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21 March 2013 - 9:21 pm
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Thanks for all of the positive comments and helpful advice.

 

Jerry, I can assure you that Dr. Worley (whom I respect and trust *very* much) is well aware of all of Beamer's medications (she prescribed all but the Prozac), but I will confirm with her tomorrow that she doesn't think this is a side effect of anything.  Thanks.

 

Pollygirl, I appreciate the commiseration and advice on this.  Beamer sounds very much like Polly ("neurotic" :) ), so I'm hopeful that we will be in the same place you guys were in another week or so.  Your explanations make perfect sense to me and we'll just keep doing what we've been doing in hopes that we can work through it.

 

Benny55, I don't mind the stutter-posts, if that's what you have to do to get it out.  Rest assured that I am not, for one second, doubting our decision to amputate, I just figure that it needs to be a priority to do what we can to avoid a worsening of pain, considering that we sacrificed her leg in order to reduce her pain.

 

I am a patient person, and my family (including Beamer) has been through trauma before, and I'm happy to say that we have the fortitude and support structure to make it through just about anything (that doesn't kill us ;) ).  Even if Beamer sometimes may see the glass as half empty, I'm an eternal optimist and I know we'll make it to the other side of this thing yet. :)

 

One new development this evening:  My wife and I were watching TV and Beamer was laying on the living room floor in her usual spot.  She must have fallen asleep at some point, because I noticed that she started doing the familiar twitchy running motion in her sleep (something she's done off and on since she was a puppy, we call it "chasing bunnies").  I wondered out loud if she still had all four legs in her dreams, and a few minutes later, she made a tiny yelp and sat upright abruptly, looking like someone had kicked her.

 

And sure enough, what did she do?  She stood up and started whining, exactly the same way she had been doing for the past few nights.  I of course went to her and started comforting her, holding my hand against her incision area and calmly saying it was going to be okay.  Just like last night, she whined intensely for 5-10 seconds, then calmed down and kinda stood there for a minute, heart beating like a Buddy Rich solo.  Eventually she hippity-hopped around and laid back down, much calmer, but still looking a bit shaken.

 

So...  I think this may have shed a little light on exactly what happens *before* these episodes at night.  I think she does the bunny-chasing thing, then something doesn't feel right, or cramps up, or who knows what, and she startles herself awake.  Then she's all worked up and freaked out, and that causes the anxious reaction with the whining and/or crying out.  At this point, I don't think that there is a physiological root to it; I think it's most likely a psychological/coping issue brought on by shock or surprise of waking up minus one limb.

 

But I'm not doctor.  I'll explain my findings and propose my theory to Dr. Worley tomorrow and see what she says.  Thanks again all for listening.

 

Regards,

Jon Heese

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21 March 2013 - 10:14 pm
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Good luck tomorrow! We hope all of you get some rest tonight. Keep us posted.

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27 March 2013 - 5:59 pm
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Coming in late here, but your theory on the dreaming triggering something and startling her awake sounds like a good one.  I just read this entire thread and I must admit I got teary at the beginning, but am thrilled to see the happy ending.  How is she doing now? I see it's been about a week since you updated.  I hope she is healing nicely for you. 

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Sorry it's been a while since I've posted here...  It's been a busy few weeks between my work and home life.

 

Beamer is definitely doing better than when I last posted.  Since then, we've been back to CSU to remove her sutures, and we saw a new surgical oncologist, Dr. Nicole Ehrhart (Dr. Worley was unavailable).  While Beamer was at CSU for the suture removal, they observed her in hopes that she would display the whining/crying out behavior for their analysis, but of course, she didn't.  However, they did do some more analysis of her symptoms and films, and consulted with a neurology specialist (with a specialization in pain), and an acupuncture specialist to look at Beamer's case.  I went to work while Beamer stayed with them for the day, and Dr. Ehrhart called me around midday to discuss their findings.

