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8 year old Great Pyrenees just diagnosed
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27 July 2023 - 9:12 am
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Last night and this morning have been especially emotionally difficult.  First, seeing Whitney lose Ellie so suddenly to this cancer as she had just been in the midst of planning out their trip for the next medical intervention and doing such an amazing job turning a negative into a positive was heartbreaking.  Not only do I feel horrible for the pain she must be in right now, but it's also a stark reminder that this cancer can act quickly.... no matter how many hurdles we jump through trying to keep them living a good quality of life for as long as possible.   The incidents I've seen where it hits the spine are really troubling.  We all pay attention to those chest X-rays yet Dr.'s don't really monitor the spine and, from what I've read, it'd be difficult to pick something up there even if they did.  I feel like I could be where Whitney is right now at any time and I'm not ready.  I guess I'll never be ready.

Honor has also been favoring his good leg.  Every since the running incident, things just have not gone back to that peak level of improvement he had.  If anything, I feel like there is a gradual slide downward whereas we were supposed to see continued improvement up to the 2 week mark after radiation.  Things aren't back to being as bad as they were before I brought him in for the radiation, but they are more similar to how he was doing after that first zoledronate infusion and I'm worried they may continue going downhill.  That is, of course, putting the amputation question back in the front of my mind whereas I had hoped so badly for at LEAST 4 months reprieve of having to make that decision.  I dared even hope for more, but 4 months was the lowest I had set the bar.  We are only out 1 week.  I have now also lost the ability to do any vaccines that require live tumor cells.   I am now stuck in the "WHAT IF" my husband had been more careful and the running didn't happen.  How much better might he be doing right now?  How much better might I also be doing if I could have continued to enjoy seeing him be so happy?

Add to that, I got an email last night that all of the amenities (tennis courts, basketball court etc. at our neighborhood lake (which has become our new daily morning outing)  are going to be under complete demolition and reconstruction for the next 3 months starting July 31.  This removes at least 3/4 of the walking area I had been using for Honor and essentially all of the flat ground.  We can still go sit out at the front of the lake but it certainly isn't going to be quiet anymore and we have to go down and up a hill with very little level ground for walking.  There may be limited parking for me to be able to get him down the ramp since the lower parking lot will be taken up by construction vehicles and everyone using the fitness center and pool will be parking in the limited spots in the upper lot where I normally get him out.  I've lived in this neighborhood for 20 years and this has to happen now of all times?!  Trying to think of other places we could go, but it's difficult because any I can think of have the possibility of other dogs around and maybe, even worse, off leash dogs (even though they aren't supposed to be).  Honor has never handled other dogs approaching him well and we've had several scary instances over the years even in our own neighborhood where dogs have been loose and come after us.  Several little dogs which poor Honor was very patient with as they nipped at his legs and the owners took far too long to round them up but also some larger dogs.  When it's larger dogs, he feels like he needs to protect me. One time, one lady was walking 2 large dogs and they got out of her hand and went charging after him.  He growled and pounced on one of them and I was stuck trying to restrain him on  the leash while she and her husband ran over to get the dogs.  At any rate, he is wary of some other dogs  now (with good reason) and I'm especially trying to avoid any incidents under these circumstances and now that he'll be doing chemo.

Speaking of which, first chemo is this afternoon.  Kind of wondering where this puts us if we are doing chemo now and we end up having to amputate far sooner than imagined since chemo is supposed to be after amputation but I'll ask.  Any other tips or questions I should ask?  Is it better for a dog to eat or not eat beforehand or no difference?  I was leaning towards not having him eat just in case they want to X-ray his wrist after I let them know about the running incident and subsequent not doing so well.  

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27 July 2023 - 9:40 am
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Just a quick pop in as far as the chemo. I was never given any Specific Instructions about eating or not eating and my happy continued with her meals as normal the day of chemo.

I do know oncologist now are starting to give chemo at the time of amputation rather than waiting the two or three weeks that has been the normal protocol. Depending on the type of cancer I think some chemos have been started prior to the amputation itself. But that is a question you can ask the oncologist today.

 

Will check in later and see how the chemo went and see if you got answers to your questions, and also to see how you were doing.♥️

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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27 July 2023 - 10:11 am
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As you've experienced, this can be a hard place to be, especially when you are in the middle of your own cancer fight with your dog. There are so many difficult emotions that come up when one of our own lose their Tripawd to cancer. It makes sense you feel the way you do, we get it. i think the thing to keep in mind is that every dog is unique in so many ways, and that comes down to their cancer and how it acts in the body.

