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I'm very confused about food.  It looks like most people do home made foods - but I feel I have SO much to learn before I can switch Denali to home made.  I've been through posts about food but still am at a loss.  I know not all foods are created equal - currently my dogs are on California Natural lamb & rice mixed with just a little Merrick Cowboy Cookout (dry) to make it more paletable.  I think I'm looking to switch to EVO - but which one?  I know I have Orijen, Arcana, California Natural Grain Free, and EVO all available to me.  Did your vet/oncologist recommend a diet?

 

Also - what are all the supplements?  Did you do research or did your oncologist recommend them? 

 

Denali weighs around 85lbs right now and I am single income, so I do want the best for her, but I'm not working with an unlimited budget.

 

I'm sure all this stuff is answered but just found out about Denali probably having osteosarcoma on Wed and feel overwhelmed with information right now and things I need to do to prepare with the amputation.

~~~~ Denali ~~~~

June 9, 2010 OSA suspected

June 17, 2010, July 14, 2010 Clear X-rays – no mets

July 1, 2010 Amputation

July 9, 2010 OSA Confirmed

November 23, 2010 Cancer took you from me - Never forgotten, Always Loved - Forever

Supporting the Fighters, Admiring the Survivors, Honoring the Taken, And never, ever giving up Hope

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Food is so confusing.  It all is, actually.  Amputation VS No Amputation.  Chemo VS No Chemo.  What to feed.  What to supplement.  It's never ending.  Grain free foods seems to be what's most recommended for dogs with cancer.  There was recently a discussion here on the Eating Healthy Forum about Natura selling to Proctor & Gamble … Natura makes EVO & California Naturals.

If you look at the Tripawds Nutrition Blog , there are many suggestions for supplements and foods.  

Best of luck!

Amputation on 11/10/09, due to Histiocytic Sarcoma in left elbow. Angel Harley earned his wings on 06/24/10.

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hstanek said:

I think I'm looking to switch to EVO

Also - what are all the supplements? 

I'm sure all this stuff is answered...

Evo, eh? You won't want to miss this recent post from the Tripawds Nutrition blog , review the comments for lots of feedback from mebers too ...

Evo Sold to Proctor and Gamble, Now What?
June 15th, 2010 by jerry in Diet

And we have compiled lots of links to helpful information about recommended supplements for cancer dogs on the Tripawds Nutrition blog Supplements page. We also share the details of Jerry's  canine cancer diet and suplements there.

You will find a wealth of information here, indeed. Use the forum search above, browse the blogs, or just ask like you have here. Information is power. The best recommendation we can offer is to do your homework, pick a recommended treatment plan, stick with it and share the results with others.

Thanks again for joining, and best wishes for Denali. Can't wait to see a photo!

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Food is a never ending question.  I have fought this one almost from day one.  Trouble, in addition to the cancer had allergies all her life.  Feeding something that would not make her allergies flare and would suite the bill for cancer was a real challenge.  For many years I fed IVD Duck and Potato (now Royal Canin). When we acquired a second dog last year, I needed something a little less expensive and more readily available - Duck & Potato was available only from the vet, and not all vets!  I decided to try Natural Balance - venison & sweet potato, - single source protein, single source carb for allergies & no grain for cancer.  That worked well for a little less than a year.  We had to give a round of prednisone and the 'starving munchies' made it necessary to feed more than normal.  Trouble gained weight.  Desperately trying to reduce the calories, I switched to the Natural Balance reduced calorie.  Trouble wasn't satisfied, and it had brown rice (not my first choice for a cancer dog) After 2 weeks of a grumbly dog, I asked our vet for a home cooked reducing diet.  We started it on Wednesday.  She isn't starving anymore, but I've had to substitute turkey for the beef.  She has a beef allergy.  Will we stay with this long term?  Not sure, but hoping to stay with it long enough to get the weight down and her at a stable lower weight.

You will make it through the food puzzle.  Define what your needs are and start there.  If one doesn't work the way you expected, try a different one. There are websites that rate commercially prepared foods.  Choose a high rated food in your budget that fits your needs.  If you cannot find a prepared food, your vet can probaby recommend a home cooked to get you started.

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Acana is also available to me - and actually the Wild Prarie is the most cost effective option for me.  I just saw that it has the sweet potato, pumpkin and some fruits in it - but it does claim to be low-carb.

 

Ingredients:

Chicken meal, russet potato, boneless chicken, boneless walleye,
whitefish meal*, peas, chicken fat (naturally preserved with vitamin E),
sun-cured alfafa, chicken liver, boneless lake whitefish, whole eggs,
salmon oil, sweet potato, pumpkin, spinach, turnip greens, tomatoes,
carrots, apples, organic kelp, cranberries, blueberries, juniper
berries, blackcurrants, chicory root, licorice root, angelica roots,
fenugreek, marigold flowers, lavender flowers, summer savory, rosemary,
vitamin a, Vitamin D3, Vitamin E, niacin, zinc proteinate, thiamine
mononitrate, riboflavin, vitamin B5, Iron proteinate, folic acid,
biotin, vitamin B12, selenium, dried lactobacillus acidophilus
fermentation product, dried Enterococcus faecium fermentation product.

*ACANA's whitefish meal contains wild-caught flounder, halibut and cod.