 

She said that they believe that Beamer's episodes are caused by nerve damage from the amputation surgery, specifically a condition called peripheral neuropathy.  Essentially, the peripheral nerve that goes from Beamer's spinal cord to her amputated limb area is misfiring, causing her to feel sharp feelings of pain or burning.  It's common for these symptoms to be worse at night, so that would make sense.  She said that she had never had a dog experience this condition after amputation, but all of the symptoms and etiology fit the diagnosis, so it's their best guess at this point.

 

The treatment strategy for peripheral neuropathy is to treat the pain with pain medications that focus on the nerve, like gabapentin (which she was already on from the start) and amantadine.  So, we added amantadine to her meds and doubled the gabapentin dose.  Eventually, the nerve damage will heal on its own, and the meds will no longer be necessary.

 

However, on the same phone call, Dr. Ehrhart and I also discussed Beamer's other issues:

  • Her hip joints both show signs of arthritis
  • Her right knee shows signs of a partial/full cruciate ligament tear
  • Her remaining elbow joint shows signs of arthritis

Treatment for the arthritis in her hips and elbow is essentially NSAIDs and pain meds, and the cruciate ligament will either need surgery ($$$) or a custom knee brace (also $$$) in the long term to get better.  At the time, these issues plus the extreme pain Beamer seemed to be in (it did get worse between my last post and this phone call) caused us to start seriously reconsidering how long we were prepared to make her suffer...  We were pretty close to making the decision to euthanize her.

 

On that phone call while Beamer was in her care, I told Dr. Ehrhart that our plan was to try the increased Gabapentin and Amantadine, give it 5-10 days for the medicine to get to a sufficient level in her blood, as well as a free initial acupuncture session that Dr. Ehrhart recommended, and see where she was after all that.  Well, 10 days later was this past Friday, and Friday night was the first night Beamer slept through without any pain episodes.  The frequency and seriousness of her pain episodes had slowly been tapering off throughout the week, and her demeanor was steadily improving as well (she wags her tail again now!).

 

So our current position is this:  I'm going to call Dr. Ehrhart today and give her an update on Beamer's status, and get the ball rolling to start her chemo (we put it on hold last week since we weren't sure whether or not we would be putting her down on Saturday), and find out her opinion on how soon we can start tapering off the Gaba/Amant.  She's not showing visible signs of pain from her joints anymore, so we are just going to take that as it comes and treat any pain she gets with pain and AI meds.

 

Wish us luck!

 

(Should I start a new thread for this?  It feels like we're long past the "Presentation and Diagnosis" stage by this point...)

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9 April 2013 - 1:40 pm
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You know what? I haven't even finished reading our post! I. WE ALL have been so worried and I SWA your name and held my breath ..literally....thinking yet another sad story. and all I SWA was enough to know she's still with us!!!

Now I'm going back to read more and I'm GROWLING ... with love.....at you for not letting us know what's going on and making us worry!

Still loving you and Beamer' Sally and Happy Hannah

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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Ok , I've read it now and can really breath a sigh of relief. Sooooo sorry you had to go through so much these last several weeks but I know seeing the tail wagging and some of the happiness return has been a great relief for you----AND Beamer!! Poor thing...it just seems like the old Murphy's Law kicked in for awhile but ow maybe it's gone for good.

Don't know about the nuero spinal nerve thing (and I hope you've made the surgeon aware of this!) but I know there on plenty of people here on the site who can offer GREAT solutions for Beamer's arthritis/ joint issues, etc. So please know that, at this point other are things you can do. Soooo glad the pain is starting to subside and you can get Beamer in the best shape possible if you proceed with chemo.

Oh gosh, sending you so many "good wishes" AND congratulations for staying by Beamer's side as a wonderful advocate!! I bet Beamer is enjoying all the loving attention and just knowing YOU are there!!

Keep us posted PLEASE!!! Sally and Happy Hannah

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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9 April 2013 - 3:39 pm
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Thanks for the update! Glad to here Beamer is doing better. big-grin

Please feel free to start a new topic in the Share Your Story forum or consider starting a blog, or both... whichever you prefer.

