessions. 

I always have dogs like Jerry or Eisen in the back of my mind and how long they have lived without chemo.  So far so good for Tash with no signs of mets.  I am just going to keep on letting her enjoy the things she does, spoil her rotten and deal with anything when it comes. 

50 weeks is a really long time.  At the time, the study seemed like a great idea.  But the reality of going every 2-3 weeks for a CBC, UA, X-Rays, chem panel and exam just was too much. 

Tasha was a German ShepherdBorder Collie mix who was diagnosed with OSA at age 8.  On December 29, 2011 she had her front right leg amputated and received 4 rounds of chemo.  Sadly and suddenly Tasha became sick and we discovered she had liver cancer that had spread to her lung.  After almost 19 months, Tasha earned her wings on July 17, 2013. No regrets and never forgotten. 

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17 April 2012 - 9:26 pm
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You sound so relieved! Good for you for following your heart. No matter what happens next you know that you made the best decision for Tasha and your pack. 

Tripawds Founders Jim and Rene
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