~~~~ Denali ~~~~

June 9, 2010 OSA suspected

June 17, 2010, July 14, 2010 Clear X-rays – no mets

July 1, 2010 Amputation

July 9, 2010 OSA Confirmed

November 23, 2010 Cancer took you from me - Never forgotten, Always Loved - Forever

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hugapitbull said:

There are websites that rate commercially prepared foods.  Choose a high rated food in your budget that fits your needs.


 

http://www.dogf.....dvisor.com

Amputation on 11/10/09, due to Histiocytic Sarcoma in left elbow. Angel Harley earned his wings on 06/24/10.

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It is very overwhelming.  I still don't get it.  But from the little I know that hasn't changed on me, you're on the right track.  I'm no expert, but Acana's list of ingredients looks similar to what I've seen for the trusted brands.  Too bad about the buyout for Evo. 

I'll throw out one other brand that I don't think we mentioned yet (at least not on this thread) – Taste of the Wild.  Hopefully adding another option doesn't just make your head spin more – haha.  The makers of K9 Immunity recommend it, particularly for cancer dogs.  And Tripawds recommends K9 Immunity, so sounded good to me.  Gerry loved it.  Sadly, I had to take him off it because he has a sensitive stomach now (not related to the food).  Oh well, at least Gerry isn't a cancer dog (knock wood) and he also loves his prescription food (just loves food, really).  Taste of the Wild might be too pricey – I could see that – and you do have substantial vet bills to factor in now frown.  But among the grain-free foods at my local pet store, I remember Taste of the Wild being on the less expensive end.

Hang in there.  I don't know any caring dog owner who hasn't been utterly flabbergasted by trying to pick the right dog food.

 

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He was a shelter dog with a mysterious past and an irrepairable knee injury.

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Oh, and for supplements for cancer-related problems, I've only ever gotten suggestions here.  When I asked Yoda's (my osteosarcoma boy's) oncologist about supplements, she said that unfortunately they aren't taught about supplements and don't have literature on their effectivenes, so it was up to me, what I thought best, basically.  She wasn't for or against them. 

One of Gerry's vets was familiar with Dasuquin and suggested it right away when I asked if there was a supplement or anything (I was playin' dumb a little bit there, since I'd already gotten recommendations here) that could be good for maintaining Gerry's joint health, given the extra strain on three legs.

So it doesn't hurt to ask oncologists/vets for tips on diet and supplements, and that's always preferable to trying to figure it out yourself, but they might not have much to say on the subject.

Gerry has been a tripawd since 12/16/2009.

He was a shelter dog with a mysterious past and an irrepairable knee injury.

Videos and pics of Gerry's pawesomeness can be found at: http://gerry.tripawds.com

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First of all, breathe. You are dealing with so much. Make a deal with yourself to focus on one thing at a time, each day. Don't let the amount of information out there overwhelm you and rob you of time with the pack.