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I'm relieved to read it sounds like her new drug cocktail is helping her out!  That's fabulous news!  And that her tail is wagging again!  Yippee skippee!

As for her arthritis and partially/full tear in her knee - I got the sense that she's still able to move and walk.  Yes?  She may be a little in pain, but it hasn't sounded like she's suck on a bed or floor somewhere.  That's something to be thankful for.

Thanks for the updates.  Keep them coming!  Speedy and safe recovery, Beamer!

~ Katy

ACL tear in right hind leg 12/5/12 and scheduled ACL repair surgery 12/21/12. Pre-op xrays revealed osteosarcoma. Amputation 12/28/12.  Chemo (carboplatin) started Jan 10, 2013 and ended on April 5, for a total of 5 doses. He handled carbo like a champ!  No side effects.  We started metronomic therapy at his third chemo and have been also doing some holistic treatments.  He's a lively, playful 10 year old huskie-boarder collie and a very proud member of the Winter Warriors!  Our love. Our funny little guy!

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10 April 2013 - 8:52 am
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Hi there,

I am so glad to hear that Beamer is doing better as far as her amputation goes.  I am sorry, though, to hear about all the other issues she is having with her remaining limbs.

I would like to add my perspective from a holistic approach smiley, if you don't mind.  I was happy to here the recommendation for acupuncture for the nerve issue, however, I would also look to suggest Animal Chiropractic Care because it is 100% based on neurology...

"What is Chiropractic?  Neurology 101...

Doctors of chiropractic are specialists in neurology.  They access the nervous system through the joints of the body, especially those of the spine.

Joints send information to the brain regarding posture, movement, and speed.  When motion in a particular joint is limited or has gone wrong, a warning message is sent to the brain in the form of a pain sensation.  A chiropractic adjustment restores normal motion to the joint.  This prevents further damage to the joint tissue and silences pain nerve endings, naturally.  It does this without the use of medications, which can damage important organs like the stomach, liver or kidneys. And, because of its broad effect within the central nervous system, chiropractic care can actually help those organs function better!"

If you would like to learn more benefits, check out this link...

http://www.kiro.....actic.html

Did you know that the autonomic nervous system has a sympathetic and parasympathetic state?  When it is in a SYMPATHETIC state the body is reacting to stress and prepared for danger...aka the FLIGHT or FIGHT response. In this state it will be unable to carry out the process for growth and repair. When it is in a PARASYMPATHETIC state the body is calm and is able to REST and DIGEST, but cannot prepare for action, stress, or danger...sometimes dogs can get stuck in sympathetic state but there is a technique used in Chiropractic Care that can sometimes be beneficial.

I work for an Animal Chiropractor and I can tell you first hand that I have seen what Chiropractic care has done for dogs in pain...many of our patients are now longer on pain meds and living happy, healthy lives.  Quality of life improves significantly when dogs see a Chiropractor, especially dogs that have gone through an injury or trauma.

You could also try a natural supplement made by Pet Tek called Ren-Gen Max...this formula is specifically designed for pets with lost mobility and joint pain due to hip dysplasia and osteoarthritis. The combined ingredients help to decrease joint pain and inflammation while assisting with the rehabilitation of damaged cartilage, renewal of synovial (joint) fluids, and the reinforcement of pliable and flexible joint tissue...

http://www.pet-.....re-gen-max

Anyway, that's my two cents...I looking forward to following Beamer's journey...best of luck smiley

Roxy…Border Collie cross born on approximately October 27th, 2011;

Rescued in January 2012 by Oops a Dazy Rescue & Sanctuary;

Right hind leg amputated on January 20th, 2012 due to a severe spiral fracture;

Adopted on February 21st, 2012 by Teena, a devoted human & Charlee, a purebred BC.

Hugs, tail wags & sloppy kisses

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Thanks for taking your time to share all that valuable information!! Very thoughtful of you and certainly helpful to all!

Love the new picture of some more of the gang!

