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Happy Hannah's bladder tap shows bacteria, blood, so..take Cytoxan?
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26 August 2013 - 9:32 pm
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FINALLY hear today .....from tech voice mail....bladder tap shows bacteria and blood.......to put her on Clavamox for one week .....750 mg a.m. and 750 mg. p.m.......do ANOTHER bladder tap at end of week.....will NOT give me prescription til "cleared up.

The free catch two weeks ago showed 0 to 3 red cells in field (?)

IF I'm nderstanding this stuff right...-from the info. on the site, (certainly not today's "voice mails").....

Had there been NO bacteria and just blood...then tnat means Cytoxan was the cause right?

Because the tap did show blood AND bacteria.....it IS a UTI and she CAN take Cytoxan, right?

HOWEVER, f dogs have UTI's (and she's NEVER had ne before), then they should NOT take Cytoxan anyway, right?

Bjt now she can take Lasix AND Cytoxan ?

So here we are trying to get her back n Cytoxan again OR not?

Thank you for your time amd valued nput.

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Sally and Happy Hannah

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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Hey Sally, I'm sorry to hear about the test results. I can't tell you what you should or shouldn't do but I just want you to know we are sending you and Hannah lots of hugs and hope those pesky bacteria & blood cells go away!

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PFFFFFT#$%!!!!!!@&!!!!  That's all I can think of to say.  Except we send huge big honking hugs and virtual ice cream to you and H. Hannah.  And e-Sambuca, too; that might kill that stinkin' bacteria.

Deep breath.  And I hope today you got some straight answers.

xoxoxoxo  Hugs and hearts to you and Happy Hannah.

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Sally
Hope all this becomes clearer, sounds terribly confusing. Hugs to Hannah on getting back to herself.

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It sounds like they did a cysto urine which is good.  I usually run a culture and see which bacteria grow (Staph, EColi, etc) and then plan duration of treatment and antibiotic choice from there.  Tazzie grew Psuedomonas which is nasty so I elected to stop the Cytoxan.  If it is just Staph with a good sensitivity (lots of antibiotics work) then I would feel okay with doing the Cytoxan.

 

If this is another free catch urine then I would not want to see any blood in it.

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Hey! I've been away and thanks to Michelle, I was directed right to your post, Sally.

Ok, some biology and medicine here (I'm no expert, though!).  As for the blood vs bacteria, cystitis vs UTI issue: officially, to have a UTI there must be bacteria.  So without bacteria, it's cystitis.  What may have happened is that her cytoxan irritated her bladder enough for bacteria to move in and colonize.  Bacteria love inflammation.  Plus, with inflammation, some dogs try to ease that by licking their lady- or boy-parts.  This could introduce bacteria that's not normally there into her urinary system.  So I know we all like to parse this issue out and say, "well, if it's only blood it's b/c of cytoxan and if it's bacteria then it's a UTI and not caused by cytoxan."  I don't think that's right.  Again, it's hard to say where and how the bacteria got there, but suffice it to say that if there's inflammation (ie, blood), there's a strong chance bacteria will move in eventually; it's just a matter of time for those buggers to get where they shouldn't be!

Keep her on the antibiotics, for sure.  That'll help a lot!  I presume with her urine sample they cultured it, so you know that clavamox will work?

I guess we were lucky that we caught Jackson's problem early enough that he didn't have any bacteria.  I say "I guess" b/c it's possible that with an antibiotic his time to healing would have been faster.  But, this also meant we didn't have to pay for another drug and deal with another drug.  It is what it is!

Given her history, like Jackson's, she's never had a UTI or cystitis before and the only thing that's new is cytoxan.  She's having problems b/c of cytoxan!  What you and I are going through is an expected, unsurprising side effect of cytoxan.  We were advised to never go on cytoxan ever again.  Jackson's bladder is now sensitive to it and if we were to go back on it, he'd just experience cystitis again and maybe even a UTI.  No thanks!  Leukeran it is.

Make sense?  Where there's inflammation, bacteria will likely follow.  Bacteria means a UTI, but that can (also) be caused by (indirectly) cytoxan.  In the end, does it matter?  She's suffering b/c of cytoxan.  Does it matter if it's cystitis or a UTI?  In my opinion, no.  Get her on the road to recovery....which for us, is now at 6 weeks!

