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Ginger became a Tripawed Last Tues - Osteosarcoma Confirmed last night
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Seems to be the common story, my 9-year old rescue Collie-Shepard, Ginger, had been limping a little around the house for a few weeks, but would run like the wind to chase a squirrel. She never limped outside when she was running, so I thought she was just wanting extra attention. She's been known to be a 75-lb baby. Never felt any lumps, swelling, sores, cuts- nothing.  Took her to the vet just in case, kept thinking maybe a torn ACL. 

Happily went went into exam room, fill-in vet looked at her & said well looks like it might be a torn ACL, let's get an x-ray (knowing what I know now, that's probably not what she was really thinking). I was thinking, oh, crap, that's going to be expensive. 

She came back to the room & asked if I wanted to see the x-ray - sure, they always take me back to look at them. I saw the fracture femur - but the vet said it was the spider web area in the lower tibia was consistent with bone cancer. I just looked her & felt the floor drop out below me. She said amputation was necessary to confirm.  I must have just looked at her. She just said there is no wrong or right thing to do. I asked how long would she have if I didn't amputate- maybe 2-3 weeks. She said she couldn't set the leg because it would never heal. She asked if I wanted another x-ray to see if the cancer has metastasized to lungs & heart. She said they would bring my Ginger back to the room when finished. When they did bring her back, her leg was dangling. Her leg had broken when they had done the x-rays. She said the x-ray looked clear of lungs & heart. She asked what I wanted to do - I asked when they would amputate - she said they would clear the schedule for tomorrow morning.  That was last Monday, Tuesday I dropped her off, Wednesday afternoon I picked her up. I tried to focus on how happy I was to see her and not even think about the missing leg, huge incision, & all the bruising.

Started reading about the various type of bone cancer & waited on pins & needles for the results. Took several days off work to stay with her- slept on the floor at night by her day bed so I would know if she tried to get up in the night. I hired a vet tech to stay with her if I had to go to work meetings or teach. I knew when the vet called last night & asked if I was driving, it was bad news. She said, I am sorry, it's osteosarcoma. She said prognosis with amputation was 3-5 months, amputation with chem would be 5 months - year.  She said cancer is all about %'s .  She asked what I thought about chemo. I said I just didn't know. She said the side- effects on dogs are different than with humans.

She said she would find out about the appropraite protocols with costs and schedules. I heard 4 rounds of two different chemicals 21-days apart. Now looking for information to decide what to do.

Ginger had been a trooper - she hopped right out of the vet's office and hasn't looked back- she seems to really enjoy the extra attention. Her two younger "brother" border collies are slightly jealous, but seem to know Ginger needs it right now. 

I might be keeping her on the tramadol & porprophen longer than she may need, but don't want her to be in any pain.

She he has been navigating to snow pretty well when we go out in the backyard. I keep her on a leash & i hope it doesn't make her sad to not be off racing with Bandit & Henry, jumping in each other.

That's where we are now. Well, not exactly, Ginger is asleep on her day bed & the boys are on the rug around her.

what to do next?? What will be best for Ginger? That's what I face now & am so glad to have found this website.

 

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28 January 2016 - 7:36 am
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Hi and welcome. Am on my mobile now but will write more later, wanted to get your post approved. Stay tuned...

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28 January 2016 - 8:57 am
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Most of us here can relate to the feeling of having the floor drop out from under you.  I sure can.  Murphy had been limping around for a couple of months before he finally got diagnosed.  He did have x-rays, but they didn't sedate him and told me that they "looked just fine."  I think that because he was on pain medication and weight-bearing on the leg, they assumed that it couldn't be a fracture or anything serious (this was a radiology center that my regular vet sent me to, my vet no longer does x-rays).

After surgery Murphy took his pain medication for about 2 weeks, weaning during the 2nd week.  It seems to be about the average.  Some stay on a little longer.

Many people choose to not do chemo.  There is no right or wrong, it's completely your choice.  The dogs don't seem to have the same reactions to it that people do.  Murphy had histiocytic sarcoma, which is highly aggressive.  His prognosis with surgery and chemo was 12-18 months.  We went ahead and did 6 doses of CCNU.  When it was completed, they found another mass and offered to try another chemo, but we declined.  That mass has not grown at all.  His surgery was April, 2013 and he's still hopping around 🙂

Ginger seems to have the right attitude - she's living in the now.  She's feeling so much better now that that painful leg is gone.  I'm sure she's thankful.  Pretty soon she'll be able to go running through that snow!