Sally and Happy Hannah

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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10 April 2013 - 10:27 am
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hey Beamer, you are making great progress! What a lucky girl to have one of the world's best veterinary teams on your side. We love CSU!

Glad to hear the gaba is working well for you. We know of another dog, Spree, who had a similar condition and she was on gaba for a while after her surgery. In fact, Spree gets treated in Fort Collins, you can read about her story here. If you're in the area I know her Mom, Connie at Canine Health Resort, would be happy to talk to you if you had any questions.

In the meantime about that knee situation, did you see our Tripawds Downloads post, "Conservative Management Alternatives to Leg, Knee and Hip Surgeries"? This will give you some other alternatives to consider in the meantime, hopefully surgery won't be necessary.

Thanks for the update, it's always good to hear from you.

 

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Thanks for all the replies!

 

@Benny, the surgeon (Dr. Worley) is definitely aware of the nerve issue, as she was the one to whom I first reported it, and who started us in troubleshooting the issue.  She was very upset about the new symptom (crying out in pain) being introduced, and I can definitely say that I consider her to be a very outstanding veterinary surgeon.

 

@Fetchon3, yes, she can walk and run (well, hop fast ;) ) just fine most of the time.  I'd say that her leg joints gave her issues about 15% of the time before the amputation, and now that she's putting 33% more weight (averaged out, yes, I know it's not distributed evenly) on each leg, she's having 33% more trouble, meaning she has issues 20% of the time.  It's not something we're extremely worried about-- we'll just take it as it comes.  She's had the osteoarthritis and torn cruciate ligament for at least 5 years and a Glucosamine/Chondroitin every day has kept everything in decent shape.

 

@Tails a waggin', thanks for that perspective.  We will look into those options.

 

@Jerry, actually, the Gabapentin didn't seem to do much to help her pain episodes, as she was on it the whole time.  We added Amantadine and doubled her Gabapentin dose, and then over the course of the next 10 days, her pain episodes slowly decreased and then disappeared (*fingers crossed*).  No matter what happens from here on out, I don't think Beamer will be having any more surgery...  She's been through enough already that if we are faced with the option of surgery or putting her down, we'd have to be assured of a *very* positive surgical outcome (eg. instant regained youth ;) ) to make surgery the better option.

 

Thanks again to everyone for the kind responses and well wishing.  It's much appreciated.

Virginia







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10 April 2013 - 12:16 pm
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Thanks for the update! I know you have a lot on your plate and it does seem Beamer's new plan seems to be working and you'll get some more quality time. Keeping fingers.crossed for you. Jon, we all care.

Sally and Happy Hanmah

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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10 April 2013 - 6:19 pm
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For some humor...when I first read you post, I read is as you were giving her Adamantium!  You know, if we all could give this to our pups around here, I think we would.  There's quite a market for that stuff!

~ Katy

ACL tear in right hind leg 12/5/12 and scheduled ACL repair surgery 12/21/12. Pre-op xrays revealed osteosarcoma. Amputation 12/28/12.  Chemo (carboplatin) started Jan 10, 2013 and ended on April 5, for a total of 5 doses. He handled carbo like a champ!  No side effects.  We started metronomic therapy at his third chemo and have been also doing some holistic treatments.  He's a lively, playful 10 year old huskie-boarder collie and a very proud member of the Winter Warriors!  Our love. Our funny little guy!

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Glad you've got a plan (or the beginnings of one!) and that Beamer is better than a week ago. That's something to be thankful for.

Dr. Worley was Dakota's surgeon, and Dr. Ekhart was also very involved in his before and after care. He was in a clinical trial so we had several visits. I like them both very much. 

Shari

From abandoned puppy to Tripawd Warrior Dude, Dakota became one of the 2011 February Furballs due to STS. Our incredibly sweet friend lived with grace and dignity till he impulsively raced over the Bridge on 12-15-12.

Dakota's thoughtful and erudite blog is at http://shari.tr.....pawds.com/

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