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After all the pet food scares, my people think the crap I ate as a puppy might have had something to do with my osteosarcoma. They also believe I am still hopping around happily more than a year after my diagnosis thanks to my healthy diet and supplements.

Whether your tripawd had cancer or is three-legged for another reason, a good diet is important for maintaining proper weight and a healthy immune system.

Please share your thoughts, questions and recommendations for a healthy diet here in this forum.

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We totally love Jerry's nutritional advice and have learnt alot from it. Lalla has a prescribed "inutuitive" diet, which is based on alot of fish, and recently a turkey-neck soup which my father makes for her. The thing is she is very fussy about what she eats, and won't compromise, which is a direct reflection from me, as I worked in the wine business for over twenty years, and my palate "controls" me. I think its revenge on my being a pescoterian.

 

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All my life my pawrents fed me commercial dog food.  As I am a finicky eater they mix kibbles and moisty together so that I would eat.  Then along came Jodi my mom's friend and tried to introduce us to the raw food diet.  My mom went to a seminar by the author who wrote Raw Meaty Bones and tried it on my and heck every time they gave me one of those I looked at her and asked "Are you firing the grill any time soon"?  So we went back to the commercial food.  After getting osteosarcoma and reading about Jerry's diet and some other resources, my mom decided to give the raw food diet another try.  Well I don't know whether it is that I am getting there in years or if she is the one getting there in years but this time around I LOVE IT!  She has followed a lot of Jerry's advice about the veggies and supplements. She also gives me some cottage cheese with flaxsee oil and K-9 Immunity.  For flavor we have tried garlic, ginger and parsley.  So far, paw licking good! I have more energy than ever even after surgery.

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I think the raw diet is great but I had concerns about potential salmonella poisoning with the raw meats, especially chicken. Do you wash the chicken in hot water or anything to clean it before feeding it to your dog? How do you minimize the risks?

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Kellie we are so glad that you're enjoying the raw diet. A lot of dogs don't like raw at first, and turn their noses up at it the first few times. They really don't know what to make of a chunk of raw meat in their bowl.

After all, if you humans had been fed a diet of sweet steady junk food all your life, what would you do when someone fed you something healthy and nutritious? Commercial dog food tastes like candy. . . it's the only way that companies can disguise what's in it and get us dogs to eat their slop!

It's great when pawrents give the raw diet another shot. Chances are, most dogs will go for it after a few times, and once they taste how good it is, they'll never want anything else.

As far as salmonella goes, there are two schools of thought on it. Raw diet advocates claim that dogs don't get salmonella, or at least aren't as susceptible to it as humans. But many oncologists don't like the raw diet for dogs with cancer, because they believe that with a weakened immune system, dogs with cancer are more likely to get sick from any bacteria on it.

My pawrents took a leap of faith and wanted to see if I could stay healthy on a raw diet. Well, I sure have, so they continue feeding it to me and I couldn't be happier.

When I eat chicken, Mom pretty much just tosses it in my bowl. She minimizes the risk of contamination by only buying organic or natural meats. If she does buy conventional meat, which happens a lot when you travel like I do, she buys Tyson brand. Apparently they have the highest standards out of chicken processers in the US. At least that's what Mom heard in a Raw food class she took.

Hope I answered your question, Crystal!

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My mom is very interested in a diet change for me. Honestly though, my mom is overwhelmed right now. In addition to me, we have a 10 month old  puppy and 3 human kids. One of the kids is a special needs boy with huge eating issues. He is great kid but there is alot of energy put into his eating, and hypersensitivity issues.  My mom wants the best for me and realizes that even the high end commercial food that I am on is not really great for me.  Is there an easy way to start on supplements?  Where is the best place to start?

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I have been on raw diet since I was 2, and I have no problems with it.  I loves it.  

I can't thank Dr. Ian Billinghurst and Kymythy Schultze enough.  It was Billinghurst's Give Your Dog a Bone, and Schultze's Natural Nutrition for Dogs and Cats, that helped my mom to take the leap of faith over 10 years ago. 

Our stomach juice (ph1) is way stronger than people (ph4).  Our guts are more capable!

