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Jack's recovery from amputation
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Virginia







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23 September 2019 - 8:20 am
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Glad you're getting Jack back to the Vet.  It sounds like they may end up putting in a drain.  It happens sometimes.  And yes, the cone is pretty much the only way to stop him from licking  and messing with the compression bandsge.  It may be that once he wears that and cannot get to the area, it may clear up. .I'm  surprised the Vet hasn't  stressed the importance  of the cone, especially  once the issue started.

It is really good news to know that, other than this bump in the road, Jack is doing really well.  I know the carride was  enjoyable for him.

We'll look for your update.  You're  doing a great job of tending  to Jack during recovery.  Try and get some rest! Recovery  can be exhausting... moreso for the hoomans than the puppers.

Hugs

Sally and Alumni Happy Hannah and Merry Myrtle and Frankie too!

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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23 September 2019 - 4:01 pm
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Poor Jack sounds like he's going to come home with a cone of shame ! Glad to hear everything else is going well with his recovery. I'll bet he LOVED that car ride!

Let us know what happens. And if I can be of any help with your phone log-in, just holler.

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23 September 2019 - 5:57 pm
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Well today has turned into everything short of nightmare.  We were given 3 options to start: 1. Vet keep him there a few days and pretty low key, in a cone, small kennel And plenty of pain meds. 2. Bring him home and continue care with come and meds 3. Put in a drain but vet think it was necessary yet. We opted for choice one so I can get some sleep. I work 40-52 hrs a week as a nurse so I gotta get some rest! 

All was good until 3 pm when the office called and said jack bit the associate vet. I asked if he had the cone on and they were just putting it on, four hours after he was dropped off. So the vets in the Er getting evaluated and possibly stitched 😞 and I had to pick him up cause they have teens working tonight. So now he is on pain meds, clot med, sedative, antibiotic, probiotic, arthritis med and herbs . And I’m hoping he gets some rest so I can .

Other than this, still eating well, moving well, good demeanor. 



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23 September 2019 - 6:50 pm
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Aww, poor Jack, he must be hurting to be biting. I feel for you and Jack and hope both of you have a restful night.

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Kerren

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23 September 2019 - 8:15 pm
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Geez, what a turn of events! 

Just curious.  Is this out of character for Jack?  Or is it something  that doesn't surprise you?  I agree with Kerren.  However they were trying to put the cone on must have caused him pain.  That, and he must have been quite panicky  about what was going on.  I hope they give you more details  as to why and how this happened.  I guess it doesn't  really matter, I'm  just curious.

Hopefully you and Jack both will have some rest tonight.  So it basically  sounds like the Vet is thinking as little movement as possible is how this will be contained, along with the meds.  Paws crossed this is the solution that works.

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Sally and Alumni Happy Hannah and Merry Myrtle and Frankie too!

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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23 September 2019 - 10:42 pm
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Oh wow giant hugs are coming to you! I’m so sorry Jack was so stressed out. How did he do once he was at home with the cone? I hope he’s more relaxed.

As a nurse, you’ve got this! Hang in there, the healing is happening (and we will send some pawsitivity to make it happen faster!).

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24 September 2019 - 5:16 am
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Ye, totally out of character. He has also snapped at my husband the day before when I was changing his dressing. He has never done this . I had to remind my hubby if that. The vet office understood. One minute he was loving in them then when as they said “let their guard down” and tried to come up on his side with the cone, he saw it and snapped. I know he has been incredibly painful with this raw skin for a few days. He slept very well last night on the sedative and pain meds. . Getting ready to wake him now to go outside. 

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24 September 2019 - 8:25 am
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Glad everybody got some rest.  Sleep does wonders for the Soul.😊

Yeah, I think we can all understand  why Jack lashed out the only way he knew how due to his stress level and pain level.  Poor guy.  Hopefully the plan the Vet has for him now will fix the problem.  Just want to say again that a drain tube is something  we see somewhat often around here, so don't  let that deter from going this route if necessary.  It can be a great solution.

Okay Jack, we're all cheering for you!!

