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Pain in remaining front leg: forelimb amputation
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10 June 2021 - 12:02 pm
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Hi all. First time poster. Our 13yo Min Pin underwent an amputation of her front-left leg last Thursday (1 week ago). Since then, she’s mostly been sleeping, but even when we do try to get her to pee in the backyard, she licks at her remaining front leg and cries like it hurts. 

We’re wondering if others have had similar experiences. Granted, it’s only been a week after major surgery, but could this be a pulled muscle? Or perhaps she’s just crying because she’s getting used to her new stance/sore muscles? Sometimes when we go to touch her leg to confirm nothing major is happening, she cries bloody murder. Then 5 mins later we massage it and all is normal in the world… strange!

She doesn’t really walk around the house right now. We have carpet runners everywhere, but she sleeps on the couch all day while we’re working remote here from home. We pick her up to bring her to her food station so she stands to eat, and we bring her to the back yard and plop her there. Otherwise, she’s always laying down. 

We welcome any thoughts. 

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10 June 2021 - 2:20 pm
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Hi there, welcome! Your future posts won't need to wait for approval so post away. What is your pup's name and the reason for the amputation? 

It does sound like you are describing pain. It could be phantom leg pain , or it could be hyperalgesia, but either way, she sure is giving some pain signals based on the inactivity, licking and the crying. 

What kind of pain medication is she on, and how often? Her pain management sounds like it can use some fine tuning. 

Yes, she should be getting a ton of couch time and resting in right now, but overall this is my non-vet take on her symptoms. Again, I'm not a vet so please let your vet know about these symptoms. 

I love that you have traction for her, great job! You are well prepared and ask great questions. Once you get her pain under control you will see her sparkle start to come back. Keep us posted.

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10 June 2021 - 9:25 pm
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Bummer that you are having this challenge.   Yes, very weird.

As Jerry said, your MinPin is certainly  showing  pain signals . Look for ward to your feedback to her questions. Your Bet needs to do a thorough  examination. 

Depending  on the pain meds, dose, frequency,  etc sometimes  they need to be adjusted if a dog is lethargic and sleeping  a lot.  Does she show signs of alertness, tail wags, engaged ?

Hang in there's. It is still early in recovery,  especially  for a "mature" pup!

Hugs

Sally and Alumni Happy Hannah and Merry Myrtle and Frankie too!

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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Thanks for responses! Penny is still exhibiting sudden pain here and there. Sometimes, she will get herself up and walk to eat or drink water. Other times, she will yelp in pain for a few seconds. It’s hard to tell if something is really wrong, or perhaps because she’s laying on her “good” shoulder all day, her leg is sore from inactivity and it “hurts.” It’s still a terrible sound shes making though…

Her recovery has been much slower than I think we anticipated. Yes, it’s only been a week. And yes she’s a senior dog. But I expected she would be able to be on her feet for more then a few minutes and that does not seem to be the case, whether her “good” front leg is hurting or it’s just muscle soreness etc. 

We have a vet appt scheduled for next Thursday so hopefully she improves by then or else we can figure out what’s going on. Pushing on her good leg, she doesn’t yelp or cry. So it doesn’t seem like a broken bone or anything. But it seems like when she’s been at rest for a while (which is 99% of her day right now) she has this pain after getting up.

Sigh. I sure wish dogs could talk! We made the difficult decision to amputate her leg thinking this would make her life a little easier. I hadn’t thought her other front leg would not be a problem. 

oh and to answer the question about meds: she is currently on gabapentin twice a day (50mg I believe) and metacam once a day. When we had her on more gaba or gaba + hydromorphone, she was really loopy and dysphoric. 

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12 June 2021 - 11:43 am
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Awww poor Penny, I'm sorry she isn't feeling so good. I would move that appointment up if at all possible, or call the vet to let them know what's going on. That's a long time to go without better pain control.

Pushing on her good leg, she doesn’t yelp or cry. 

Most times it's not about the remaining legs but about the sore muscles between shoulders and on the back that take a beating. Phantom pain is another type of pain, nerve pain, that is common and can go away on its own sometimes but pain medications really help. So does dry needling acupuncture and PT. 