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Almost all antioxidants are good.  As a start, the most common Vitamin A, B-complex, C, D, E, ... and then selenium, zinc, ...  These are the main ones for boosting.maintaining the immune system.  After you get a hang of it, gradually adding more other where you see fit, e.g. green tea extract, astragulas, grape seed extract, quercitin, CoQ10, Milk Thistle, Acidophulus, Omega-3... the list can go on.

We are a bit fortunate than our people because we manufacture our own Vitamin C.  Most people think that we don't need to be supplemented with Vitamin C. 

Unfortunately, when we are in stress (pollution, toxins, sick, trauma, aging, weather, ...) our body cannot produce enough C to help ourselves.  So I am glad mom is giving me megadose of it!

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Hi Charlie give it a try.  The first time around that I was fed raw food, I ran the other way.  I think it was not because I didn't like it but more that my mom was not very verse and knowledgeable about it.  This time around she has done so much reading and research she is ready.  The book that Genie is recommending here by Kymythy Schultze is the same one that my mom has and it is fantastic.  Also if you read Jerry's diet you will find that you can work something out to have your mom start you on the right direction.  My mom also went to the BARF website (link is right here in Jerry's site under Health Tips).  There she read about BARF, Budwig Diet and many other resources.  She found a distributor for BARF here in Georgia and bought me some (not a whole bunch) to see how I would react.  To make it tastier she adds garlic, some ginger and parsley to it and boy...believe me paw licking good.  She alternates and sometimes she adds flaxseed oil, cottage cheese, fish oil and glucosamine.  We are also giving the K-9 Immunity a try (just like Jerry) and so far I can tell you that I am feeling like I am 3 again (vs 11).  I have great appetite and lots of energy, my coat is very soft and shinny.  Give it a chance and try it..

P.S.  And did I tell you that sometimes I get apples, strawberries and blueberries in there too for dessert.  Yep got to hand it to my mommy, she chops chops chops and chops some more.  But the good thing about it is that my two brothers are getting some too...lucky dawgs!!!!

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My people just found a number of books by Kymythy Schultze.

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HI,

 The oncologist I'm taking my dog to disapproves of raw beef and eggs as, by law, the manufacturers do not have to  limit the amt of bacteria in the foods. Just because it's organic doesn't eliminate bacteria.

She also doesn't think a better diet/suppliments will change the course of the cancer, but might boost the immune system. This sounds contradictory..I didn't notice this til just now and will run this by her. I think she goes a lot by statistics, like most Dr.s.

 Am I going to kick myself for going to her too, even though she's a specialist? 

....second guessing myself..

micki 

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Hello Micki Z....let me tell you the story of my vet.  My mom and Dr. Golden do not see eye to eye too much.  He is very good to me and treats me very nicely while I am on chemo but he is a very scientific, statistic vet just like yours.  When my mom asked him about the raw diet and the supplements like K-9 Immunity his reaction was a very close minded one....so needless to say my Mom is a firm believer that she is the one that spends all the days with me and knows me inside and out and what makes me happy, stronger and keeps me humming.  So yes she is very diplomatic with the Dr. Golden and nods her head whenever he talks but behind the scenes.....I still get my raw diet as I love it and it has help me stay healthy and yep I still get the zillion supplements she started giving me after reading about Jerry and lots of the tripawds in this site....like K-9 Immunity, echinacea to boost my immune system, omega 3, cottage cheese, glucosamine, flaxseed etc....she just alternates them on different days.  My brother Lance is very sensitive to the environment and gets allergies very bad.  They discovered another supplement called DinoVite that is also natural and after years of him going to the allergy vet and getting shots and antibiotics they decided to start him on DinoVite and my mom saw the results in less than 2 weeks.  He quit scratching his skin off, and licking himself raw on his paws and legs and his ears were doing much better.  His allergy vet also saw the difference and asked my mom what they were giving him...contrary to Dr. Golden (my vet) she was very open minded and told my pawrents that if it was giving him relief and making him feel better to continue the supplement as it was not going to kill him.  so, now we are all on DinoVite.  check out the website and see if it something that your pawrents would like to try and it is more affordable than some other supplements.  the site is http://www.dinovite.com

hope your pawrents decide what is the best for you and what works for all of you and eventhough I am not saying to quit listening to the vet...as I am still doing my chemo and my checkups and everythign...that they decide like my pawrents what works for all of you.  Good luck and let us know how it goes.

