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Chapter One – Greta’s osteosarcoma
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24 March 2014 - 3:34 pm
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Hello and thank you for reading chapter 1 of Greta’s story. On Monday, March 3, 2014, I noticed my five year old Terrier-Schnauzer mix (that’s what she looks like to me anyway and yes, that is her in my profile pic) was having a problem with her back left leg. At the time she could not put very much pressure on it and was using intermittingly but there was obviously something going on. The first thing I thought was I hope she didn’t tear that thing that will force me to crate her and have to fork out a lot of money. She’s never been crated and I don’t think she would handle that very well. She is very active, there are 2 other dogs in the house and she likes to keep busy. I was hoping it was a sprain that would soon go away. It didn’t.

We went to see the vet that Saturday who took an x-ray and concluded it was likely a partial ACL tear. We went home with Rimadyl and were going to wait for it to go away. It didn’t and as a matter of fact had gotten worse. I cannot explain this but I never thought it was an ACL tear. I have absolutely no basis for this thought and no experience but the way she held the leg up and back didn’t seem like a comfortable position for a ligament tear. She couldn’t put any pressure on it at all at this point.  We went back this past Saturday, March 22, 2014. This time the thought was it had probably gone from a partial to full tear. About half way into the exam I had remembered the vet saying something about 90% chance of ACL tear so I asked what the 10% was. I’m a little foggy but I believe he said bone tumor. So we decided on a second x-ray to see if anything had changed. Wow, I would pay a lot of money to be able to go back in time and have him walk back in that room and say ‘yeah, it’s was a partial tear and now it’s full.’ But, he didn’t. He said ‘this isn’t what I was hoping to see’ and delivered the bad news that Greta had a bone tumor.

I agreed to have the x-ray sent to a radiologist for opinion who concurred but could not say it wasn’t a fungal infection. I completely expect any vet or physician to cover their butts when unable to base a diagnosis on solid test results. I’ve read enough about bone infections in dogs to be comfortable skipping a biopsy for confirmation. I’ve also read how painful the biopsy is.

So my plan is to amputate and treat holistically as follow up due to the higher cost of chemotherapy but mostly because of the miserable side effects and some good outcome stories I've read about dogs treated holisticaly. I’m following my gut which tells me that her outcome is not going to be significantly different enough, if even at all, to debate the two approaches. Her amputation is scheduled for next Monday, March 31, 2014.

I will soon post my drug treatment plan once I have completed it.

Thanks again for reading and caring and thank you to the moderator who suggested I start my own thread so you could meet my pup and learn her story.

PS - I should mention how I got here. After spending many hours with my friend Google, I stumbled across a thread on this website titled 'Holistic approach to Osteosarcoma', which provides an awesome plan for holistic treatment of osteosarcoma and has alot of what I had already found and was planning to implement.

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24 March 2014 - 5:01 pm
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Hi there and welcome!

 

Your story sounds SOOO much like ours! Cody was diagnosed with a partial ACL tear almost a year ago and when we thought he finally tore it we took him in. Turns out he did have some ACL damage but that's not why he wasn't using it... yupp bone tumor. UGH that is the worst news ever so I get where your coming from! We also chose not to do chemotherapy due mostly to cost, we just couldn't swing it after the surgery. We decided to do homeopathy, a bath similar to holistic only a bit more complicated... we have remedies sent to us in the mail from Dr. Charles Loops out of NC. He does phone consultations and then sends you the mixed remedies with detailed instructions and a list of supplements that he recommends for you dog. He has some great success stories as well. If your interested he does a free 5 minute consult for new patients so you can just check him out and see if you like what he says. Good luck on your journey and keep us all posted!

 

Cody and Family

Cody is our 7 year old Australian Heeler mix boy. Diagnosed on 2/20/14 and became a tripawd 2/21/14! We chose a homeopathic approach and he is being treated by Dr. Loops our of NC.

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24 March 2014 - 5:50 pm
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Thank you, Cody and Family. I will check Dr. Loops out. How is Cody doing? One thing I haven't researched yet is what types of follow-up tests are done as check-ups, ie xrays every 3 months, etc....

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Hi there! We are so sorry you've been through such a rough time and found yourself in this place, but you're an awesome advocate and I can tell you've done your research so you will definitely be prepared for what's next. Sounds like you've already checked out Jerry's Required Reading List ?

