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27 June 2012 - 7:14 pm
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Sending more pawsitive thoughts to our new furry friend, Alex.

 

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29 June 2012 - 10:32 pm
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So sorry to hear about the added cost!  Jeepers!

I hope it turns out okay for the best.  Will be thinking about you! 

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Thanks again for everyone's kindness. Biopsy results are back. The lab says it's squamous cell carcinoma. The vet said it's a very aggressive one, especially comparing x-rays of foot just a few weeks apart. From what I understand it's a common cancer in cats. I just spoke with the oncologist. I guess if it's on the face, surgery works better. On the foot, it's highly likely it metastasized from lungs. He said only direction (besides euthanasia) we can take from here is amputation of the leg. But, he said that's not really what he would recommend because he believes it will come back in a few months in a different spot. I told him I didn't know what to say or do at the moment. Most likely I will just let him go, I don't want him to suffer like this.    

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3 July 2012 - 12:26 pm
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I'm so very sorry to hear you are dealing with an aggressive cancer.  Did he say it's highly likely it metastasized from the lungs (leg was not original site) or that he believes it's highly likely it has metastasized to the lungs (leg being the original site).  Have they done chest x-rays to confirm cancer in the lungs (lung mets)?  If the cancer originated in the leg, where does he believe it will come back (if the leg is gone). My personal inclination would to proceed with the amputation IF the cancer originated in the leg and the lungs are clear-- statistics tell you nothing about your particular cat.  If the cancer has already set up shop in the lungs, then things are a great deal more serious, and your vet would almost certainly advise against amputation. However, it is a very tough decision, and one only you can make.  We are all here for you whichever route you chose to go, as it is clear you love Alex very much and will do whatever is in his best interest. Thinking of you.

Scout: January 31, 2002 to November 7, 2011

Scout's diagnosis was "poorly differentiated sarcoma"; amputation 1/11/2011.  Scout enjoyed 9 fantastic years on 4 legs and 9 glorious months on 3 legs.  If love alone could have saved you…

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3 July 2012 - 1:06 pm
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Oh no - I'm so sorry to hear this news. You are doing so much for Alex and when you get these kind of results it's sooo hard. Chest xrays are a good idea to rule out lung involvement, maybe this is a question for your vet.

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3 July 2012 - 3:20 pm
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I'm so sorry that you have gotten bad news.  I agree with everyone else that chest x-rays to see if metastasis is visible would be a good idea.  I don't know about squamous cell carcinoma, but the assumption with osteosarcoma is that is has metastasized to the lungs even if you can't see it.  That's why the prognosis usually isn't great.  However, even if that is the case, if you can't see it yet, your odds of getting more time are better, so most people here opt to go ahead and do amputation even knowing that statistic.  So many dogs around here have survived for so long after terrible prognoses - as Scout said, statistics tell you nothing about your particular cat. 

 

I agree about not wanting him to suffer, but if your vet thinks it might come back in a few months, if Alex manages to stay cancer free even just for those few months, that is pain-free, quality time that you get to spend together.  Plus, again, there's always a chance that it won't come back or that it will take longer to come back and you will get "bonus" time.  I say all of this having just lost my dog less than 2 months after her amp.  I thought the statistics were looking pretty good for us as far as osteosarcoma goes...she did well and there were plenty of things to indicate that she would be one of the ones to make it for quite a while.  That just goes to show how little statistics mean.  They can be wrong either positively or negatively, and all you can do is take care of him the best way you know how, love him as much as you can, and enjoy every second of the time you have together.  I have to say that even though my dog got screwed, I wouldn't take back doing her amp.  The not quite two months of pain-free time that we had together were wonderful and I wouldn't give that time back for anything.

 

It's a terrible decision to have to make.  Only you know what is best for him and for you.  If you decide to move forward with x-rays and/or the amp, your oncologist may well be supportive even if it's not necessarily what he would recommend; however, if he isn't, you might consider looking into finding a new doctor who is more on board with your treatment decisions.

