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Toby the Great Pyrenean Mountain Dog
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25 February 2011 - 3:10 pm
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anjo said:

Yes, we are in the UK. We rescue PYRs.

Toby's an international dawg. Cool!

So let me gret this straigh then...in the UK they're called "Pyrenean" but in the US we call 'em "Pyrenees"...we're talking about the same breed, right?

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28 February 2011 - 2:25 am
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Dear all,

Yes, it is the same breed. He is indeed an international dog!

Toby did start to eat again. I wanted to give him a cancer fighting diet, but his appitate seems to have waned. He is getting about very well considering that it has only been 5 days. He turns around unaided when he gets ready to sit down or sleep and walks around the houses unaided for short spurts.

I do have a question about the chemo drug, carboplatin. This is the one being used. we start in approx a week. I read that in the US and the UK this is the chemo drug of choice. I have also read about the potential side effects and wanted to know the experiences you have had. Any input would be greatly appreciated. 

I tried to insert two pics, but failed miserably. I will try again later.  

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28 February 2011 - 6:19 am
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Toby sounds like he is doing pretty well!  As far as the chemo drug carboplatin, Sammy did 6 rounds.  He was usually tired that day and the next day and was off his food during that time.  He had hardly any issues with it, recovering within 24 hours.  The last two treatments he shivered a few hours after the treatment, and was off his food, but that was the worst of it.  I wrapped him in a blanket heated by the dryer and that seemed to help. 

Elizabeth and Sammy

Diagnosed with osteosarcoma in the right front leg 8/23/10,

leg fractured 8/27/10,

leg amputated 8/30/10

http://sammyand.....pawds.com/

 

I couldn't begin to say how special Sammy is to us.  Living and laughing with and loving this wonderful boy is priceless.

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28 February 2011 - 11:38 am
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anjo said:

I do have a question about the chemo drug, carboplatin. This is the one being used. we start in approx a week. I read that in the US and the UK this is the chemo drug of choice.

So it is the same breed! I like the English version.

As for carboplatin, here are a couple of good videos about it:

Canine Bone Cancer News with Dr. Mona Rosenberg

Chemotherapy Session for Daisee Dog

I would be cautious about changing his diet right now. Most onco docs advise waiting until the chemo sessions are completely over. That's because any GI problems that develop could be the result of either a new diet or chemo, making treatment more challenging.

Toby's making progress. Stay pawsitive, it'll get better.

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1 March 2011 - 1:06 am
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Thank you so much. Toby is doing well. He is now able to go out on his own to pee and jumps up to bark at any stray pheasant which dares enroach on his property line. He is outside at the moment covered with a duvet as it is very cold today. All in all, things are going quite well.

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1 March 2011 - 1:39 am
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Jerry, I am having trouble creating a blog. I followed the instructions, but it kept stating that there was a problem and I had to keep doing the human verification. I did this four times, but alas, no blog. As I said, I truly am technically inept, do you have a blog for dummies!

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1 March 2011 - 11:51 am
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anjo said:

I am having trouble creating a blog.

Sorry for the inconvenience, we have removed the PetFinder human verification method to make registration easier, though it was functioning properly for others. Please make sure you are logged in and try again. If problems persist, post in the tech support forum or send a PM and we'll add the blog for you.

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1 March 2011 - 12:23 pm
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All working now. Thank you.

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1 March 2011 - 12:56 pm
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Oh, good. We look forward to following Toby's adventures. If you need any help getting started, check out the tutorial videos. You may also want to visit your blog to check the header image you tried to upload and review the links in your default sidebar. Post in the tech support forum with any other questions.

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5 March 2011 - 1:18 pm
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Dear all,

Toby has been rather subdued and is not eating at all well.  He is also walking with a pronounced arch in his back. I am assuming that he is in pain, or is uncomfortable. He stopped all his drugs three days ago, including the tramodol.  Has anyone else experienced this walking gait 10 days or so after surgery? We are having his staples removed on Monday and the vet will look him over and take blood tests to ensure all is OK.

Also, they are concerned that his poor eating will delay his beginning chemo. He will only eat a few pieces of chicken, nothing else. His diet is not balanced at all now. I have a multivitamin, but this is only supplemental, so I am becoming concerned. Again, has anyone had any experience of poor appetite. It may be connected to the pain, if he is feeling any pain. He does not appear to show any signs at all, other than the arched back, which maybe the poor alignment of his spine, pain or both. We have a physio coming next week to look him over and teach us a few techniques that may help him.

 All in all, we hit a dip and then a plateau.

Thanks for any insight you may have.


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5 March 2011 - 1:24 pm
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Does his incision look okay?  Sometimes a seroma or abscess starts deep in the tissue on these big guys and loss of appetite is common.  He could also be in pain. Some dogs are fine after 7 days of pain meds and some need meds for up to 3 weeks.  Let us know what your vet says!

Pam

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5 March 2011 - 2:51 pm
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Hi Toby and family

Welcome to this site, sorry you have to be here. I have been meeting some dogs through a Great Pyre rescue group near my city. She is the president of Canada's Great Prye group, but started a rescue group for Pyrenees and other breeds. She now has about 20 "others", some of which have pyre in them and some that don't.

