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21 August 2009 - 8:42 am
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Jacki and Mac

How are you holding up?????

Susan & Tazzie 2

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21 August 2009 - 8:00 pm
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Thank you for giving me the link for Luna's story--I was searching for it.  The specialist did mention adriamycin and maybe carboplatin for those types of cancer but would only want to start it if his kidneys get better and if his second ultrasound (I have an appointment on Monday) is clear for other tumors.  I don't know how I feel about experimental drugs such as the Palladia with his kidneys.  I have to say that if things look good I am still pretty concerned about chemo-induced nausea/lack of appetite I hear from you guys about.  We're coming up on 2 weeks post-op and Mac still barely eats anything at all.  I'm just worried about him losing even more weight.  I know that when you lose a leg you kinda get hunched a bit and show some backbone, but it's getting prominent.  He has however been drinking more...and regular water too, so I'm happy about that.  I dunno....he's so depressed and lethargic....he barely moves still and has only stood up on his own one time for a couple seconds.  How long did it take yours to be able to stand up by themselves post-op? 

There's also some new mucus issues...yeah it's gross sorry.  He has some clear mucus in his diarrhea now and some kind of gray/green mucus in his eyes.  I've never seen either before.  His eyes have been so sad.  But I can't do anything until Monday.  I guess I'm just waiting for him to look like he's better than he was before surgery.  He looks and acts so much worse.  Reading through all the blogs and posts I saw how you will doubt your decision a lot, and they're right.  I don't mind if he can't get up right away or if he isn't the same in ways, but one thing I miss is the barking.  Mac has always been the most vocal dog I've ever met.  He has barked nonstop his whole life, communicated with us and told us exactly how he is feeling and thinking.  He'd bark just as he was fetching the ball we just threw, he'd bark when he turned on his side, he'd bark while he was eating sometimes lol.  He hasn't barked once in a month.  The loud constant barking always annoyed us, but now I crave hearing it.....I'm looking forward to it.     

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22 August 2009 - 10:09 pm
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It sounds so hard Jacki

Tazzie used to drive me nuts whining in the car, and of course now I'd LOVE to hear that sound. I did hear it the other night for the first time (5 weeks post amp). It is difficult to compare before and after amp. Tazzie was not so badly off before the amputation. I certainly did not think - oh 'he is so much happier now' following the surgery or even now. On the other hand, the leg was detereorating rapidly so he would probably not be around for much longer if nothing had been done. Certainly he would be 3-legged long before now, even if we had not amputated the leg. I'm sure the same thing goes for Mac.

Some large dogs took a lot of time before they stood or even moved on their own. One dog, Armstrong, would not even flip the toes forward when the two owners took him outside. Their story was quite humorous because they got the impression that all the other 3-legged dogs caught frisbees aas they jumped off the operating table. Eventually he started to move on his own, but unfortunately there were other complications that probably were not related to the cancer. Tazzie just did not want to move on his own - I think it took 2-3 weeks before his 4-legged brain started to shift to a 3-legged brain

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27 August 2009 - 11:25 am
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I guess it will take longer for him to get around and I'm probably worrying about that particular issue too much. 

The surgeon who performed Mac's surgery took another look at the biopsy results and confirmed our worst suspicions of hemangiosarcoma Cry.  From what they tell me and from what I read, it is the most aggressive cancer the dog can have.  I took him for another abdominal ultrasound, chest x-ray, and blood tests on Monday.  The abdomen and lungs didn't have any apparent masses, but she said that his liver had rounded lobes and the spleen had an odd texture to it.  She couldn't determine whether or not those things were from his age, a past infection, or if it meant that cancer was beginning inside them.  His kidneys are the same values, with his albumin staying steady at 1.5 and elevated BUN and creatinine protein ratio at 13.5.  So no better but no worse since being on the Enalapril for them.  We are increasing the dose. 