 

Lots of pawsitive thoughts headed your way.

Alex (the female human version, not the male cat version)

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3 July 2012 - 4:02 pm
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OK Scout said
I'm so very sorry to hear you are dealing with an aggressive cancer.  Did he say it's highly likely it metastasized from the lungs (leg was not original site) or that he believes it's highly likely it has metastasized to the lungs (leg being the original site).  Have they done chest x-rays to confirm cancer in the lungs (lung mets)?  If the cancer originated in the leg, where does he believe it will come back (if the leg is gone). My personal inclination would to proceed with the amputation IF the cancer originated in the leg and the lungs are clear-- statistics tell you nothing about your particular cat.  If the cancer has already set up shop in the lungs, then things are a great deal more serious, and your vet would almost certainly advise against amputation. However, it is a very tough decision, and one only you can make.  We are all here for you whichever route you chose to go, as it is clear you love Alex very much and will do whatever is in his best interest. Thinking of you.

See, that's the thing, I'm not sure. I only slept a few hours, then I had an appointment with the oncologist at 7am this morning. I took Alex down there. He said the biopsy results weren't back. He took the bandage off his leg and we went home. He called me awhile after to say he did get the results, and talked to me over the phone . I'm running on lack of sleep, but I feel pretty sure he was saying it had metastasized from the lungs. I was confused by that because we've done a lung x-ray and it appeared clear. I was about to interrupt him, but then he started saying even if we amputate the leg, his opinion is it will just appear somewhere else within a few months. I tried to find info on this cancer. Here it says:

  In the period 1993-1998, digital carcinomas in 64 cats were examined. In all animals primary complaints were painful digit(s). Eight cats had a primary squamous cell carcinoma which involved one digit or two adjacent digits of one leg. Fifty-six cats had metastases of a pulmonary carcinoma in the digits, and in general multiple digits of different legs were involved. In many of these cats metastases also occurred in other organs, including the skin and muscles. No primary sweat gland carcinomas of the digits were seen. Primary squamous cell carcinomas of the digits were characterized by cornification and the absence of PAS-positive cells, PAS-positive secretory material. Immunohistochemically, these neoplasms stained negative with the monoclonal antibody CAM 5.2 directed against Keratin 8 (K 8). The metastases of pulmonary carcinomas to the digits showed one or more of the following histological features: goblet cells, ciliated epithelial cells, PAS-positive cells or lakes, and/or a PAS-positive lining of luminal membranes and no cornification. Immunohistochemically, they showed positive staining for CAM 5.2 (K8). Thoracic radiographs from three cats with a primary squamous cell carcinoma showed no abnormalities, whereas all cases of metastases from a pulmonary carcinoma to the digits available for follow-up showed evidence of a primary pulmonary carcinoma on radiography and/or postmortem examination (25 out of 56). The conclusion of this study was that most carcinomas in the digits of cats were metastases of a primary pulmonary carcinoma (87.5%). Primary squamous cell carcinomas occurred infrequently. The prognosis of metastases of a pulmonary carcinoma in the digits is poor with an average survival time of 4.9 weeks, in contrast to 29.5 weeks in cats with a squamous cell carcinoma. These data stress the importance of taking thoracic radiographs of cats with digital tumours before surgical intervention.  Source: http://www.ncbi.....d/10952443

 

I guess in most cases of squamous cell sarcoma in the digits (toes) it does metastasize from the lungs? Maybe he's just assuming something missed on x-ray? Or, maybe he just feels it's going to spread anyway, so he's just giving an extremely poor prognosis. I didn't know what to say. I didn't say much really. He said he will communicate all this to my regular vet. My regular vet won't be back until Thursday, so I plan on thinking more, and talking to him then.

