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Toby the Great Pyrenean Mountain Dog
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6 March 2011 - 6:42 pm
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Gosh, a dog that is a picky eater. I haven't met one of those!! In that case, I can imagine that the surgery and discomfort would be enough to put him off food, if he was selective to begin with. But, I'd still keep a close eye on him and in communication with the vet.

You will probably face challenges with eating during chemo. The easiest way to avoid them is for vets give antinausea drugs before the chemo. Having said that, carboplatin seems to have the least issues in this respect. I had trouble enticing my extremely food-motivated dog to eat during
chemo, but we used Adriamycin which brings more nausea (and I would not recommend it).

I hope Toby feels better soon!

 

(p.s. yes, 7 days for BM after amputation is not too unusual around here. My cat also went 7 days recently after being put on the antibiotic, Clavamox. Not sure whether that is harder on an enormous dog or a little cat.)

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7 March 2011 - 12:57 am
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Thank you for this. Carboplatin is the chemo drug that will be used and having spoken to the vet about Toby's stomach problems, he is going to use an anti nausea drug.

 

Toby's picky eating and digestive issues stem from his abuse. We have rehabilitaed many abused dogs, but Toby was the most

challenging, but his resilience and ability to keep going under adverse conditions, saw him through. He is truly an amazing dog.

Will keep you updated.

Thanks again.

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8 March 2011 - 1:24 pm
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Dear all,

Toby's bloods came back and all is well. However, the white cell count seemed to be inaccurate, so we had to take more bloods today. The vet said that it was so off the chart that the machine had to have been the probelm, so we will get another reading in the next few days. He wanted to have the most accurate figures before he began chemo.

Toby is still rather subdued. The vet checked his heart, his hips and his spine, all appeared to be fine. Neverthless, he has given me more tramadol to use, but a much lower dose than before and only to be used if I feel that Toby is uncomfortable. Toby is still only eating small amounts, but on a more regular basis. He just has no spark, it is quite sad to see. I do hope that this is just a normal phase and that eventually his zest for life will return.

We discueed the chemo in detail and I asked to be in the room when it is administered as Toby is becoming more and more stressed when he visits the vet. They are now looking into the law on whether I can be in the room or not. Not sure what the rules are in the US, but here they seem to be quite strict.  I can however be with him when he goes on the drip following chemo. So we will see.

To try and answer your question Jerry, Western acupuncture has been described to me in the following way. Western Medicine was somewhat critical of the Chinese philosophy of acupuncture and the balancing of energy.  In the UK it was seen as inconsistent and thus could not be successfully incorporated into Western diagnostic techniques. Following further research into the Eastern technique, Western acupuncture was developed. Western acupuncture, as far as I understand it, is based on formula researched for a variety of illnesses and applied only on the basis of a western medical diagnosis having first been made by a doctor/vet. What was discovered by scientists is that the nervous system can indeed be stimulated at 'trigger points' within muscle tissue and the connective tissue in and around it. These points are already known to Western medicine, and that this sometimes works to block or inhibit nerve pain. I hope this makes some sense, probably as clear as mud!

We will monitor Toby and then make the decsion whether he should begin chemo on Monday or Tuesday of next week. His eating has to be more consistent and he needs to be feeling a little more like his old self.

Thanks as always for your support and words of encouragement.

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8 March 2011 - 1:53 pm
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I think you are still in that two week after amp recovery window- so Toby not being himself yet might be normal.  Since the vet checked him out and everything seems fine then he may just need a little more time.

My pug Maggie was not herself after her amp for several weeks.  She was obstinate and stubborn and was not at all happy with her new situation.  She could get around just fine after the first couple of weeks- but she really took her time getting back to the playful pug she was before the surgery. 

But she did find herself again- and was the playful, mischievous, and still very obstinate pug I knew.  Hopefully Toby will start feeling more like himself- I bet when the sutures or staples are out, and he is off all the pain meds his personality will show again.

Hang in there!

 

Karen and the pugapalooza

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8 March 2011 - 7:17 pm
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I also stressed about tazzie being subdued (two words, "Tazzie" and "subdued" were never uttered in the same sentence before amputation) until a few weeks after surgery. I had to find many ways to coax him back to life, mostly involving bringing his favorite visitors to the yard (human or dog) for him to meet. We lived in the country, so that was more reason for him to be subdued. He brightened up when i took him to the city where he had chemo.

 

But I hope you get the bloodwork, and confident about his condition, before beginning chemo. Not the end of the world if you wait a week or two before beginning chemo. It sounds as though you caught the tumor early, didn't you?

 

Are the WBC at the low end of the chart or the high end?

Did Toby have any sort of oral antibiotic in the week following amputation? Most don't, but I was wondering given a couple of things you have said.

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8 March 2011 - 9:27 pm
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anjo said:

To try and answer your question Jerry, Western acupuncture has been described to me in the following way.

I think I get it. So Western docs use the areas of Eastern acupuncture that can be proven, medically speaking, and only incorporate that part into the practice. Makes sense. You can't really do scientific documentation on "chi" I suppose.

