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Mystery hind leg pain for front Tripawd - Need help to wean off prednisone!
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9 March 2015 - 12:42 pm
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Hello, any thoughts or ideas welcome and appreciated for this very scared and worried mommy. My baby boy is a 9-10 year old, 75 lb Rottweiler who had his front leg amputation surgery for osteosarcoma (bone cancer) in November 2014. Besides phantom limb pain after suture removal (which was quickly resolved with tramadol and gabapentin that the vet prescribed), Tyson had been doing wonderfully since. Running, jumping on the bed, playing tug, happy personality.

Around mid January 2015, I noticed a few random times that it seemed a back leg might have been shaky while doing his business. It was so slight that I assumed it was insignificant, attributed to still adjusting on three legs. I was totally wrong because a week or so later, he began experiencing some pain in his hind area/rear legs. Overnight, he could no longer extend them and walk without excruciating pain. If they were "curled up" he was ok. Which meant he could lie down, and even sit up. But as soon as they were extended, it was a pain he had never experienced before...even more than his osteosarcoma. My first thoughts were a slipped disc, pinched nerve, something out of socket, along those lines...since it seemed so sudden and violent. I took him to the first vet that could see him (his surgical vet) and she was convinced it was metastasis to the hind legs. I was not able to get x-rays (too painful for him, cost prohibitive for me at the time), but she and my regular vet ruled out my theories and mentally prepared me for metastasis...and limited time with my boy. She prescribed him prednisone, informing me that the side effects would be increased thirst and therefore increased urination. I was more than ok with that if the drugs would relieve him of the pain.

About 1.5-2 days of bed rest with the prednisone...and he was back up again as normal. No more jumping on the bed or laying flat on his back for belly rubs...but walking fine. I am no doubt grateful that it helped him but in the time that has passed, I've learned much more about prednisone side effects via researching online, joining discussion groups, asking questions, etc. Although the prescription tapered him down from 40mg to 20mg, I requested to taper even further with the ultimate goal to come off completely, due to the information I gained. Both vets were concerned that if I lowered the dosage any further that he could relapse. I also persisted in asking if there were any alternative medications to prednisone, and the answer was no, nothing that could manage pain as well. I even threw out use of curcumin/turmeric as a natural anti-inflammatory along with a lowered prednisone dosage, but was advised that could cause more damage.

Present day, the prednisone (I'm convinced), has wreaked havoc on my boy's body. Bloodwork, urinalysis, and X-rays a week ago show an enlarged liver with numbers off the charts, and a stomach/esophageal ulcer. He also suddenly lost muscle mass in his head to the point where the areas above and below his eyes are sunken and the bone on top is protruding. Liver issues, ulcers, and muscle atrophy can all be associated with steroids/corticosteroids. And it changed his personality as well - he is incredibly lethargic now and doesn't want to be as close to me as he used to. I'm sure there are multiple factors involved, but I still hold to my gut that he would have been better off long-term without the prednisone.

 

Here is where I need help: My vets now agree that yes, he should be weaned off the prednisone, as it is causing harmful results. I am thrilled to be doing so but am also terrified that he will indeed relapse. I still haven't figured out what the issue was with his hind leg pain back in January. The vets did not see any tumors in his back or rear leg x-Rays (or even in the lungs for that matter). There was start of spondylosis and hip dysplasia however.

Questions:
1. Could spondylosis or hip dysplasia cause extreme pain like that so quickly? Is there a way to determine? If so, what are my options to prevent it in the future?

2. Could this pain have been caused by a diet deficiency? I've looked up everything from myopathy to posterior paralysis and am overwhelmed with data.

3. Has anyone else successfully used alternatives to prednisone? In case we need it in the future... (He is still on tramadol and gabapentin for preventive measures).

4. Has anyone experienced the same side effects from prednisone? If so, how did you manage and how long did it take for your pup to recover?

 

Since his diagnosis, his ravenous appetite has never wavered, he's never had diarrhea, never thrown up (except once due to the ulcer). Knock on wood. Any thoughts, theories, recommendations, guidance, resources etc etc would be greatly appreciated. THANK YOU!!!

Livermore, CA




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9 March 2015 - 1:01 pm
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Welcome to Tripawds, your future posts will not have to wait for moderation.

My Tripug Maggie was on pred for about 7 months (6 months + 1 month taper off) and really didn't have any side effects that I noticed, it was part of her chemo regimen for mast cell cancer.

I know money is tight, but could you invest in a canine rehab specialist? Maybe they could give you some ideas on exercises that would help your boy- what is his name?  It is very easy for Tripawds to have soft tissue injuries that an x-ray can't diagnose.

My older quad pug Tani found relief from her spinal arthritis with chiropractic adjustments, others have had good luck with acupuncture.  I also used adequan injections to keep her comfortable.  It is expensive stuff, but I didn't see any side effects and it gave us two more years together.  Tani didn't lose a limb to cancer, but she had terrible arthritis in her back and all four legs.