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3 July 2012 - 4:13 pm
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I'm so sorry that you have gotten bad news.  I agree with everyone else that chest x-rays to see if metastasis is visible would be a good idea.  I don't know about squamous cell carcinoma, but the assumption with osteosarcoma is that is has metastasized to the lungs even if you can't see it.  That's why the prognosis usually isn't great.  However, even if that is the case, if you can't see it yet, your odds of getting more time are better, so most people here opt to go ahead and do amputation even knowing that statistic.  So many dogs around here have survived for so long after terrible prognoses - as Scout said, statistics tell you nothing about your particular cat. 

 

I agree about not wanting him to suffer, but if your vet thinks it might come back in a few months, if Alex manages to stay cancer free even just for those few months, that is pain-free, quality time that you get to spend together.  Plus, again, there's always a chance that it won't come back or that it will take longer to come back and you will get "bonus" time.  I say all of this having just lost my dog less than 2 months after her amp.  I thought the statistics were looking pretty good for us as far as osteosarcoma goes...she did well and there were plenty of things to indicate that she would be one of the ones to make it for quite a while.  That just goes to show how little statistics mean.  They can be wrong either positively or negatively, and all you can do is take care of him the best way you know how, love him as much as you can, and enjoy every second of the time you have together.  I have to say that even though my dog got screwed, I wouldn't take back doing her amp.  The not quite two months of pain-free time that we had together were wonderful and I wouldn't give that time back for anything.

 

It's a terrible decision to have to make.  Only you know what is best for him and for you.  If you decide to move forward with x-rays and/or the amp, your oncologist may well be supportive even if it's not necessarily what he would recommend; however, if he isn't, you might consider looking into finding a new doctor who is more on board with your treatment decisions.

 

Lots of pawsitive thoughts headed your way.

Alex (the female human version, not the male cat version)

 

Thanks Alex:)

It's true. Statistics are just that. Back in 2004 I had cancer and it had spread in my lymph nodes. I would terrify myself by getting online reading statistics. lol. I had surgery and chemo. But that was 8 years ago, and I'm just fine.

 

 

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3 July 2012 - 4:50 pm
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I am sorry to hear you are going through this.  It sounds like you need that clarification because the prognosis appears to be very different depending on whether it is primary lung cancer or primary squamous cell carcimona.

I don't know a lot about primary lung cancer but if it has metastasised to the foot then I would have thought something would show up on the lung xrays???

Hopefully your regular vet can clarify it for you so that you can make an informed decision. Please let us know how it goes.

 

Karen and Spirit Magnum

Magnum: 30th May 2002 to 5th May 2012. Lost her back left leg to osteosarcoma on 5th Sep 2011. Lung mets found on 20th Mar 2012 but it was bone mets in the hip that ended her brave battle. Magnum's motto - "Dream as if you'll live for ever, live as if you'll die today" (James Dean). Loyal, loving, courageous and spirited to the end. My beloved heart dog, see her memoirs from Rainbow Bridge ...... http://princess.....pawds.com/

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3 July 2012 - 5:30 pm
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I'm so sorry! I was hoping that the news would be better. 

Statistics are just numbers...they don't take into account Alex or his personal medical history. Lots of us were given poor prognosis and beat the odds, so it's definitely possible, but of course it's not a guarantee. Cancer is such a luck of the draw kind of thing, you just never know how it will behave. I don't know much about this type of cancer, I wish I could help there.

For now, write down all of your questions so you're prepared when you see the vet. If you still aren't comfortable with the diagnosis, you can always get a second opinion for peace of mind. 

Hugs, hugs and more hugs coming your way. We know this is a tough place to be in. Try to follow Alex's lead, and remember, he doesn't know what cancer is. 

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5 July 2012 - 5:15 pm
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I'm also doubting the biopsy results now too. I thought it was a good idea to do it, but wonder how accurate they are?