While it's normal for a new Tripawd to be sore, her yelping and crying, and laying around a lot, is a sign that her pain is probably not under control. Not enough pain management will delay her healing.

When we had her on more gaba or gaba + hydromorphone, she was really loopy and dysphoric. 

Although the previous Gaba dose made her loopy, there are other types of pain control that she can get that should work better without making her wonky. It's an art and takes some fine tuning but most times one call to the vet will do it. Amantadine is a good alternative that also helps with phantom leg pain .

Sigh. I sure wish dogs could talk!

She definitely is, just in her own language. Dogs give non-verbal pain signals in ways that we don't see as pain because we communicate our own pain with words. She uses body language.

Call your vet and let them know. It feels like a bumpy road but once you get her pain under control you will start to feel better about the decision and see the old Penny again.

Keep us posted OK?

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12 June 2021 - 2:21 pm
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Update: we took her in to the ER this morning just as a precaution. The doc on staff thought her front leg was ok, and that the pain she’s experiencing is maybe muscle soreness but likely phantom pain . However, he also agrees that she’s already on a pretty heavy cocktail for a dog her size, so instead of increasing Gabapentin, he added Tramadol in a dosage range/frequency we can try to see what works best for penny.

We are comforted to hear that her leg is probably ok. But it doesn’t change the fact that she lays all day on that shoulder and still does not seem keen on even attempting the kinds of things she often enjoyed doing like looking out the front window. Hopefully the Tramadol will give her a little comfort. We also discovered that her incision may have a slight infection, so she’s now on an antibiotic. Not sure if the infection could be at play here in her symptoms, but I thought I’d mention in.

Wondering if we should massage her arm somehow? 

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12 June 2021 - 3:38 pm
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Oh I'm glad you took her in, and you found a doc that recognizes phantom pain . Not all do unfortunately. 

The Tramadol may work with the Gaba, but it's not as effective as once believed. If it doesn't work, ask about Amantadine. 

Meanwhile, pain management can require multiple approaches. Medication along with modalities like massage, acupuncture, and passive range of motion exercises and stretching. I would really encourage you to see if you can get an appointment with a veterinary rehab therapist. These folks are masters are recognizing and treating pain, oftentimes much better than general practice vets. The Tripawds Foundation can pay for your first visit too so it's a win-win.

Massage can definitely help. Try not to think of it as a problem with her legs but muscle soreness with her shoulders, neck, and back. That's where the body bears the brunt of an altered gait, just like on a human. Here's a bunch of posts about how to give massages to pets:

https://tripawd.....ag/massage

I hope this helps and she starts feeling better. Please keep us posted!

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Wonderful! Thanks for the tips. 

Yep, we have a few good dog rehab facilities in our area, and we already have one lined up for a couple of weeks from now when we hope her incision will be healed to a point where she could safely start treatment. Penny actually has rehab experience already; 3 years ago she was partially paralyzed from a herniated disc in her neck. 5 months of physical therapy made her good as new! 

she’s also doing that painful yelp when she barks, which makes me believe she has pain in her rib cage or chest. Hopefully her new cocktail helps her out. Otherwise, we will be seeing our reg vet next week regardless to follow up and see what we can change, if anything. 

You’re right about the leg vs soreness in the back etc. That’s a good way of looking at this and it makes a lot of sense. 

I also need to remind myself that she’s 13 and as an older dog this will prob be a little bit longer of a recovery. Still, we want to make sure she’s comfortable. 

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12 June 2021 - 5:29 pm
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Oh I'm so happy to hear you have a center lined up. Penny has been through a LOT!

Yeah, barking uses all sorts of muscles, your theory is probably correct. You are a wonderful advocate for her!

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12 June 2021 - 6:01 pm
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Penny’s mom here 🙂 Thank you for all the helpful insights! I’m so happy we were able to find this community to help us through all of this. 

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12 June 2021 - 9:41 pm
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Aww you are so welcome! It's nice to meet you. We are glad you found us too!

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Quick Penny update: Today marks two weeks since her front limb amputation surgery. Since last posting here, we have consulted with our regular Vet and Penny's surgeon changed some medications (put her back on Hydromorphone and introduced Amantadine).