I wouldn't say most of us home cook. There are a lot of us who do but I'd say the majority of people do a combination of home cooking and kibble, raw or dehydrated diets. After all, it ain't easy to feed one 85 pound dog with home cooked foods, much less two. Most of us made the switch after our dogs got sick.

The best thing you can do right now is to read up on cancer nutrition, but don't rush your dog into a brand new diet while you're both dealing with so much. When Denali is recuperating you can do some experimenting with boiled chicken and rice, if her appetite is lagging, and see how she does on it. But remember that making a switch to any kind of new diet can throw a dog's digestive system into a tailspin, to go easy with the changes. IMHO, the more whole, real foods you can give a dog, the better, as long as they're nutritious and not feeding the cancer (like starches and carbs).

GerrysMom is right; you can inquire about supplements with your onco/vet, but most don't have a whole lot of knowledge about it unless they've taken extra post-grad training. If this is something you're interested in, those medical professionals are out there, but you need to search them out. Dr. Demian Dressler, author of the Dog Cancer Survival Guide, is once such vet, and his blog and e-book book have tons of great advice about nutrition too.

 

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I completely relate to the confusion and stress when it comes to feeding the dogs.  However, I just recently finished a nutrition course in my Vet Tech schooling and I have a lot of things worth noting.

First off: for all those who are home cooking their dog food, the main worry is that your dogs may not actually be getting the nutrients they need.  These dogs need to go in for regular check ups twice a year instead of just once a year to make sure they are getting the nutrients they need.  I would also highly suggest that you give your recipes to your vets for them to analyze.

Second: There are a lot of different holistic dog foods out there.  However, after looking at a lot of them and comparing prices, I would highly suggest you all take a look at Diamond dog food.  This would be great for Denali's family as it's a holisitc dog food, but at the price of a typical dog food.  A 20 lb bag is only about $20.  My dogs love it!

If you are looking at the nutrition labels, the things you need to look at are the guaranteed analysis and then the first five ingredients.  The guaranteed analysis will show you the main types that are in the ingredients.  You want to look at how much protein there is (above 20 percent is good), how much fat, and how much fiber there is.  If your dog is overweight, geriatric, or diabetic it's best to have high fiber diets.  As for fat, well you don't want too much of it.  I would also look at if they mention Vitamin A and E which are essential to any dog, and as long as they have it then you are good.  When it comes to the ingredients, they are placed in order of the most to the least.  The first ingredient is going to be the main ingredient.  Make sure there is some sort of meat in the first 5 ingredients.  When it says by-product, it is saying that the meat that is being used are things like kidneys, liver, intestines, etc.  

These are just some essential things to look at when it comes to looking at dog food.  I took the time to look at the ingredients that were mentioned by everyone, and they all seem to be fine.  The biggest thing that comes next is price.  That is where the owner has to make the final decision.  

Good luck all!

Lucky Amputation 10/29/09 Adoption 12/5/09
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FYI there was a recall on Diamond Dog Food about a year or so ago after many pets died after eating it.  Cause of death was linked to an aflatoxin found in moldy corn.  This toxin causes an irreversible liver damage that is usually fatal.  I 'm sure that this problem has been fixed and I know a lot of breeders feed this because it is cheap but in my opinion you get what you pay for.

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I switched my dogs to Blue Buffalo Holistic diet after Jake was diagnosed. http://www.blue......shtml It was cheaper than the prescription vet diet I had previously been feeding him. I also cooked a chicken/turkey stew with veggies once a week, and supplemented their dry food with it. They loved it!