Did they say what kind of bone tumor they think it is? As you know that will determine the holistic course of action. Either way, we understand that making the choice between holistic and traditional treatment is such a personal thing, and we will support you no matter which path you take.

Good luck in preparing your home and pack for the big surgery day. If you have any questions at all please let us know, you have a pawesome community here ready to help.

Tripawds Founders Jim and Rene
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25 March 2014 - 11:58 am
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He is soooooo cute!! I can tell he's a frisky fella' and thatis a wonderful trait to jave on this journey! I can't wait to see more pictures and hear more about him.

I cannot say enough about what a wonderful advocate you are for your pup!! You are sooooooo tuned i to him! You listened toyour inner voice and followed your heart! In situations like yours, ost dogs woldhave been treated for several more months for ACL.

You know your dog...you known you...and you ave selected a path that is msde outmof loveand tht is AWAYS the right choice!

Recovery is opicnic so plesse stay connected tomus. You are not alone, okay??

Sending lots of hugs snd positive healing energy!

Sally snd Happy Hannah

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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25 March 2014 - 12:59 pm
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Jerry:

I had not checked out Jerry's Required Reading List so thanks so much for the link. There is so much information there I'm going to need the weekend. I've already seen things I hadn't come across in my research like raised feeding bowls and harnesses.

 

Angela:
 I have an appointment with Dr. Loops tomorrow! smiley

 

Sally:

Thank you for your kind words.

 

Greta's Tramadol dosage is listed at 1 1/2 - 2 tablets twice per day. I started her at 1 1/2 but she seemed to be in pain so I up'd it to 2 last night. Poor panting thing. I now need to research to see if the panting is ok or not ok. I'm so worried that the one week and 2 days between diagnosis and amputation is allowing that nasty stuff to travel through her bloodstream more than we would have liked. way-confused

 

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Welcome! My girl, Shelby, is also a rear amp. She came to by way of a broken and repaired leg subsequent spleen removal and now, eventual, amputation. She is almost 3 months in and doing great!!! She has a different kind of cancer (hemangiosarcoma) and we also presented with fungal like symptoms. It's been a rocky road for us but they do thrive and do so well. Jerry's reading was a huge help to me in the beginning as were/are these forums. 

 

Best of luck and please keep us posted!!! We are here to help!

 

Alison and Shelby 

Shelby Lynne; Jack Russell/Shiba Inu mix. Proud member of the April Angels of 2014.

October 15, 2000 to April 8, 2014

Our story: Broke rear leg in June 2013 - non-conclusive results for cancer so leg was plated and pinned. Enlarged spleen in September 2013 and had it removed and was diagnosed with Hemangiosarcoma and started chemotherapy. Became a Tripawd January 8th, 2014 and definitive Hemangiosarcoma diagnosis. Three major surgeries in 7 months and Shelby took them all like a champ only to lose her battle to cancer in her brain. We had 8 amazing extra months together and no regrets. #shelbystrong #loveofmylife

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PS - the panting might be from the Tramadol. It makes them loopy... Shelby was psycho on Tramadol so we had to wean her off earlier than most ... but it's a pretty strong narcotic and dogs don't get it when they are 'high' (for lack of a better word) so that might be the panting.

 

Panting is also pain so I would check w/your vet! 🙂 

 

Shelby now pants only when she doesn't get her way since I babied her SO much without realizing in the beginning that if I try and end our walks early, she will visibly pout and pant ... she is no longer in pain, as far as I know; just a drama queen! 

Shelby Lynne; Jack Russell/Shiba Inu mix. Proud member of the April Angels of 2014.

October 15, 2000 to April 8, 2014

Our story: Broke rear leg in June 2013 - non-conclusive results for cancer so leg was plated and pinned. Enlarged spleen in September 2013 and had it removed and was diagnosed with Hemangiosarcoma and started chemotherapy. Became a Tripawd January 8th, 2014 and definitive Hemangiosarcoma diagnosis. Three major surgeries in 7 months and Shelby took them all like a champ only to lose her battle to cancer in her brain. We had 8 amazing extra months together and no regrets. #shelbystrong #loveofmylife

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Welcome, thanks for sharing your story.

How much does Greta weigh?  Just for reference two of my pugs who have been on tram (one amp, one knee surgery) were on a quarter of a 50 mg tram 2 to 3 times a day.  Maggie weighed about 17 pounds and Obie weighs about 16 pounds.  Maggie was agitated on tram, you couldn't really tell any difference when Obie was taking it.