 

It sounds as though Toby might have stopped the pain meds a bit too soon, especially given he had a bit of a harder time during surgery than some of our dogs (you said how long it lasted and how much pain he was in). I took Tazzie (half Pyre, presumably) off tramadol after a week or so (the surgeon assumed he would be in no pain), but he became a bit irritable and I started it up again, until about week 3.

Tazzie did have an arched back, as I recall. They tend to put the hind legs under their belly to compensate for the lack of a front leg, hence the back arches. Tazzie took a while to learn to walk and used some rather unique gaits before he settled into the tripawd hop. Tazzie only came into his own around week four, after impersonating a block of cement for the first few weeks.

We thought his hips were in good shape before the surgery. A GP vet found evidence of severe hip issues later that summer. I suspect the hip issues were a big part of the reason he took longer to learn to walk comfortably. Being a Pyr, he had a very long torso, and I can imagine that adds to the difficulty in finding their balance. I can imagine the hip issues would give Toby similar problems in finding his balance.

At the same time, given Toby is not eating in addition to having an arched back, I would check out other medical reasons such as the one Pam sugggested (Pam is a vet and had a dog - also named Tazzie - with OSA). Not eating when on chemo is normal, but I don't think it is normal after surgery unless they are on drugs. I would definitely try to figure that out before starting chemo.

Did the arched back start when they stopped the pain drugs? Or did it happen when he started to walk more? Is he normally highly food-motivated?

As for chemo, Carboplatin seems to be the drug resulting in the least side effects around this site. If I went through this again, that is the drug I'd select for a dog (6 Carbo treatments). Sometimes the blood counts are a bit slow to recover, so they might need to spread out some treatments a bit. That seems common around here and does not seem to be a big deal.

Good luck with the journey.

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5 March 2011 - 3:10 pm
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Toby

I dug up some of my posts from week 2, which was the time when Tazzie started to hunch up when standing. See if this sounds as all like Toby. It looks as though he was on tramadol, but we then stopped it for a few days and re-started. He was hopping and jumping when leaving the surgeon's clinic after amputation, so this time period definitely seemed to be a set-back. But Tazzie did have a good appetite, in fact that was about the only time he would budge each day.

But he did get through that and became active, it just took a bit longer than it did for many dogs. And down the road, his performance far exceeded the medical expectations, contrary to the way things were at the start.

Susan

 

About
Day 6 (July 2009)

(1)
Tazzie's basic posture, if standing, is somewhat hunched with tail curled under
his belly, which normally is a sign of pain. And he just does not want to take
any steps at all, even on the grass (unless he sees someone and then he perks
up)

Have
any of you with long waisted dogs (short legs, long body), noticed them
carrying their back ends in a somewhat hunched position? That gets the hind
limbs further forward. I just don't know if it is a balance issue, or if he has
something wrong going on in the abdomen. (He did have torsion June 1 to
complicate things, but is eating and drinking, with a certain amount coming out
the back end.)

He
usually looks fairly comfortable when he does lie down and rest (yes, always on
the same side and never tosses and turns). I
do not get a specific pain response when I touch the abdomen. It is pretty
full, but then he is eating more than he is pooping.

About
Day 7-8

He
still looks as though it pains him when he walks too quickly, by hunching up,
but things definitely look much brighter than they did the last four days. He
definitely walks slower than I thought possible for a 3-legged dog. I thought
they had to move fast to keep their balance.

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6 March 2011 - 1:22 pm
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Thank you both for the information. Toby's appetite has never been great, he is a picky eater and never ate a great deal, but at the moment he is unwilling to eat more than once a day and then only about 6 oz of chicken cooked in olive oil.

His incision looks very good. No weeping, no smell, in fact it is healing really well. There was a small amount of swelling at the base of the incision, but that calmed down quite quickly. His temp is good.

He is hunched when he gets up and when he walks. He has real trouble when he tries to lie down. He did have problems previously, a trapped nerve bothers him occasionally, so it maybe the nerve or it maybe that he came off his pain meds too early. The vet gave me 7 days worth. I did call him, but he was very concerned that the tramodol was affecting Toby's appetite to the point that he was not eating at all. He did not have a BM for seven days. So they were reluctant to put him on the tramodol again. We are seeing the vet tomorrow, so I will speak to him about the hunched stance, the appetite and the possibility of pain.

We have been advised to try Western acupuncture to relieve the pain from his trying to walk, rather than drugs, or ultrasound and physio. Not sure which yet as first we need to deal with the possibility of pain from the amputation.  Acupuncture has become quite the norm for many vets over here in the UK as a way to relieve pain without drugs.

 

I will let you know what the vets says on Monday and what we decide to do.

 

Thank you so much for your advice and Toby thanks you.  This site is truly a life-line.

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6 March 2011 - 4:55 pm
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I'm betting the acupuncture will help. All of Toby's challenges sound like things that can be overcome with time, patience and TLC.

Just curious, what do the docs mean by "Western" acupuncture? We always refer to it as just "acupuncture" on this side of the pond.

He's getting great medical care, what a lucky kid. Please let us know what the docs say tomorrow OK? Good luck!

 

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