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7 November 2009 - 7:55 pm
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As of noon yesterday, especially last night/this morning, and continuing a couple times through today, Mercy is still having these "episodes" where for no reason, she sits up, starts crying, throws herself backwards, writhes, stretches, and it lasts for a minute or so. I've tried changing her drug protocol thinking maybe what we were on just wasn't working, and still she's doing it. Has anyone elses tripawd done this? She's 3 days postop, and I'm running out of juice. I haven't been able to sleep because we've been dealing with stuff like this throughout the night. I'm really starting to regret doing the surgery if this is what is going to keep happening. I don't know what's happening, or how to stop it, and the vet doesn't either, especially since she can't see her do it. I seriously... am at a loss as to how to make her feel better. Any ideas?

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7 November 2009 - 8:32 pm
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Mercysmom - Don't fret, trust me... I know how hard it is after the amputation.. Shilo some of these things as well, I think we went sleepless for a week and had to sneak out and hide to cry thinking we had made a wrong choice. Then I found Tripawds, thank goodness!! Be strong, I know that Shilo did a lot of jumping up and bolting, staring at walls, twitching, and random bursts of crying. You may want to ask about mercy poss. having phantom pains.. If not I know Shilo reacted to every pain killer they gave and it didn't stop until after she stopped taking them.

Stay strong, it will get better.

Shilo diagnosed with osteosarcoma 9/4/2009, amputation 9/9/2009. ShiloAnne lost her battle 11/23/2009 where she regained her fourth leg and is patiently waiting for her parents to join her. We will always love you baby girl.

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7 November 2009 - 8:56 pm
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Please have no regrets

. it may not be pain at all, perhaps over-medication... What is she on? Too many times we hear about dogs acting up and people giving them more meds thinking they're still in pain when theyre really just looped from the medication and acting out.

It is still very early. Hang in there and remain strong, especially around Mercy. Keep in mind that if you baby here too much she'll come to depend on that. And they definitely pick up on our vibes.

Best wishes that all is well soon...

Tripawds Founders Jim and Rene
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7 November 2009 - 9:50 pm
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shiloanne said:

Shilo reacted to every pain killer they gave and it didn't stop until after she stopped taking them.


Ah, very similar to what we see other dogs going through here. It's strange how the painkillers help our pain, but make us see pink elephants.

The key is managing the pain enough so that they're not so doped up it freaks them out.

I was on painkillers for about a week and a half, and only Tramadol and Metacam. My pawrents tapered me off the Tramadol and after that, everything was much, much better.

Hang in there, things will improve soon. Mercy's recuperation is actually pretty normal. Stay strong.

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7 November 2009 - 10:34 pm
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At about 3 days post-amputation, Jack developed phantom pain .  We discovered this when he sad up in the middle of the night and started screaming.  The doctor prescribed Gabapentin, and it worked like a charm.  He's been an angel ever since (ok, that's a lie...he's a fiestly little son of a gun). I hope Mercy feels better soon!

<3 Laura and Jack

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7 November 2009 - 11:57 pm
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I'm surprised the vet didn't explore phantom pain . We got three opinions on Indy (primary vet, her old vet, and a greyhound specialist online) and they all warned about phantom pain symptoms as just random acute howling/writhing. All said that gabapentin was the way to go with it, and that it starts off more common at first, then diminishes gradually over the weeks.

Gabapentin is a drug usually given to seizure patients. It affects the central nervous system, and since phantom pain is usually the nerves reacting to being all torn apart, gabapentin can be effective.

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8 November 2009 - 8:45 am
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Luckily for Jake, he never did have any of the problems with the pain meds that many of the others here have had. But all my vet friends told me that if he did start experiencing any of these problems, gabapentin was the drug they were going to add to the mix.

I know that it's the weekend and you can't do much about it right now, but ask your vets about gabapentin first thing Monday morning. From what my friends tell me, not all vets have experience using it... so if Mercy's vets don't, all they have to do is call around to their other colleagues and I'm sure someone out there has used it.

Good luck and give that adorable little doggie of yours a hug from me and Jake!

Jake's Mom

Jake, 10yr old golden retriever (fractured his front right leg on 9/1, bone biopsy revealed osteosarcoma on 9/10, amputation on 9/17) and his family Marguerite, Jacques and Wolfie, 5yr old german shepherd and the newest addition to the family, Nala, a 7mth old Bengal mix kittie. Jake lost his battle on 11/9/2009, almost 8 weeks after his surgery. We will never forget our sweet golden angel… http://jakesjou.....ipawds.com ….. CANCER SUCKS!