Mixed news: She's still howling/yelping in pain occasionally. And despite the medicine introduced yesterday, she had a particularly long episode last night (maybe 30 seconds of howling/yelping). We hate to see her this way, and it's so hard to tell whether it's muscle pain, her leg proper, a disc issue, or phantom pain .

Good news: After seeing her primary Vet today, her incision, despite the infection, appears to be healing well. Likewise, it seems like her leg proper is actually fine from what they can tell. She also has been getting up on her own more and walking to get her water/food. Not always, but more often for sure. We took her to the park the other day for just three minutes to let her have some new smells, and to our surprise she was galloping around. We had to stop her after a few mins so we don't overdo it... So clearly, our special girl is in there somewhere, in between all of the cries/whines and occasional painful yelping/howling. We're seeing glimmers of hope! It sounds like we might indeed be dealing with some kind of nerve pain, though it's hard not to see the coincidence when she has a particularly "active" day and the increased pain that comes later that day...

We are increasing her Gabapentin dosage today and it sounds like we're on the right track. Hopefully, physical rehab will be the last puzzle piece we need to top off her treatment and get her comfortable and mobile again. We're hopeful! 🙂 We saw her little tail wagging today which was awesome.

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17 June 2021 - 6:39 pm
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This is SUPER HOPEFUL! All in all, she really is showing that her sparkle is trying to come out and it will!  I love that you guys are able to see that too. I honestly believe the rehab piece IS the last thing she needs to help with her pain. We see it all the time. Even the best vets and surgeons don't know all there is to know about how rehab can help with phantom leg pain and other types of post-amputation effects. Once you get her into a rehab practice I'm confident you will see a difference.

That's pretty cool she was bounding around. And yeah, as you know, it's critical to keep that dialed down right now. GREAT JOB! smiley_clapKeep doing what you're doing, stay strong and know that your girl is bouncing back. 

Thank you for letting us know. Every new update is helpful to someone else and we sure love celebrating even the most "ordinary" things. Go Penny!

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17 June 2021 - 10:24 pm
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All things considered, this is a SPECTACULAR UPDATE FULL OF SO MANY "SPARKLE" MOMENTS!!!👏😁

To hear how happy Penny was at the Park and to know you got some tail wags, is such great news!!  And I know it did Penny a world of good to be Penny again!!  I know things aren't perfect yet, but she IS making progress!!

Give yourselves  credit for staying the course.  I know seeing her in pain and crying out jist breaks your heart, but you aren't  giving  up and neither  is Penny!!

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Sally and Alumni Happy Hannah and Merry Myrtle and Frankie too!

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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28 June 2021 - 1:42 pm
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Penny Update & Question: Within the last few days, Penny has been moving a lot more on her own without painful yelping, especially in the daytime. We've been taking her to a local park for a few minutes each day just to get some new smells other than our backyard, and like a light switch she just immediately flips "on" and starts galloping around as best she can. So that's GREAT news. She has had two rehab sessions so far (acupuncture only at the moment but massage and cold laser soon).

She's still having instances of what seems like extreme pain/discomfort, despite all of her medication, but it seems mostly to occur at night and in the morning. It's getting less and less, but it still happens 5-6 times a day.

However, one concerning thing has been the nighttime routine. As soon as we go to bed, she seems to become dysphoric or anxious and constantly whines and vocalizes (something she NEVER used to do). She'll pace and try and find a new spot. If we bring her to the living room to sleep instead (after giving up in our own bed) where we have a couple of dog beds set up for her, she will move from dog bed to dog bed, back and forth, whining the whole time. One night, she wandered into our nursery and we found that she can crawled underneath the crib, presumably to hide!

We're thinking it may be the hydromorphone causing her anxiety, but her dose of that has been pretty consistent for the past two weeks, so it's odd that it's happening all of sudden, but I'm not a pharmacist...

Curious if anyone has encountered this before or has any advice? She almost seems disturbed when we're at rest/sedentary, yet she doesn't really want to play or anything either. We've been doing our best to keep her mind busy with treat games and letting her sit outside, but our bed time routine is totally messed up these past few days. She just  can't seem to fall asleep like her old self (she used to LOVE burrowing under blankets and sleeping at night). We welcome any thoughts. Obviously, we will bring this up to our vet this week when we see her.

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