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Hypertrophic Osteopathy
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East Bay, CA
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21 January 2010 - 2:05 pm
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Not sure where this goes because it's not a treatment and recovery, but not an original diagnosis. (Admin, feel free to move thread where you see fit)

Hypertrophic osteopathy. It's a mouthful. I'm told it's rare. What I read is that it can happen in dogs who have something wrong in their lungs (fungus, lung mets). I spent awhile trying to find a good picture of it, and it looks like the xray on this article (although the case study is not the same as ours)

http://www.ncbi.....MC1899852/

Basically it looks like Coral. But not pretty coral, oh-we've-been-to-the-ocean, coral. No. This coral is overgrowth. A spiderlike overgrowth of hard bone. An evil, painful slow swelling of the limbs. And Caira Sue has it. 

A couple months ago we noticed her remaining front leg getting a little bigger. We figured it was strengthening from all the extra work it was doing.

We had noticed all her limbs getting a bit swollen last month. I kinda thought it was part of the disease process-and it is, but not in the way I thought. I thought it was some kind of strange dog edema. What are you going to do? It's cancer, and everyone with cancer gets edema.

We treated her with multiple antibiotics for fevers. We thought she had a UTI, a this, a that, maybe some other thing. Now we know that all that pain, those fevers were due to this ugly coral-like growth.

2 days ago we went to the Oncology Vet at UCDavis. We brought in our chest xrays from a couple weeks ago (where we went to the er for the fevers). He said it wasn't as bad as he thought it might be. The lung mets aren't our girl's problem. 

Treatment? There is no treatment. It just gets worse. You have to remove the underlying cause (infection, lung, etc). Well, it's in both her lungs. 

So the theory goes like this: Normally you have osteosarcoma and you get lung mets and die. There's no time to get anything else because you get the lung mets first. With inhalation chemo (the Gemzar study we joined at UCDavis), we targeted very specifically the chance of lung mets. So they were held back. Then other tumors and oddities were allowed to grow. (she has tiny tumors along the insides of her legs and a large one in her abd...all new in the last week). What we have learned from this is the inhalation chemo works....it has suppressed the lung mets enough to let odd things come up....and that a 2nd line of chemo needs to be given (in the beginning) with the inhalation chemo in order to suppress all the odd things from coming up. 

I'm trying to explain this so that someone else going through these forums someday and looking for options will know a couple things.

1. Inhalation chemo works against lung mets and could extend your dog's life past mere amputation

2. combine it with another form of chemo to combat the other things.

If someone is searching this forum ages from now, please PM me and I will probably be able to explain it better. I'm a little emotional right now and it makes it difficult to type.

Caira has had an amazing 6.5 months. I am forever grateful that we were able to take part in this study. We could fill ourselves with what-ifs (what if we did the other chemo, etc). But it would do no good. We did the best we could with what we had at the time. We gave her our everything. I wouldn't change that. 

But this hypertrophic osteopathy. It's an ugly, bad, horrible thing. 

May 2001-Jan 21, 2010.....I'm a dog and I'm AWESOME!..... Always.

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21 January 2010 - 2:36 pm
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Dearest fruitbat

I am sorry to hear about your 'big bad word' form of cancer. It sounds horrible. I am so sorry for the unhappiness it is causing your mummy and daddy and the way it is getting in your way. That information is bound to help someone down the road.

How is Caira Sue today?

Do you know if other dogs in the same study are having delayed lung mets while other forms of mets show up? It sure seems that lots of types of mets other than lung mets show up in the tripawds on this site, some having regular chemo and some who have not had any chemo (take me, Shilo, Jake, Emily, Wrigley, Genie, and Tazzie 1, brother - it sure doesn't seem like lung mets dominate the tripawds scene).

You are in our thoughts,

Tazzie's Susan

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21 January 2010 - 2:42 pm
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p.s. when we began regular IV chemo, the oncologist indicated that dogs undergoing chemo (IV, not inhalation) seemed to be more prone to spine mets down the road, rather than lung mets. (Since I was leaving town, we discussed what to expect.) That could apply to dogs like Tazzie 1 who passed her Carboplatin regime with flying colors, but not to some of us who 'failed chemo' pretty darn early due to non-lung mets.

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21 January 2010 - 3:14 pm
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Oh Mary, I am so sorry.  How horrible.  Did the Doctor explain why the fevers flare up, then disappear?

Caira Sue is such a fighter, you're right, she HAS had an amazing 6.5 months. She couldn't ask for more devoted pawrents.

We are thinking of you tonight....

Sue and Nova

Dane Mom Sue at nova.tripawds.com and Mom to Beautiful Great Dane Queen Nova, a Blind Tripawd, who kicked cancer's butt from 11/08-03/13. The Queen is Spirit Nova now, but her legacy lives on here at Tripawds!