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8 November 2009 - 9:22 am
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Yoda had what you're describing.  I can't recall exactly how many days it lasted (will feel like forever, especially if they start to come more frequently for a couple days as it did with Yoda), but then the episodes dropped off pretty quick, so I didn't have a chance to look into Gabapentin for phantom pain (which sounded what it looked like).  After they faded away in the first or second week, I never observed them again.  So depending on your situation and/or how much it's bothering you and Mercy, you may want to see about getting her some Gabapentin, or whatever your vet thinks, but it can just pass on its own.  I want to say Yoda had them for maybe four or five days, and at the height of them he had five or six in a day, but as I said, then they dropped off completely and he didn't seem to be having any other pain otherwise.  I know those episodes are scary.  There wasn't anything I could do for Yoda while he was having them, but they pass pretty quick.  Do what you feel is best and you guys will get through it.

Yoda&Mom united: 9/5/06 …….… Yoda&Leg separated: 6/5/09……… Yoda&Leg reunited: 10/14/09 ……… ……………….………….………….……. Yoda&Mom NEVER separated! …………………….….……....….…… Though Spirit Yoda currently free-lances as a rabbit hunting instructor for tripawds nationwide

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8 November 2009 - 9:41 am
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shiloanne said:

Shilo reacted to every pain killer they gave and it didn't stop until after she stopped taking them.


I know that Jerry seconded shiloanne's comment, and I wanted to add a third to that sentiment.  I am sure that about now you are thinking "Easy for you to say!"  The truth of the matter is that many of us have been exactly where you are now and have experienced the exact same feelings.  No one here would minimize what you are seeing or what you are feeling, but rather are totally empathetic.  During the first days, Cherry would experience uncontrolled "shivering" of her legs bordering on convulsions and experienced extremely restless nights.  Her reaction was so bad to the Tramadol that I removed it from the regiment and these conditions significantly reduced.  However, they did not stop until all the chemicals were gone from her system.

I know that right now you may be questioning the decision to amputate, but the pain that Mercy was experiencing before the amputation would only have gotten worse with time while the recovery from the amputation will result in an improvement in Mercy's condition.  Be sure to stay positive around Mercy.  They quickly will pick-up on any down feelings.  During Cherry's worst times, I would go outside away from Cherry, totally loose it, and then return to my little girls with a smile.  While the worry will always be there, I attempted to minimize how much of that Cherry saw.

Paws Crossed and Sending Pawsitive Thoughts,

Bob & Cherry

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8 November 2009 - 1:12 pm
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Hang in there!!!!! The first 10 days are stressful on you and Mercy. Jack did a lot of jumping up and crying out known as phantom pain . He still has pains every now and then and we are one month and 2 days post amp. Also the pain meds STRONGLY affect the moods. I worked from home during those first 10 days and didn't sleep at all either but Jack is now zooming around the house and up and down the stairs on his own. Hang in there and have faith because it gets better I promise. Mercy is also stressed... gone through a lot the past few days. HANG TOUGH... we have definitely all been in your shoes.
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8 November 2009 - 1:41 pm
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Sounds like phantom pain to me.  This is common enough that anytime I perform an amputation I start them on the gabapentin right away and the dogs do much better.  A 60# dog would get 300 mg twice daily for 14 days or as needed.

Pam

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8 November 2009 - 1:58 pm
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So Mercy, at just 15 lbs = 75mg 2x daily.

Hope this helps!

Tripawds Founders Jim and Rene
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8 November 2009 - 4:11 pm
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I am so glad that Pam posted.  She has expertise o her side!  Like so many others that posted I thought it sounded like Mercy either had phatom pain or a reaction to Tramadol.  While on tramadol Emily would stare into space and cry.  When we took her off it she was fine.

Please remember that if you had not choosen amputation Mercy would not have just stayed how she was before her surgery.  She would have continued to be in severe pain until you had to release her.  Amputation is painful initially but is her only chance at life.  

Emily is probably at her end of life, not from cancer but from hip dysplasia, but I can tell you even if we only have her six months (her upcoming ampuversay) five of those have bern pain free.  Without amputation she would not have had any pain free time.  No regrets.

Debra & Emily

Debra & Emily, a five year old doberman mix, who was diagnosed with an osteosaecoma. She had a right rear leg amputation on May 19, 2009. On November 10, 2009 she earned her wings and regained her fourth leg.

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