He lost 7 pounds in the past 2 weeks from not eating, he still has diarrhea, he is increasingly lethargic, and his depression has remained the same.  He still can't really get up by himself.  This is from the doctor's report, and in case there are others who want to know more about this particular type of cancer, I thought I'd show some of what the doctor said:

"...since he did not see any signs of cells from bone or production of bone by the cells he suspects this is hemangiosarcoma.  Hemangiosarcoma is a tumor of the cells that line the blood vessels and is an aggressive tumor.  It could affect how he feels by location of additional metastatic lesions or by substances it secretes into the system.  Average life expectancy can be weeks to months.  Adriamycin chemotherapy with cytoxan or vincristine has been used to try and slow the cancer.  The problem is that he already does not feel well and I worry that chemotherapy will just make him feel sicker (not eating, inactive).  ...We could do needle aspirates of both organs (liver and spleen) to try and define the processes there.  Hemangiosarcoma often does not give diagnostic samples on needle aspirates but just blood so they may not be as helpful as we hope. ...As we discussed, in an effort to try and help him feel better, I would like to try him on Winstrol to see if it helps with appetite and strength.  It is an anabolic steroid which means it can be used to build muscle. I use this with dogs like him in hopes of helping him feel better.  ....I do not know if we can help him feel better."

She says that unlike osteosarcoma which can usually be treated to a degree with chemotherapy, hemangiosarcoma spreads so quickly and doesn't respond to treatment very well at all, and most dogs die before they can even finish chemo.  The "average" life expectancy is 4-8 weeks from diagnosis.  I don't want to make him sicker with chemo.  I mean, the whole reason we choose to amputate is to give better quality of life, and most dogs like those with OS recover quite quickly.  But he feels much much worse than he did WITH the broken leg and cancer.  So what was the point??  I don't want him to feel like shit like he does now and not have any kind of improvement whatsoever.  Chemo might make him live a couple more weeks than he would, but would deteriorate his condition.  So is there anything I can even do except pray that his organs don't rupture and fill him inside with blood as most HS cases end...I feel so helpless.  And I know that it may sound petty, but I've spent $5000, my life savings, on the amputation and testing...and for what?  Sure I didn't know at the time that it was this type of cancer, but if I did....is it humane of me to keep him alive just so he can exist but not live?  Quantity of life is for us, quality of life is for them.    

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27 August 2009 - 4:17 pm
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jackiandmac said:

….is it humane of me to keep him alive just so he can exist but not live?    


I think we might all agree that the sad but true answer to this is unfortunately no. I am a firm believer in qualtiy of life, not quantity.

Every tripawd's story is different. And there was no way you could tell at the time what the future may bring for Mac. You simply did the best thing you could possibly do for him. And bless you for that.

Perhaps Tazziedog may have some better advice for improving Mac's comfort. Please know that we sincerely feel for you and wish you the best during this difficult time.

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27 August 2009 - 7:01 pm
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I agree that now is not the time for chemo, with him feeling so sick.  I would try the anabolic steroids.  This is not the same drug as prednisone ( a corticosteroid).  The anabolic steroids do help build up red blood cells and muscles and are worth a try.

I have never treated a dog with hemangiosarcoma in the bone, but I have removed spleens from dogs that have lived up to 8 months but they had chemo.  It is true that this cancer is very aggressive and can go anywhere since it travels via the bloodstream.

Did they ever check his blood pressure?  His protein/creatinine ratio could still be high if he is hypertensive and then a drug like Norvasc could help make him feel better and may lower his ratio.

I hope that he can feel better soon!

Pam and Tazzie

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28 August 2009 - 6:01 am
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I read somewhere that people who truly love their dogs should make their decisions based on guilt (sounds weird I know but hear me out).  You have to take all the information you have-dog's pain, personality, diagnosis, treatment options, etc. and figure out what will make you feel the least guilty because, if you truly love your pet, that's usually what is in his best interest.  For example, when you first went through it, you decided on amputation because his leg was so painful and was even broken-if you hadn't done that you would have felt very guilty about not taking the chance on him being the one who lives 2 years.  For me, the reason we decided not to do chemo is because McGwire has been through so much medical stuff in his life, and the chance of complications, especially for him, was pretty high, that  I'd feel terribly guilty putting him through all of that just to get a few extra months with the chance that it wouldn't work at all. Guilt or not, I think that decisions made out of love are always the right ones.

The other thing is that you can't look back.  You decided to amputate because his leg was broken!  That's the right decision because it was the best one you made at the time with all the information you had.  Now you have more information, but that doesn't change the fact that you made the best decision at the time.

((HUGS))

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28 August 2009 - 8:42 am
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Excellent Advice McGwire! I will tell my mum to keep all that in her mind and heart.

And we will all be thinking of Mac and Jacki - we know just how tuff it is.

Tazzie 2

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