As for Toby's behavior. I agree with Karen, it sounds like the usual post-op recovery period. As long as your vet has checked him out from head to toe, that's the most you can do medically speaking. Emotionally speaking, however, being strong and really, I mean really believing that he will bounce back, will go a long way in helping him through this period.

His spark will return, just wait! Many dogs go through this, and it's great your vet is being so cautious. As for humans being present with their dogs during chemo, we know that some practices here allow it and many will give in if the human insists on it. It's really not much to watch, as you can see in this video.

Hang in there. Next week is a new week and you'll probably be wondering what the heck you were so worried about. Keep us posted OK? Let us know if you need anything in the meantime.

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9 March 2011 - 1:26 pm
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We don't have a WBC count as yet, we will do shortly. Toby was given antibiotics during the surgery and then antibiotics for one week at home.  The histology report came back and the vet was quite shocked, as was I. Toby's tumour, while an osteosarcoma, is low grade, which according to my vet is very unusual. There is no visible signs in the lungs, but of course it may be too small to see, but we are pleased that the tumour is low grade.

Toby has perked up a little today, he was actually up and barking at the pheasants, which is great, loud, but great!

Had most of the staples out, but still some left in. Toby became quite agitated, so the vet will take them out when we start the chemo. I hope this is OK.

Will keep you updated as things progress.

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9 March 2011 - 1:33 pm
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Great update!

This stupid disease is so unpredictable- but starting with low grade is a good thing.

It's funny how those previous annoying things (barking at the pheasants) become tripawd victories big-grin.

 

I've heard several people here talk about finding staples still in a week or two after the rest were removed.  Ted E. Bear just posted in his blog about that.

 

Karen and the pugapalooza

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9 March 2011 - 3:05 pm
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Mmmmmm... Pheasant! Thanks for the update.

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9 March 2011 - 9:09 pm
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Toby

You are so lucky to have a OSA that is low-grade. Most of us have high-grade or extremely super dooper high grade or Mega Monster Super Dooper high grade, you get the idea.

 

Okay - now I am suspicious. I was wondering if his symptoms might be related to antibiotics the other day. So, you were on antibiotics for a week after surgery. That seems reasonable, but to be honest I don't really recall Tazzie being on antibiotics after surgery and haven't heard much about that around here. General question for people - are most of your dogs on antibiotics after amputation?

 

Why I ask is that my cat was on a general antibiotic, Clavamox, after being at an emergency clinic this December. The following week he did not poo for 7 days and generally had signs of nausea. I took him to a different vet, and he immediately asked whether the cat had been put on clavamox, because constipation and nausea tend to be common with that. The vet took him off clavamox (we were almost done) and gave him a little shot (I have no idea what) to help his appetite. In any case, the combination, and he returned to his happy and reasonably hungry (he is a cat afterall) self. In the case of the cat, he probably should not have been put on anything. It was kind of an unnecessary precaution (which is not a particularly wise way to use antibiotics but that is another story).

I know Tazzie was put on clavamox for a bad infection (by same emergency clinic). In hindsight, I expect some of his feeling bad symptoms were related to that.

 

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11 March 2011 - 1:29 pm
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WBC is low/normal, around 7. I think it is a different system here in the UK, but looking back over of WBC results this is Toby's norm. He is supposed to start chemo on Monday at 9:30am, but Toby now has an allergy to something, he is constantly licking and itching himself; he is almost in a frenzy. He also appears to have conjunctivitis. We are off to the vets tomorrow. I called my regular vet, who referred me to the vet who did the amputation and will be doing the chemo, he is concerned, saying Toby should not start chemo if he has an ongoing infection. So I will see what the amputation/chemo vet says on Saturday.

Hope all is well with you all.

I will keep you updated.

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11 March 2011 - 1:55 pm
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What medications is Toby taking? He may be having an allergic reaction. Read the labels carefully or ask your pharmacist to ensure none of the pet prescriptions include Xylitol.

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13 March 2011 - 8:02 am
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He is not on any meds now, so we are cutting one thing out from his diet at a time. He was having milk, so we have cut that out and he seems to be claming down a little. He has a cream for the scar which appeared to be a source for some itching, the cream seems to be helping. He does have conjunctivitus in one eye and imflammation in the other, so no chemo on Monday. Maybe we can start on Wednesday if the eye infection clears.

I will check the meds that the vet is putting him on throughout chemo to ensure the addition you mentioned is not in them.

Thanks

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17 March 2011 - 1:58 pm
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Hi all,

Toby went for his first chemo today. He seems fine. He had a bad eye infection, so the chemo had to be delayed until we got the infection under control, which we did. He was given stomach lining fluid at the time of the chemo and now he has anti-nausea pills and a stomach liner for the next few days. He has eaten quite well, considering he has a poor appetite at the best of times.

 

Thanks as always for your support.

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17 March 2011 - 2:52 pm
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glad to hear the treatment went well!!  a good appetite during chemo is a blessing.

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