 

Mag was also a rear amp and adapted fine after pouting for about 6 weeks.  She was a stubborn pug who did not do well with changes to her routine. She had mast cell cancer.

 

Karen

Tri-pug Maggie survived a 4.5 year mast cell cancer battle only to be lost to oral melanoma.

1999 to 2010

 

              Maggie's Story                  Amputation and Chemo

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Greta weighs 54 lbs. I started her on 1.5 50mg tablets twice a day on Saturday and increased to 2 tablets last night because she seemed to be in pain. Admittedly I wasn't sure if she was in pain or if she was drowsy from the new pain med but she does seem better on the 2 tablets. I called the vet today and she didn't like the panting and offered to prescribe gabapentin or said I could decrease the tramadol back to 1.5 and give every 6 hours (as opposed to every 12 hours). I have decided to see how she does this evening on the 2 tramadol and if she is the same I'll get the gabapentin tomorrow.

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1 April 2014 - 6:59 pm
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Greta is now an official member of the amputee club as of 3:00 pm pst today. Vet said surgery went fine. I guess the fun begins tomorrow when she gets home.

 

The surgery was originally scheduled for yesterday but the pre-op blood work showed something funky with her liver. Vet did an ultrasound and the liver was fine but the gallbladder was enlarged and there was something behind it. He wanted an opinion from a radiologist to confirm his thought that it was not cancer. Since the radiologist wasn't available until last night the surgery was postponed until today. Last night was tough because Greta was clearly uncomfortable and that was the first time I had seen her that way. She could not get into a comfortable position and I believe she was trying to escape the pain. I attribute that pain to her getting no pain meds yesterday (she did get Rimadyl but not the Tramadol she had been on for a week) while she was at the vet. I gave her pain meds as soon as she got home but I don't think it helped much. She did seem to sleep ok once we went to bed.

 

I think the trick tomorrow will be keeping her from jumping on the couch which is what she is used to doing in the house. I bought a baby crib mattress on Sunday and put it down but she never even noticed it was there so I'm not optimistic that she is going to use it.

 

Dr. Loops protocol will start tomorrow.

 

Greta has always been raw fed. For about 3 days prior to surgery she wouldn't eat her RMBs and I believe it was because she was uncomfortable standing. Anyone here have that same experience? If so, did they start to eat them again after surgery?

 

Thanks for reading.

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Okay, so sirgery is over and all went well!! YAAY! So what did the Radiologist say about the lover-bladder? And could for the Surgeon for being so diligent and seeing any potettial red flags!

It makes sense Greta didn't want to eat if she was in pain. You may also find that ro be the case when she first comes home for a day or so.

I'm so glad you are able to get that pa ful leg reoved. Certainly recovery is not picnic at first, ut it does get better!

Love the bab crib idea! Hopefuly Greta will learn to like it.

Trh and get a good oght's sleep to ight...it may be a little rough gong the next few days and nights!
Glad you're in touch with Dr. Loops and I hope you fnd a great protocol for Greta!

Surrou dingyo with healing hugs snd a few Hershey's Candy Bars!

Sallh and Happy Hannah

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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2 April 2014 - 7:56 am
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Good luck to you and Greta. Hopefully she will bounce back quickly from the surgery as most of the amputees seem to do. Being pain free will be a plus for her and no doubt she will be back to enjoying her food again in no time.

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2 April 2014 - 8:34 am
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Yay Greta, you made it! Thank you for the update, we're glad to hear things went well. I can imagine the pain you were in without getting your Tramadol, owwwwww.

Our Jerry was raw fed before and after diagnosis, and yes, his appetite was severely decreased when he was in pain and on Tramadol and other drugs. Once he was off them completely he tore apart those meaty bones like nopawdy's business!

Good luck with your homecoming today, let us know how it goes.

Tripawds Founders Jim and Rene
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Thanks everyone. Greta is doing great when she isn't bumping into everything with her cone. I haven't tried to feed her anything yet besides a couple of biscuits and some canned mackerel for her meds. I'll post later after I've prepared her dinner. She seems completely back to normal already with the exception of some whimpering because she can't get at those stitches!!!

Thank the stars above for amputations!!! Let the next fight begin!!!

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