Donna

Donna, Glenn & Murphy 

Murphy had his right front leg amputated due to histiocytic sarcoma at 7 years old. He survived 4 years, 2 months & 1 week, only to be taken by hemangiosarcoma at 11 1/2 years 6/12/17  
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28 January 2016 - 9:27 am
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Hi There,

Yes, Ginger's story does sound familiar to all of us and it sounds as if you've gotten pretty straight up advice from the vet. The choice to do chemo or not is really up to each individual and their circumstances. The typical regime is 4 to 6 rounds of carboplatin for OSA. Our experience was that there were only mild side-effects (dip in energy and appetite about 3-4 days post) but there are dogs who do not tolerate it well. If that happens, then of course the decision can be made to stop. 

Our thought going in was that we would try it and if Ellie didn't tolerate it well, we would stop. And each time she was due we'd mini-argue the case for continuing. Since her side effects were fairly mild, we did continue. We got 10 months w/ our Ellie (6 rounds carbo). Was it worth it? Did it prolong her life? We'll never know. But we don't regret it (the amp or the chemo). Sure, we would have liked more time but no matter how much time you get, it will never be enough.

As for Ginger, you've already accomplished a great deal by ridding her of that painful leg. Yes, it probably felt like you'd just been hit by a train, but you didn't let that stop you from making the hard decision for your girl. And kudos to your vet for clearing her schedule and getting her taken care of right away. 

Denise, Bill and Angel Ellie

Active 10+ Pyr mix suddenly came up lame with ACL tear in left rear leg. Scheduled for a TPLO but final pre-op x-rays indicated a small suspicious area, possibly OSA, which could have caused the ACL tear. Surgeon opened the knee for TPLO but found soft bone. Biopsy came back positive for OSA. Became a Tripawd 9/18/14. Carbo6 with Cerenia and Fluids. Pain free and living in the moment. Crossed the Bridge on 7/12/15 after probable spread of cancer to her cervical spine. A whole lifetime of memories squeezed into 10 months. Here's her story: Eloise

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28 January 2016 - 9:34 am
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First off - welcome. I am sorry you find yourself here but glad you joined our community. You will find a ton of resources and support here. 

I grew up with a mutt named Ginger so I am partial to pups with that name! 🙂 

Now my girl, Shelby, lost her leg and life to a difference cancer. But we did do chemo and it did help us. BUT it is very personal decision. Others have chosen NO chemo and still had long results. Some do both and a shorter time frame. Basically, sadly, it is a cr@pshoot with this cr@ppy disease. Know that whatever you decide, you will get tons of support! Taking that leg off was a huge help to Ginger as it was probably pretty painful (especially after it broke -so sorry about that). 

Ginger definitely is living in the moment and being a dog and that is the best ... the best advice I can give is to be as positive as you can around her. I truly believe positive energy around Shelby helped her outlive those expectations given to us by her vets (whom we LOVED). 

Hugs and love!

alison with spirit shelby in her heart (and little jasper too) 

Shelby Lynne; Jack Russell/Shiba Inu mix. Proud member of the April Angels of 2014.

October 15, 2000 to April 8, 2014

Our story: Broke rear leg in June 2013 - non-conclusive results for cancer so leg was plated and pinned. Enlarged spleen in September 2013 and had it removed and was diagnosed with Hemangiosarcoma and started chemotherapy. Became a Tripawd January 8th, 2014 and definitive Hemangiosarcoma diagnosis. Three major surgeries in 7 months and Shelby took them all like a champ only to lose her battle to cancer in her brain. We had 8 amazing extra months together and no regrets. #shelbystrong #loveofmylife

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28 January 2016 - 9:45 am
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I'm really glad Donna chimed in! Her Murphy is proof positive around here that statistics don't mean squat!! EVERY dog is different!

Your sweet Ginger does NOT have a timeframe stamped on her butt! Really, take a look! Do you see anything that looks like a timeframe stamp? Nope, didn't think so!

You have given Ginger a chance for extended QUALITY time that is pain free! You have given her more time for loving and spoiling, time for more tummy rubs, time for more snuggles, time for more play time with Bandit and Henr!

Ginger is living in the NOW, in the moment. Make sure you stay there with her! She's living everyday to the fullest with no worries about tomorrow.