Ingredients

Deboned Chicken, Chicken Meal, Whole Ground Brown Rice, Whole Ground Barley, Oatmeal, Chicken Fat (naturally preserved with Mixed Tocopherols), Rye, Tomato Pomace (natural source of Lycopene), Natural Chicken Flavor, Whole Potatoes, Peas, Whole Carrots, Whole Sweet Potatoes, Blueberries, Cranberries, Flaxseed(natural source of Omega 3 and 6 Fatty Acids), Barley Grass, Dried Parsley, Garlic, Alfalfa Meal, Dried Kelp, Yucca Schidigera Extract, L-Carnitine, L-Lysine, Glucosamine Hydrochloride, Turmeric, Sunflower Oil (natural source of Omega 6 Fatty Acids), Fish Oil (natural source of Omega 3 Fatty Acids), Dried Chicory Root, Oil of Rosemary, Beta Carotene, Vitamin A Supplement, Thiamine Mononitrate (Vitamin B1), Riboflavin (Vitamin B2), Niacin (Vitamin B3), d-Calcium Pantothenate (Vitamin B5), Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B6), Biotin (Vitamin B7), Folic Acid (Vitamin B9), Vitamin B12 Supplement, Calcium Ascorbate (source of Vitamin C), Vitamin D3 Supplement, Vitamin E Supplement, Iron Amino Acid Chelate, Zinc Amino Acid Chelate, Manganese Amino Acid Chelate, Copper Amino Acid Chelate, Choline Chloride, Sodium Selenite, Calcium Iodate, Salt, Caramel, Potassium Chloride, Saccharomyces cerevisiae, Lactobacillus acidophilus, Bacillus subtilis, Enterococcus faecium .

Guaranteed Analysis

Crude Protein 24.0% min
Crude Fat 14.0% min
Crude Fiber 4.0% max
Moisture 10.0% max
Calcium 1.0% min
Phosphorus 0.9% min
Omega 3 Fatty Acids* 0.3% min
Omega 6 Fatty Acids* 3.5% min
Beta Carotene* 5.0 mg/kg min
Glucosamine* 400 mg/kg min

 

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good to hear that you guys liked the blue buffalo.  we were thinking of trying that, and didn't know if the girls would be interested.  we are currently trying out the honest kitchen 'thrive', and they really like it (which surprised me...), but i'd like to find a 'kibble' that is best for them as well...

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tazziedog said:

FYI there was a recall on Diamond Dog Food about a year or so ...

Thanks Pam! We always appreciate your professional feednback and have removed our links for purchasing Diamand.

 

jakesmom said:

I switched my dogs to Blue Buffalo Holistic diet after Jake was
diagnosed.

Good stuff! Dog Food Advisor rates Blue Buffalo Life Protection kibble with four stars. Here's more info about Blue Buffalo from Entirely Pets...

[Image Can Not Be Found] Blue Buffalo Senior Chicken & Brown Rice Recipe
Entirely Pets

BLUE Buffalo Chicken and Brown Rice Recipe (6 lbs) for senior dogs is formulated with ingredients chosen specifically to help them maintain their overall health and well-being.High-Quality Protein Dogs love our tasty chicken, and it provides them with essential amino acids they need every day.Wholesome Whole Grains Hearty whole grains like brown rice, barley and oats supply the complex carbohydrates that your dog needs for energy.Healthy Garden Veggies Whole carrots, sweet potatoes and garlic are three of the nutrient-rich vegetables that your dog will get in every bite of BLUE.








 

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Thanks everybody.  I have a local pet boutique, and I'm trying to stay with her as she can generally work with me on prices since she knows what's going on.  If I have to go through Pet Supplies Plus or PetSmart or PetCo -- I doubt they'd be as willing to help me.  She carries the Natura line (yes I know proctor and gamble purchased them) - EVO, California Natural (including the Grain-Free), Innova, Karma, Healthwise,  Orijen, Acana, Fromm, Newman's Own, Natural Balance, and Solid Gold.

~~~~ Denali ~~~~

June 9, 2010 OSA suspected

June 17, 2010, July 14, 2010 Clear X-rays – no mets

July 1, 2010 Amputation

July 9, 2010 OSA Confirmed

November 23, 2010 Cancer took you from me - Never forgotten, Always Loved - Forever

Supporting the Fighters, Admiring the Survivors, Honoring the Taken, And never, ever giving up Hope

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