 

I'm reading about squamous cell sarcoma in cats and there are 3 types. Alex's symptoms don't really match with any of them. Two types will typically only be found in the head area. The third, can be found in the leg but would have multiple visible lesions on the skin. Squamous cell sarcoma is also more where it attacks soft tissue, not finding much of anything about it aggressively eating bone (which is the most serious problem for Alex). Whatever it is is quickly eating his bone. I think they may have misdiagnosed him again, and I'm sorry now that I let the vet talk me out of getting the amputation on the 27th, to get a biopsy instead. I had a good past experience with this particular vet with a different pet. But, I don't feel like it's going well with Alex. Not to be mean, but it's difficult to find a good vet in AZ. The one I have is probably the best, but he just seems puzzled, even with all these tests. In the meantime, my cats leg is just getting worse and worse. So frustrated. Oh btw, I saw comment questioning about about if we did x-ray's, and we did. Lung x-rays clear. Also abdomen x-ray, only abnormal finding is very tiny kidney or bladder stones.   

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5 July 2012 - 9:51 pm
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I'm so sorry to hear this.

You have just got to put your foot down and tell your vet to amputate that leg or you are going to another vet or worse!!!!  At this point, any vet is better.  For him to suggest a biopsy over your request for amputation makes me question his motives.  It's not easy changing vets but darnit...this is a bit bizarre.  You didn't want a biopsy, you wanted the leg off!  The leg is probably painful!  Regardless of what kind of cancer it is, the leg is painful and it needs to come off!

 

Your gut is probably right on all accounts.  Stand firm.  We are behind you!  Your little one is suffering while your vet is running a battery of tests scratching his head!   

Her Retired AvatarComet - 1999 to 2011

She departed us unexpectedly  January 23, 2011 at the age of 12 1/2.

She was born with a deformed front leg and a tripawd all of her life.

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5 July 2012 - 10:42 pm
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I'll add it too, that I had a friend whose cat lost his leg because of getting hit by a car. He did great, adjusted perfectly and lived for many more years afterward. Cats do seem to adjust easier than dogs. Ok, so maybe they are more graceful, but they do well.
I'm sorry that you're going through all of this, but I think that you are making the right decision.
Hang in there.

Kona turned 9yrs on April 16, 2010.
Kona was diagnosed Memorial Weekend 2010 with osteosarcoma.
Right rear leg amputated on June 4th. First chemo June 18th 2010
Second chemo July 9th, 2010      Third and final (yea !!!) chemo July 30th, 2010
ONE TOUGH GIRL this Australian Cattledog !

***Kona's journey/fight ended late in the evening of December 22, 2010***

                               We Love you so much Kona….always   

  Bella 9yrs, albino lab/aussie shep/pit?(abandoned in mts as a puppy) deaf & blind (from birth) in one eye limited vision in other.(laid back, ok lazy 73 lbs)

Cotton, 5yrs, albino hound/terrier of somesort/???(abandoned in mts as a puppy) deaf & blind in one eye(from birth), excellent vision in seeing eye. (ball addict…destroyer of Kong balls…yes,etc), high energy 55lbs knots of muscle)

Kona Kai's pup brother and sister as well as her buddy and playmate cat, Shaymous 12yrs (like Seamus), miss her terribly.


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Did your vet take a 3-view xray of the chest to look for lung tumors? It is true that cats often get primary lung tumors that met to the toes but the primary tumor is usually quite visible.  If there is not a lung tumor then I would still consider amputation to relieve the pain and then get a more accurate biospy.

Pam

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I don't know if he took a 3-view x-ray. The point of the lung x-ray was to check for any growths, so I hope that he did it correctly. He took x-rays of the abdomen too. They didn't find anything. I talked to the veterinarian this morning. He said a few times it could have spread, that it may just buy some time for us. He acts surprised I'm still thinking about doing the amputation. Or, at least that's my impression. I'm not sure what he's thinking, as if I would just rather sit around watching cancer spread in my cat, when I have another option? So, this Wednesday we are doing the amputation. I also bought C-Caps, it's supposed to fight cancer cells. I would really hate to see Alex suffer through a major surgery like this if he truly doesn't have long to live. But, I do think we have a chance. Alex's spirits are still good. He's a happy cat other than his paw hurts.  

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