 

Karen and the Spirit Pug Girls

Tri-pug Maggie survived a 4.5 year mast cell cancer battle only to be lost to oral melanoma.

1999 to 2010

 

              Maggie's Story                  Amputation and Chemo

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9 March 2015 - 2:48 pm
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Hi Karen, thank you so much for accepting my post and responding!

Yes unfortunately my boy Tyson seems to be one of the few who have received so many side effects from prednisone.  

I would love to do all the above, as well as hydrotherapy (underwater treadmill, pool, etc).  How did you know that Tani had spinal arthritis?  Can you see it on an x-ray?  Did she ever experience the same extended hind leg pain that my boy did?  Putting a financial plan together, but not sure if time is on my side...

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The arthritis was diagnosed by x-ray when she was about 6 years old.  She was also missing a vertebrae in her lumbar area.  She did have arthritis in her back legs too, but never exhibited the type of pain while pulling her legs up.  Just based on your description it sounds like something in his back...

Tani also had neurological dysfunction which caused her back feet to knuckle- but it didn't appear to be painful for her.

Tani just Crossed the Bridge a couple weeks ago at the age of 14 years 8 months so we managed her arthritis for a long time.  Easier of course with a quad pug.

Are you using a joint supplement?  We also had good luck with rimadyl, but you would need to get his liver healthy again.

 

You might also post in our Ask A Vet forum- Dr. Pam might have some ideas for you.

 

Karen

Tri-pug Maggie survived a 4.5 year mast cell cancer battle only to be lost to oral melanoma.

1999 to 2010

 

              Maggie's Story                  Amputation and Chemo

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Hi Karen, the vet didn't mention anything about spinal arthritis but theyve missed a few things so I'll read up on it.  I'm so so very sorry for your loss.  14 years and 8 months though, wow, that would be my wish come true for my pup.  Congratulations on doing such a great job.  Had him on rimadyl post surgery and finished that prescription, but the surgical vet felt the prednisone was more appropriate (stronger) when he had his rear leg/back pain.  Yes, he was on Cosequin DS but recently switched to Glycoflex III.  I will definitely post in the other forum, thank you!  In the interim, if anyone has thoughts or guidance please feel free to continue responding here as well!

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10 March 2015 - 2:44 pm
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Sorry Tyson is having these challenges! Geez, this is a tough one! That wasnt a "huge" amount of Pred. and it wouldn't really be considered "long term useage" for the amount of time he was on it. It's good that it did bring him some relief.

Imq certainly no vet and glad youre gonna post under Ask A vet. I'm sure you've already searched on line for alternatives. I found a couple of things under alternatives to Predn. It will be interesting to see if our resident Vet suggests anynof these things.

Did they do any bloodwork BEFORE they started Tyson on Pred as a base l i ne?

It seems to me....and this is just my unprofessional two cents worth....if the Pred. made him feel better so quickly that it would NOT be a metastasis but rather more along the lines of what you were thinking to begin with. We are big on second ...and third...and fourth opinions around here, that's for sure!

As far as the Pred., yes Ive had various scenarios where Ive had to use it...sometimes a fairly short span of a month or two with tapering off to every other day, or a low dose everyday. One of my beloved dogs Bernie was on off and on for three years. Yeah, it can be a "miracle drug" sometimes for palliative care ornother scenarios. I'm just so sorry Tyson appears to have such a bad consequence to it. It's such a double edged sword sometimes...ugh!!

You are doing EVERYTHING possible for Tyson! Stay determined, stay strong and contunue to do your research. He is a very loved boy and he knows it!! Stay in the moment with him...in the present! It is not worrying about a thing! Ahhh...the bliss of being a dog!!! Let nothing rob you of your time together! SPOIL, SPOIL, SPOILand lots of treats and a scoop of ice cream for supper! And lots of chocolate for you!

We are with you every step of the way! When you can, please tell us more about your boy. And we love photos around here!!

((((((((((((((((((((((((Hugs))))))))))))))))))))))

Sally and Alumni Happy Hannah and Merry Myrtle too!

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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Sorry to hear all of the issues you two are dealing with. My Dobe nitro was on pred for a couple of years due to severe skin allergies, but his dose for the long term was only 5 - 7.5 mg/ day (up to 10mg when it really flared up). We had to get him off of it to put him on metronomic therapy after his regular chemo. So my situation probably doesn't relate very well to yours. He also gets chiropractic adjustments, and that vet is into traditional Chinese medicine, so Nitro is also on herbs for his condition. Perhaps because his dose of pred was low, but he didn't have any of the symptoms you've described. Good luck, and keep on with the research and quest for answers.

Paula and Nitro

Nitro 11 1/2  yr old Doberman; right front amp June 2014. Had 6 doses carboplatin, followed by metronomic therapy. Rocked it on 3 legs for over 3 years! My Warrior beat cancer, but couldn't beat old age. He crossed the Bridge peacefully on July 25, 2017, with dignity and on his terms.  Follow his blog entitled "Doberman's journey"

http://nitro.tripawds.com

"Be good, mama loves you".....run free my beautiful Warrior

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