Hugs

Sally and Alumni Happy Hannah and Merry Myrtle and Frankie too!

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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26 September 2019 - 2:49 pm
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So today took another turn. Wound looked decent enough when I took a lunch break and came to check on jack. It has been draining but switched from Watery type drainage to more gooey but less of it. Called the vet for update and he was pleased. Then my son came home before practice and called me frantic saying looked like stitches has busted open. I cancelled my parent:teacher  conferences and came home. Yep wound larger, drainage a lot. Took pics and sent to vet. She now thinks would could be dehiscing. Added a second antibiotic and said we may need to bring him in Monday and discuss options including surgical debridement and drains or “other options” we don’t want to really think about. I’m  super upset! 9 days of good looking wound now day 16 and it’s this! I need to know others experience with this. We have spent an extra $500 in one week on meds and office visits. Any advice would be appreciated. And I couldn’t get my log in to work again from my phone so I’m in as a guest user. rnrnThanks, jack’s mom, Jill

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26 September 2019 - 7:09 pm
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Add to look up dehiscing.  Geez, have no clue if that's  what's  going on with Jack..

The discharge...dose it have any odor? Does it have any puss mixed in  with the goo?

The Vet mentioned  devridement.  Does it appear that any of the skin is dying off?  Is it black??

We may have asked you, but did the Vet do a culture on it to determine  what SPECIFIC  antibiotic is best for this infection?

At this point...and I am not a Vet and not giving Vet advice...it seems like there should be no further delay about putting that drain in.  

Any suggestion from the Vet as far as leaving the wound open...wrapping ior any suggestions at all 

Sorry,    more questions  than answers.  But I would think the Bet could see this sooner than Monday.

Hang in there,  Others might chime in with more useful  jnput than  my  thoughtx.

Hugs

Sally and Alumni Happy Hannah and Merry Myrtle and Frankie too!

PS anyway Jack got to the incision  and opened  it up himself?

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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27 September 2019 - 6:59 am
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Hi Sally,

There is no odor to the drainage. It is runny/gooey and red with a little white in it. They are saying it is appropriate drainage of serosanguinous fluid. I don't think he got it open because he is wearing a cone. But where the location is, right where his wound is on the chest wall, I am thinking when he moves from lying down, it is causing friction. And he has to lay on his right side because it was the left front that was amputated. The tissue doesn't look dead...it looks raw. In humans, I am sure we would stage it as an ulcer and treat aggressively. The vet said to decrease the sedative and increase the Tramadol big time. Keep him comfortable as this is very uncomfortable. So now he is one two antibiotics, Tramadol, Trazodone, herbs for clotting control, galliprant for arthritis, herb to promote balance in body and a probiotic to prevent diarrhea.  

We did wrap it for several days and dr says that is not first line in wound care  for dogs. I was told letting it drain was. So the tissue around the wound is no longer red or swollen but where the wound is looks nasty and we are leaving it open. I do put a telfa gauze on it now and then to soak up some of the fluid.

We were up in the night again, and the wound wasn't draining much. Gave him his meds, took him potty, and he came back in and laid down. Eating very well, happy except when you get near wound. Dr. said we would decide Monday "what the plan would be". She mentioned the debridement, going in and cleaning it all up and putting in drains, or "other options". I am sure she is going to tell us we need to consider euthanasia. I just can't believe this. 9 days post op with just post op pain and now this. He is even moving around fairly well, even with the cone on which causes his head to bob. Now this am, it is draining again. 🙁

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27 September 2019 - 8:48 am
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Oh my, I am so sorry this is happening. If I may explain a little.. as you know, the wound has bacteria in it. Dogs have a way of healing on the outside first (bandage) and then things inside are still not healed and start to fester. This is why they don't want the bandage right now. Plus.. you don't want to stop the drainage.. it will just prolong things. 

Debridement and drains really do sound like your best options. They will clean it up really well, suture the drain(s) in, and with all the antibiotics he is on that should give him a great deal of relief and speedy recovery. 

