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6 January 2012 - 7:17 pm
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justjac said:

It turns out that he has 4 mets… small, average, what?

Jerry's oncologist explained to us how dogs can manage better than people with much lesser lung capacity. Jerry lived a happy life until the mints had consumed one full lung and nearly 70% of the other. He just progressively tired easier, but didn't show serious signs of discomfort until the end.

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6 January 2012 - 8:21 pm
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I’m sorry for your news….it’s so difficult! Our Sam also developed mets while on chemo….in a 6 week span he went from 0 to 12 mets….and then over the next 6 weeks they doubled both in number and size. We continued to move forward with treatments and shifted our thinking from keeping mets away to now trying to slow down what was there and minimize new growth. Similar to Jerry, Sam also progressively got more tired but didn’t show discomfort….not even a little. When the mets appeared, gven the number that showed up while on chemo, she thought he had about 8 weeks…..we had him for 17 weeks and treated every day as a gift! We put him on prednisone when his breathing started to get real heavy (last 8 weeks) and then his last 10 days we added a cough suppressant. Hang in there – we’re thinking of you! Xo Sue

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6 January 2012 - 10:46 pm
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I’m sorry you are dealing with lung mets. I didn’t have this to deal with, we had a second cancer. I know what a blow this is.
But while Spencer is still here there is still hope. Lung mets usually progress, but no one can tell you how fast. Let Spencer lead the way, he will go on living his Spencer life, he doesn’t know or care that he is sick.

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6 January 2012 - 10:49 pm
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So, so sorry to hear about the lung mets. Lylee had Carboplatin 6 treatments and had minimal side effects mainly lethargy and slightly off her food (we gave her Cerenia for nausea for 3 days after each treatment).

Sending huge hugs

joanne & lylee

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6 January 2012 - 10:53 pm
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I am so sorry to hear about Spencer's mets.  I don't know if this will help because my dog has hemangiosarcoma, not osteosarcoma, but our oncologist was able to shrink Percy's mets using a combination of vinorelbine and carboplatin.  I think she said that vinorelbine is supposed to have better penetration into the lungs.  We went to that treatment after status quo on doxorubicin and an increase in mets on carboplatin alone.

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I am so sorry to hear about Spencer's mets.  I don't know if this will help because my dog has hemangiosarcoma, not osteosarcoma, but our oncologist was able to shrink Percy's mets using a combination of vinorelbine and carboplatin.  I think she said that vinorelbine is supposed to have better penetration into the lungs.  We went to that treatment after status quo on doxorubicin and an increase in mets on carboplatin alone.

Thanks for that suggestion!  Spencer actually has fibrosarcoma rather than osteo (a soft tissue sarcoma).  I'm going to call and ask on Tuesday about also doing the vinorelbine…

It is tough because I wasn't there in the office.  I definitely need to get into the office to talk with the vet.

Jac and Angel Spencer.  Spencer was 5.25 years old. He fought a grade 3 fibrosarcoma, started on his shoulder.  Left front leg amputated in August 2011.  15 weeks of chemo finished 12/22/11 (mytox and adria).  Lung mets found on x-rays 12/28/11.  Started carboplatin 1/6/12. Went to Heaven on 2/27/12. I miss him like crazy every day.  See his blog here:  http://spencer.tripawds.com/

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8 January 2012 - 9:06 am
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Sorry to hear that Spencer has lung mets.  This news is never easy to swallow.  My golden Mackenzie was diagnosed with lung mets after her carboplatin treatments.  I was devastated to say the least but knowing what I know now, there is life after lung mets for sure.   We did the metronomic treatment which included palladia which was very effective in managing the growth of the lung mets.  When we lost her, it wasn't due to the lung mets as it turned out.  As Jerry said, dogs can live for a long time with lung mets.  Mackenzie had osteosarcoma so the palladia was effective for treating this type of cancer, not so sure about fibrosarcoma but you might want to ask your vet about this.  It was expensive but it gave us several more months.  

So just know that dogs with lung mets can lead very healthy lives for awhile and when I look back, we had some really great months despite the lung mets.  

Best of luck to you and Spencer.   We'll keeping you in our thoughts. 

Kami and Angel Mackenzie

My sweet golden Mackenzie.  She became my angel on Dec 29, 2010 at the age of 8 1/2  although she was always my angel from the time we brought her home.  She was diagnosed with osteosarcoma in Sept 2009 and officially became a tripawd (front leg) on Nov 5, 2009.  She will be forever in my heart and now she's running free with all of our other tripawd heroes.  I love you Mackenzie!