Spinal mets are always a possibility but in the big picture of what we see here in our little corner of the universe, it doesn't happen as often as the amount of dogs who go on to live with cancer and not have them. The only real way to know if the spinal mets happen are through a CT scan (or MRI, can't recall which), and due to cost most people don't have that diagnostic done either at the time of amputation or afterward. It's worth asking your oncologist about though, for your own peace of mind. Let us know what they say. Oh also see:

https://tripawd.....ncologist/

Sorry to hear about the construction happening where you live. Ugh! So much for summer relaxation. Just try to find new things to do with Honor that don't require getting out into that area. Remember that interactive brain games are really helpful and strengthen bonds between us and our pets.

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27 July 2023 - 12:32 pm
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I hope the biggest takeaway from what happened with Ellie is just to be grateful for every single day, because you're right no matter how much you do/plan/pray none of it will be long enough, and you will never be able to count on any of the projections given. you can do all the what ifs you'd like and be really upset at your husband (I would be too to be honest), but that gives the illusion that you're in control of what happens.  making sound educated decisions for Honor is one thing, but you will need to let go that you can control any of the outcomes.  

Maybe we both need to watch Finding Nemo the scene jumping to my mind at the moment is where Marvin says "I promised I would never let anything happen to him!" and Dora replies "that's a funny thing to promise. well you can't never let anything happen to him, then nothing would ever happen to him.  not much fun for little Harpo"

I know context is everything, but just a thought.

I empathize with the being fearful to walk where unleashed dogs may be.  I know I've seen people carry compressed air with them, that works really well to interrupt dogs running up to yours without the possibility of causing any harm.  Another tip I've used before is throwing a handful of treats right at the dogs face. the little pellets hitting the dog usually makes them stop, and then they realize there is food and go for it giving you some time to get distance or for the stupid owner to get control. 

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27 July 2023 - 1:18 pm
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  but that gives the illusion that you're in control of what happens.  making sound educated decisions for Honor is one thing, but you will need to let go that you can control any of the outcomes. 

As always Whitney, words of wisdom. 

We can only control how we react to the circumstances thrown our way.  .  And in the case of our dogs to react in a way that takes us away from being fully present is so destructive and disrespectful  to whatever time we have left.   Our dogs give us enlightened  life lessons as only a Wise Sage can.  It's up to us to learn from them and find empowerment  in everything  they teach us.  Any thoughts that disempowered us or wrap us up in a negative energy  interrupts  our precious moments with our dogs.

Love Whitney's suggestion about the air horn.  The sudden sound definitely  distracts.  

PS..loved all the Nemo movies.   And believe it or not, as a scuba diver,  the likeness of the sea life and their "personalities ", habits, env, etc were quite accurate.

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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27 July 2023 - 5:01 pm
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Honestly, I don’t know what I would do without all of you.  Whitney, the words from the Finding Nemo movie resonated with me so much and I never would have thought of them.  I’ve been taking Honor in our fenced yard on a leash since his radiation and he seems confused and kind of uncomfortable with it.  I actually have been going back on our Ring camera and downloading every bit of video I have of him in the yard before it expires and he loved just laying out there, rolling in the grass, keeping an eye on everything then coming back in when he was ready.   He also liked interacting with our other dogs out there and that doesn’t work so well when I am standing there holding him on a leash so now I haven’t even been letting them go out at the same time.  This isn’t like one of our other dog’s TPLO surgery where we were just waiting until she heals to go back to regular activity. I honestly am lost at this point.  I want him to live as normal a life as he can but I also don’t want him fracturing his leg and ending up in pain. I appreciate Ellie’s message so much to live in the moment and make the most of each day…I will carry that with me and I know Honor approves of that message.  ❤️

The appointment: xray done.  No fracture seen.  The vet gave us prescription for amantadine since the galliprant (and every other NSAID we have tried upsets his stomach).  She seemed to think he could still do better after the mishap since his bone still didn’t look very lytic and no fracture.  I want to believe but am skeptical?  We First chemo done and hoping no side effects.  Thankful they had carboplatin as the shortage was something else I had been worrying about.  

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27 July 2023 - 5:12 pm
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So glad Honor got carboplatin!  I hope he can still enjoy his lake with all that noise in the background. Your picture of him in the field gazing at the lake is so beautiful. A peaceful moment in the midst of all that is going on for  him.

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27 July 2023 - 6:22 pm
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There is so much wisdom here, I feel so lucky to be surrounded by such insight! sp_hearticon2

Thankful they had carboplatin as the shortage was something else I had been worrying about.  

And as you saw, even worrying about it didn't change the course of what actually happened. They had it, he got treated, and right now it's time to celebrate smiley_clap

That's really good news about the x-ray, and you got the chemo done too?! That's a big deal, don't forget to soak up the milestone and do a little hoppy dance with Honor. 

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27 July 2023 - 7:34 pm
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Honor is zonked out right now sleeping (half on me) at moment.  So far so good as far as the chemo.  He ate his dinner (and, true to form, probably would have eaten 5 more) and seems ok.  I gave him a dose of cerenia just in case.  