Keep things chunked down. Right now get her through recovery. Be sure and celebrate the victory of seeing her sparkle return bit by bit! Ginger will slowly start picking up her normal routines, the routines like greeting you at the door, or barking if someone is at the door. Yoi will be so delighted when these things happen, and so will Ginger!

Chemo is no guarantee one way or another. No right or wrong. My Happy Hannah had osteo and she had four rounds of Carboplatin. Different Oncos suggest different protocols, but the number of treatmens range from four to five, sometimes six. Again, no right or wrong. One reason I did the chemo with Happy Hannah was, if she had a bad reaction, I coukd stop at anytime and she woukd be able to bounce back with no problems. Happy Hannah sailed through her treatments.

Oh, and Happy Hannah needed her pain pills for about three weeks. There was some tapering in the third week. She was on Tramadol, Gabapentin, Rimadyl and an antibiotic.

Post pictures when you can. Take some deep breaths, eat chocolate and know that Ginger is doing great, and will continue to do great!!

Love

Sally and Alumni Happy Hannah and Merry Myrtle and Frankie too!

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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28 January 2016 - 9:47 am
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Geez, by the time it takes me to type my post, I see you've also gotten great advice from Alison and Denise!

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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PS - also want to add, we have a helpline managed by many of us volunteers (who are not vets) so feel free to give us a call if you just want to talk, vent, cry or tell stories! 

Shelby Lynne; Jack Russell/Shiba Inu mix. Proud member of the April Angels of 2014.

October 15, 2000 to April 8, 2014

Our story: Broke rear leg in June 2013 - non-conclusive results for cancer so leg was plated and pinned. Enlarged spleen in September 2013 and had it removed and was diagnosed with Hemangiosarcoma and started chemotherapy. Became a Tripawd January 8th, 2014 and definitive Hemangiosarcoma diagnosis. Three major surgeries in 7 months and Shelby took them all like a champ only to lose her battle to cancer in her brain. We had 8 amazing extra months together and no regrets. #shelbystrong #loveofmylife

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28 January 2016 - 11:39 am
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Ginger and family, welcome. As you can see this community is filled with awesome people ready to help. To add to their insight, I'll just say that what stood out to me in your post was that the onco said cancer is all about percentages. Yes, that is true. The odds are there for a reason. But I will tell you that what we have seen here over and over again are many incredible dogs who didn't hear those odds, and they thrived and did great despite them, both with and without chemo. So in reality, cancer is all about making the most of every day. Because with or without this disease, nobody knows how long we have. All we have is today, and our dogs are the best teachers of how to make the most of it.

By the way, our Jerry was a Shepherd/Collie cross and he did great on three. He also lived two amazing years after osteo, so again you never know.

Be sure to check out Jerry's Required Reading List and the Tripawds e-books library if you haven't already, you'll find lots of insight there too.

Hugs to you and Ginger and the pack! We are glad you are here.

Tripawds Founders Jim and Rene
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JEEEERRRRYYYYY! Really like how you drove the truth of this journey home with such simplicity. This piece of crap disease is not about percentages, the reality is it's about making the most lf every day! And that's something this piece of crap disease has noooo control over!!

As always....thank you for just being your guided and I intuitive you!!!!

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!


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Hi. This is an amazing place for you to share your story and get wonderful helpful feedback. My 11 1/2 year old beagle was diagnosed in late December after limping and a lot of pain for about 2-3 weeks.  It was a shocker as at the same time we learned her frequent urinating ( which she has done since we rescued her 2 years ago) was not marking and fun but bladder cancer.  We thought long and hard about the best course and despite the bladder cancer, which is now managed on metacam, we opted to amputate. We saw that she wasn't ready to go as she maintained her joyous spirit and energy despite such bad pain that she stopped weight bearing. I have not regretted the decision.  It did not take her long to bounce back and adjust to 3 limbs. We also have a wonderful Accupuncture vet helping us deal with the extra strain for an older girl on 3 legs complicated by the fact that she squats often due to her urinary frequency. I was a wreck about all of this and found Tripawds after the surgery and found great comfort and support. Here So welcome. I am sorry Ginger has had to go through this but like I said in a fb post about Izzy, don't feel sorry for her we gave her a gift of life for Christmas.  You gave your dog a gift and here you will find help and support to enjoy your time with Ginger. 

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