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8 January 2012 - 12:07 pm
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Well, I'm arriving pretty late to your post, but maybe I'll have something useful to say – let's see…

Yoda was on carboplatin (every 3 weeks, I think) for his osteosarcoma from the start.  He got mets while on it, but just depends on the dog and the cancer and who knows what else, so paws crossed for you that it'll have a better effect for Spence!  On the plus side, Yoda had very little trouble.  He did have some vomiting after… I think it was the second treatment, maybe the third, but the vet had sent us home with a med called Cerenia which gets rid of that real quick.  Yoda also seemed to eventually have an allergic reaction to the carboplatin that caused his eyes to ooze quite a bit of mucus, but some eye drops or cream (I'm forgetting which it was at the moment) cleared that right up.  Yoda's oncologist had never seen that reaction before.

Yoda unfortunately had issues with his lung mets bursting, which eventually led to the decision to euthanize in our case.  Hopefully you won't have to deal with that, but just to give you a head's up on what symptoms you might see if that happens: Yoda would cough up some blood (that alone is not necessarily an emergency if it's a just a little bit), he wouldn't be able to get comfortable (kept getting up and laying down over and over), and when he had a really bad burst his gums turned very pale and he had trouble getting his breath.  Pale gums are definitely something to rush to the vet over, so I recommend making a mental note of what color Spencer's gums normally look like.

Yoda also struggled a bit with nausea/loss of appetite towards the end.  I learned from his oncologist that it's fairly common that they'll have a certain time of day that is better or worse for their appetite and to try to determine when those times are so you can get him fed when his tummy is feeling best.  The anti-nausea drugs didn't always do the trick at that point.

Now that I've gone over some scary stuff, which hopefully is a long long long way off (like never) – lung mets aren't the end of the world.  Really!  Yoda was still quite active and happy for most of his time left between when his mets first showed up on the x-ray and when I had to let him go.  In fact, in his last week, he caught a rabbit in the backyard!

Best wishes for Spence to shrink those mets!

Yoda&Mom united: 9/5/06 …….… Yoda&Leg separated: 6/5/09……… Yoda&Leg reunited: 10/14/09 ……… ……………….………….………….……. Yoda&Mom NEVER separated! …………………….….……....….…… Though Spirit Yoda currently free-lances as a rabbit hunting instructor for tripawds nationwide

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8 January 2012 - 2:51 pm
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Sending good thoughts to Spencer.  I don't have any advice because I've never been through it. 

My experience has just been on tripawds for 2 years.  And since I don't have any experience I wouldn't want to discourage you from doing chemo if that is what you have decided.  But we have seen dogs here live comfortably just on prednisone for several months with mets.

Whatever you decide will be the right. 

 Again, sending Spencer very good thoughts.   

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She departed us unexpectedly  January 23, 2011 at the age of 12 1/2.

She was born with a deformed front leg and a tripawd all of her life.

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8 January 2012 - 10:56 pm
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I did ask about prednisone since that was the main thing that we did with our last doberman (the one who got straight up lung cancer).  The oncologist dicouraged prednisone , I can't remember all of it; but he said it wouldn't have much of an effect other than making Spence pee a lot and drink tons of water.way-confused  I do think on Tuesday (first day the oncologist will be back in the office) I'm going to call to see if I can schedule a time to come in and talk about everything and look at the x-rays.  I just want to make sure we are doing the best thing…

Jac and Angel Spencer.  Spencer was 5.25 years old. He fought a grade 3 fibrosarcoma, started on his shoulder.  Left front leg amputated in August 2011.  15 weeks of chemo finished 12/22/11 (mytox and adria).  Lung mets found on x-rays 12/28/11.  Started carboplatin 1/6/12. Went to Heaven on 2/27/12. I miss him like crazy every day.  See his blog here:  http://spencer.tripawds.com/

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9 January 2012 - 9:14 am
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We also saw Dr. Hamilton and really liked him. You're in great hands!

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10 January 2012 - 10:44 am
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We are sorry of read of Spencer's newest issue.  Sounds like Spencer is fighting the good fight and you guys are doing all the right things with emphasis on quality of time…

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You'll be in our thoughts and prayers. 

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