And you are so right.  Worrying didn’t change the course of what happened.  I really do need to remind myself in future to worry about things when/if they happen. It’s one thing to be prepared for different scenarios but quite another to waste time endlessly obsessing over possible worst case scenarios.  All that ends up doing is taking away my mental energy in the present….which is where I’m trying hard to spend more time.  

So …no fracture and chemo round 1 complete. No other crises going on.  I guess I’ll call it a good day in the context of things and certainly in comparison to what I was expecting earlier in the day.  

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27 July 2023 - 8:28 pm
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So much to celebrate here tonight!

YAAAAAY FOR GOOD XRAYS OF HONOR'S LEG👏  Huge victory!  And acknowledgment from the Vet additional healing may still take place is really good news too!!!

 

Round one of Carboplatin  complete and Honor resting  comfortably!  More good news to celebrate!!👏👏

    And to me, one of the biggest reasons to celebrate  is what yoj shared below:

    It’s one thing to be prepared for different scenarios but quite another to waste time endlessly obsessing over possible worst case scenarios.  All that ends up doing is taking away my mental energy in the present….which is where I’m trying hard to spend more time.  

And as Jerry said. 

    And as you saw, even worrying about it didn't change the course of what actually happened. They had it, he got treated, and right now it's time to celebrate

    

HUGE, HUGE, HUGE VICTORY FOR YOU AND ULTIMATELY  BENEFITS HONOR TOO!!!    Give yourself a standing ovation forembraxing that empowering concept!!👏👏👏👏

And make noooo mistake avout ot.  When you are obsessing over worse case scenarios, (and we all have to check ourselves on that too),  Honor definitely picks up on your stress and it is harmful to his overall well being.

We hoomans are so silly.  When we have an unknown we have choice of visualizing (or obsessing)  a worse case scenario or visualizing  a positive  and empowering  outcome. But ince we get the "Soul's growth life lesson", we go with empowerment 

Sleep well tonight.  Honor is enjoying a good rest too.

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Sally and Alumni Happy Hannah and Merry Myrtle and Frankie too!

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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28 July 2023 - 5:42 am
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Bit of a rough night. Honor woke up around 2 am dry heaving, drooling and clearly having very bad nausea.  I took him outside where he promptly started eating grass despite my efforts to get him to stop. Then he laid down, looking unwell and didn’t want to come in so my husband and I spent the next couple hours taking turns sitting out there with him.  I had given him cerenia as prescribed after dinner  but noticed the dose was about 25 mg low for his weight.  I had some very low dose tabs here as it had been prescribed for one of our cats before so I gave him a little more. Not sure if that’s what helped but it finally seemed to pass and he came back inside.  
 
I woke up late and, unfortunately, think I will have to miss taking him to the lake this morning.  I’m not even sure he would feel up to it…but guessing he would try to go to make me happy.  Will try to think of some other special activity to do today.  It’s tough to do anything outside in FL this time of year if you don’t do it early in the morning! 

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28 July 2023 - 9:15 am
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Being nauseous is such a yucky feeling. Poor sweet Honor. I'm glad it seems to have passed and hopefully, the bit more Cerenia did the trick. Let your Onco know so they can adjust the anti-nausea accordingly. Let us know how he's doing, if he feels like eating later,, etc.

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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I just called their nurses because he really hasn’t been acting right. It’s vague, but be has been very lethargic to the point of not even raising his head when the other dogs were barking or people coming in the door.  Not drinking water.  Did take his pill pockets with gabpentin and the flagyl they had prescribed. He had some mild diarrhea yesterday morning but, since then he hasn’t even gone to the bathroom so I’m a bit worried about that.  The last time he even went outside was 8 am this morning and I haven’t been able to convince him to go out again since.

The nurse ran everything by the Dr and they really don’t think it can be the chemo.  For one, they said the effects wouldn’t show up so quickly.  For another, they also gave him anti nausea stuff along with the chemo.  They say cerenia or flagyl wouldn’t be causing this.  She said they also erred on the side of caution with him and gave him a very low dose of chemo for his size…if anything, maybe too low she said.  She called in an additional nausea med for me to add to the cerenia and said I could withhold the flagyl to see if he goes to the bathroom and withhold his galliprant …which I already didn’t give to him yesterday. 

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28 July 2023 - 2:16 pm
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And, of course we are headed into the weekend.  I’ll have to see how he does with eating and drinking and going to the bathroom later.  Really don’t want to end up at an ER Vet hospital with him as none in area are known to be very good.

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Looking up side effects of medications and I think it could be the Flagyl.  I’m going to stop giving it and am not sure why they wanted him on this medication vs a newer anti diarrheal I asked about that is specifically for chemo that did not seem to have potential serious side effects. Wish I had done my research before giving him last night and this morning dose of this medication.  

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