~ Katy & Jackson

ACL tear in right hind leg 12/5/12 and scheduled ACL repair surgery 12/21/12. Pre-op xrays revealed osteosarcoma. Amputation 12/28/12.  Chemo (carboplatin) started Jan 10, 2013 and ended on April 5, for a total of 5 doses. He handled carbo like a champ!  No side effects.  We started metronomic therapy at his third chemo and have been also doing some holistic treatments.  He's a lively, playful 10 year old huskie-boarder collie and a very proud member of the Winter Warriors!  Our love. Our funny little guy!

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27 August 2013 - 8:32 pm
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KATY! am in tears with gratitude and I mean that!! And my gratitude to Michell for giving you a heads up while she,s going through so much!

You make INCREDIBLY good sense and you explained it perfectly"!

I wish had a printer.....duh....then I would have to figure out how to use itcrying

I am writing this down verbatim and then keeping in my important Happy Hannah's stuff I'm going back to the posts you and Michelle started on discussing Cytoxan and Leukeran. You and Michelle are self taught experts in my opiion.....no need dor disclaimer...I kow you aren't vets! I just wishyou were Hapoh Hannah's onco! ......Wait!......I think you are!clap

Amd tnis is l after sne had been in it two weeks! I would hate to thi k what would happen after five months!

You have noooooooo idea ow I was hoping yo would see this and respondclap You cntribute so much to al of us!

If I go the "Universe is guiding me" route...I've been trying to get her going n Cytoxan for ...gosh.......six weeks, seven weeks or so?...and it's been o e crazy delay after another.....except for the brief two week period she was on it. So clearly this "may" not be the way to go for Hapoy Hannah....from a Universe perspectivesuperstar

Dr. katy, a zillion thank yos again! Hapoy Hannah has her crayons out and she's making yoj and Jackson smething. It might take a bit for me to post it so check back here i a little bit if you can!

Now, p,ease let me/us kow ow Fetchon Jackson is doing! He's quite an inspiratinal fella' you know!

Oh Katy, I can't thank you enough! I try not to snow my "worr wart" side anymore because feel like I should be beyond that by now! And am.....on MOST days! blush But trying to figure this cytoxan stuff out was driving me nuts....er...nuttier....clown

-HUGE HUGS TO YOU!

Grateful Sally and Happy Hannah

Yes, itis clavamox (Augmenti ?) that the voice mail said to ut her nn so I have to believe the culture dictated that.

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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27 August 2013 - 10:29 pm
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Tazzie! Thank you! I just saw this. We are all so darn lucky to have your support!

I will find oit the specific bacteriabut she did recommend clavamox (augmenti?}

Tank yo again Tazzie, for all you do!

ESTHER and SNOOP! tThanks for your continued support and good wishes. How 'bout a blog from you o Snoop? of course, this from someone who has no clue how to do it myself! You add a lot of "pawsitivity" to the commjnity!

LIZ AND ROXIE ROO ROOOOOO! Honking hugs? Sambuca? Ice cream? Yeah! .......I'll have what she's having! Thanks for the good wishes! Can't wait to see those portraits of Roxie and Smokey!

Jerry, as always, thank you for being you! Have you ever had a "honking hug"? Me either, but I'm sendingmyoumone!

Grateful to each of you!

Sally and Happy Hannah

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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27 August 2013 - 11:00 pm
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I missed this post earlier - I hates bacteria and not so fond of blood either. So glad you got some great responses on here and can make a plan of some sort. OK Hannah - stomp this stuff in the ground with all three feet!!! Maybe eat some pizza in between!

Thinking of you.

Luanne and Shooter

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I'm glad you found it helpful!  Little does Jackson know how powerful or influential his pee is!

When I read your post, I was thinking to myself "Geee, I didn't think Hannah was on cytoxan for that long..."  Wow, so she developed these problems just 2 weeks in?  Yikes!  Is she straining too?  FYI - straining for Jackson was him just standing there, waiting for pee to come out.  It's not like I saw his tummy contract or his face screw up.  I had to laugh when his vet was asking if he was straining!  What the hell does that look like?!  Hehehe.

Putting her on some cranberry product can help.  We used Cranimals.  It smells SO good and he loved it!

~ Katy & Jackson

ACL tear in right hind leg 12/5/12 and scheduled ACL repair surgery 12/21/12. Pre-op xrays revealed osteosarcoma. Amputation 12/28/12.  Chemo (carboplatin) started Jan 10, 2013 and ended on April 5, for a total of 5 doses. He handled carbo like a champ!  No side effects.  We started metronomic therapy at his third chemo and have been also doing some holistic treatments.  He's a lively, playful 10 year old huskie-boarder collie and a very proud member of the Winter Warriors!  Our love. Our funny little guy!

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