This does happen, not all the time but enough to say it's not totally uncommon. We have also seen totally wonderful recoveries even after these set backs. It really does stink though. And it is totally disheartening. Please take a deep breath and try to relax. I am not a vet, I am a former vet tech. Your boy is lucky to have a nurse for a mama. This is where the nurse in you needs to super cede the mama part and the 'Be More Dog ' steps in. Nursing animals is not a lot different than people, I have done both. There are different procedures to get to the same outcome, but there are a lot of similarities too. Matter of fact, I read an article a while back about people keeping wounds more open than closed up for similar reasons. 

This will all pass, keeping fingers, toes, tails, and paws crossed for you. Please let your rational 'nurse' side take over and evaluate calmly. There are a lot of pluses here that are easier seen from a distance. He is moving around fairly well, other than ugly and sore the wound looks decent, he is accustomed to the cone, eating, drinking, and medicated. Unless I am missing something here I don't think they would recommend euthanasia unless there were no other options. 

We also had complications that had Huck back in the hospital.. more than once. We worked through it (yes, I was a total ugly mess ) and he is happy and healthy now sp_hearticon2

I hope some of this helps even a little. Will try to check back as I can.

Hugs,

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27 September 2019 - 9:59 am
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Glad Jaxkie chimed in and,hopefully, can give you some reassurance. 

We absolutely  have seen drains put in when drainage  doesn't  stop on its  own.  We know this is exhausting  for you on so many levels and I'm  sure it seems like it has no ending.  But it does!! Again, this is not all that uncommon!  But when it's  happening  to you it must feel like a very scary and lonely  time.   You've got us...whether you want us or not!!!

And, as Jackie said, ther is NO REASON, NO REASON AT ALL to even think for one millisecond  about euthanasia!!!! 

I don't  know of this is something  the Vet has hinted about and there are all sorts of things going on we don't  know about, but I would REALLY consider getting a second  opinion to look at Jack's situation  with fresh eyes.  We are higs kn second opinions  around here.  Time after time it's  always been an advantageous  experience. 

And I do apologize for asking again, as you've  probably already answered.   The Vet did a culture that indicated  which antibiotics were best suited for this identified bacteria right? And MRSA was eliminated,  right?

Here's what are some good signs.   The drainage was slowing  down before this "opening". Eating, drinking,  food attitude.....huge relief!!!  Really good signs.  .

You're  doing such a good job in the middle of all this stress.  Recovery  is no picnic for about two weeks even without this hurdle!  So give yourself a pat kn rhe baxk fot staying  thd course and working thrpugh this.  Jack is a strong and determined pupper woth a strong and determined  hooman!!

((((((((((((((HUGS))))))))))

Sally and Alumni Happy Hannah and Merry Myrtle and Frankie too!

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Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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27 September 2019 - 10:08 am
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Yikes I'm sorry this is happening. No, it's not common but not uncommon either as these stories show:

Tripawd Amputation Incision Infection Symptoms to Know About

Also see

https://kimirwi.....nd-update/

https://rubysgr.....om/page/3/

(warning: don't let the first photos scare you in the following link, it's the last one that is truly amazing though, it shows the healed area)

https://kimirwi.....nd-update/

And I also agree that no vet in their right mind would consider euthanasia for this situation. If so, it means it's time to find a new vet. Meanwhile, is the vet clinic you are working with a large practice with multiple vets? A team to bounce ideas around with? If not, I would want to get another opinion next week by another practice if you don't feel satisfied with your vet's plan of action. 

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27 September 2019 - 10:29 am
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3 vets in the practice, owner and 2 associates. Love the owner. He is our new vet when our traditional vet said no amp without chemo and radiation and didn't approve of the herbal therapy. They said to really push the pain meds to give comfort and keep him down and resting to promote healing.

The wound was not cultured. They say it is not needed now with 17 days of antibiotics.  

I was told we would reevaluate Monday. Possibly discuss wound debridement and drain vs quality of life. 

Holding onto he will get better. And yes, I have some nasty wound pics too! Good thing I can stomach stuff like this. My family, not so much!

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