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THere are some prepared raw diet foods out there in case you don't want to experiment on your own. I feed Buster http://www.auntjeni.com/

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Our own experience has been that yes, most vets dismiss anything holistic, and if you even mention the raw diet, they flip out. Even younger ones, like my 30-something year old surgeon at UC Davis, says that he understands that there are reported benefits to the diet, but that he can't endorse it, because he believes that "dogs with compromised immune systems" (there goes that phrase again), shouldn't be exposed to risks like getting sick from bacteria on meat.

Truth is, vets aren't getting educated on diet and nutrition in school, because their schools are usually taking money from pet food manufacturers like Hill's.

In my own situation, when I was a puppy, I used to have seizures. After my Mom did some research and learned what was really in pet food, she switched my diet to raw, and guess what; my seizures stopped! I never took any drugs for them or anything, it was all because I stopped eating "food" from a bag.

With my cancer situation, Mom has added various supplements, and I still eat mostly raw. We believe that the cancer has not been as aggressive as it could have, because I started out with a very strong immune system. Thank dog.

So don't give up on learning about the raw and home cooked diet. Kymythy Schultze's book is a great place to start. Look for BARF support groups online too. And you might want to consult an acupuncturist or oncologist with a holistic medicine background. They are out there, you just have to look for them. Good luck!

 

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My mum has been feeding us the raw diet for almost two months & everyone is so much happier (not to mention that she loves the fact that we only poo once a day & it's harder lol) There are less fleas, our coats are really shiny, we don't itch so much anymore & our eyes are nice & bright.

We get one chicken carcass plus 250grams of ground beef a day. 3 times a week we get cubes that the butcher makes out of the lungs, hearts & kidneys & then the other days we get scrambled eggs mixed with yogurt & the egg shells thrown in. Every friday we get two whole Mackerals each & every other day we either get pork/chicken neck bones or pigs feet. Yum yum. My mum says she hates feeding times now because us young ones try to eat her fingers too ha ha ha. The older dogs know better but they're no fun Tongue out

My mum serves it to us frozen in the hopes that bacteria etc are killed by the freezing process & since it takes us a little longer to eat it frozen, it keeps us busy ha ha. She also knows that since we like to hunt a little on the farm & are notorious for digging up things that have been dead for months (p u she says ha ha), that our stomachs are buit to eat many things. We don't go outside unless she is with us but each of us like to sneak away to find yummy things while she is distracted Wink

My favourite part is getting the meaty bones right from the butcher with a little Missing Link supplement sprinkled on, yummy

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The vet was actually really pleased with our new diet & loves our white, white teeth. Also, my friend Didji, used to scoot along the floor but she doesn't do it anymore. The vets say we are a little on the lean side but that they like it because they always see fat dogs. I have to stay lean now because of losing my front leg but the vets are happy & my mum is happy so I'm happy.

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Allira,

You're exactly right! All of the benefits you mention about the raw food diet are so true! Your diet sounds awesome, and the variety is perfect. Tell your Mom "good job!"

Since I went on the raw diet, I've never had to get my teeth cleaned at the vet, and my Mom just learned that dogs on the BARF diet don't have anal sac problems, which explains why I've never ever had this issue either, and why Didji stopped scooting.

Tell your Mum that freezing the foods doesn't kill the bacteria, but just makes any that's there, dormant. Bacteria isn't a huge risk for us, like it is for humans. Like your Mom says, our stomachs are built of iron!

It's a lot neater to eat raw meats when they're frozen, that's for sure! But I would be concerned that the frozen bones might have a small risk of not breaking down properly and splintering when we eat them. When my Mom took a BARF class, the teacher said that although he couldn't find anything documented that said that feeding frozen bones is risky, he said it makes him feel better to feed his dogs defrosted bones, and recommended that the students in his class did too.

I did start to loose weight when I went on the raw diet. At one point, I lost too much, and Mom thought maybe she was doing something wrong. So she upped the amount of cottage cheese she fed me, and I put that weight right back on! Now, after some trial and error, she knows how much fatty foods I need to say svelte, but not skinny.

I'm so glad that there's dogs like you out there in the world, showing vets that the raw diet is the right diet. Thanks for telling us about your experience with it!

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Jerry

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