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21 January 2010 - 3:21 pm
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Caira Sue!  Was one "condition" not enough for you?  You are a super dog, but really, adding the osteopathy was a little much.  I agree with Tazzie II - it really does seem like a lot of dogs seem to develop things other than lung mets.  I guess I had just heard so much about it spreading to the lungs, that the possibility that it would spread somewhere else was never really a worry.  I guess we just have to be greatful that our doggies are paving the way for other dogs to come...they may even be life-savers by showing people how detect and treat cancer in the future.  And for that, they are heroes.  So Miss CS, go tell your momma you want a treat (or a really big tennis ball I may have seen a picture of) because all hero dogs deserve the special treatment.  WOOF!

<3 Laura and Jack Attack

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21 January 2010 - 3:24 pm
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I am sorry to hear of the new diagnosis.  As you have said, you did your best based on the info on hand at the time.  No regrets.

Thinking of you and Caira Sue.  Hugs!


cairasue said: Normally you have osteosarcoma and you get lung mets and die. There's no time to get anything else because you get the lung mets first.

Tazzie said: the oncologist indicated that dogs undergoing chemo (IV, not inhalation) seemed to be more prone to spine mets down the road, rather than lung mets.

Nope. Genie didn't have chemo. At 6.5 months, chest x-rays still clean. At 7.5 months, symptoms of lower spine mets took her from me within a weekend.  From all these stats, looks like the nasty beast fell through some cracks and managed to get to my girl in the least suspecting senario!

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21 January 2010 - 3:27 pm
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Thanks for sharing these details and the link. We know Caira Sue is a fighter, and wish you the best during this new battle. Since you discuss the treatment for Hypertrophic Osteopathy, which is to cope with the fact there is no treatment, we'll just leave your topic here in this forum.

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21 January 2010 - 5:33 pm
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I'm so sorry to hear about Caira Sue's new diagnosis.   She is an amazing dog and I'm glad that you have had these really good 6 1/2 months with her.  I pray that she will continue to be able to overcome her adversities and give you lots more time for building memories.

Debra & Angel Emily

Debra & Emily, a five year old doberman mix, who was diagnosed with an osteosaecoma. She had a right rear leg amputation on May 19, 2009. On November 10, 2009 she earned her wings and regained her fourth leg.

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21 January 2010 - 6:48 pm
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Mary, I know this is devistating news for you, the kind we all dread.  It takes a lot of courage to take the time to share when your world is falling apart. That is some powerful information that most of us haven't seen.  My heart is with you and the wonderful Caira Sue.

Shanna & Spirit Trouble ~ Trouble gained her wings 3/16/2011, a 27 1/2 month cancer survivor, tail wagging. RIP sweetheart, you are my heart and soul.  Run free at Rainbow Bridge.
The November Five - Spirits Max, Cherry, Tika, Trouble & Nova. 11/2008 - 3/2013 An era ends as Queen Nova crossed the Bridge.

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21 January 2010 - 8:21 pm
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As always, your explanation was excellent.  I really wish that I had not understood what you were saying about Caira Sue, but for all those who have come to depend upon this site for knowledge, you did good.  None of us who pass through this site have not asked many what if's, but that is nothing more than a feudal exercise. You have been excellent pawrents through this journey and continue to be excellent pawrents.

This will have to be short because I just cannot find any words now, but I did not want to pass on the oppertunity to tell you that you are in our thoughts and prayers. Like so many of our warriors, I know that Caira Sue will continue to fight, continue to live a full life, continue to amaze us all, and to continue to be "Awesome".

Spirit Cherry's Dad - Bob

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20 September 2021 - 8:26 am
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Here it is 2021 and we are facing the same condition and it came on fast. I found your post looking for answers and still today there are none. Clinical Trial at Tufts, pre-amp, clear lungs, infection from Immuno-gel they put in amp site, 2 rounds Carboplatin chemo, then on day of 3rd round they found one lung tumor. Changed to another trial, same place, oral chemo Palladia and two immunotherapies, 2 week check bloodwork ok, 2 more weeks later the one lung tumor has double and two more appeared. We were offered one more dose of a different chemo Doxyrubicin. at this point he was weak from a month of alternating chemo days and his chance on one dose was less than 20% it would help. Two days later after refusing food and being lethargic, his legs just blew up like a 9 month pregnant women on a salt high. We get him on Rimadyl and call Oncologist,she says that is an uncommon development but it is Hypertrophic Osteopathy and really nothing will help except maybe temporary Zolendrate. I'm done with temporary now. We are just letting him live on pain meds for as long as he has will. This whole thing just sucks. I am sorry any of us have to be here. Hugs

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20 September 2021 - 9:46 am
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@Bubbasgram, we are so very sorry. Yes, H.O. is an awful situation, I wish we had answers for you. And I was hoping this UC Davis study from 2015 that I just discovered might have more recent information about treatment. Sadly, it doesn't, but is simply a retrospective look at how it develops in dogs. It may interest you;

Paraneoplastic hypertrophic osteopathy in 30 dogs

Treatment still just consists of pain management and treating symptoms. I thought I remembered that one member whose dog had it was given Lasix, a diuretic, to help with fluid retention. That may be something you want to talk to your vet about.

We are here for you and Bubba. Please feel free to start a new topic so we can all follow along closely. Much love & many hugs coming your way.

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20 September 2021 - 9:57 am
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So very, by sporry you and your sweet pup are going through this.  It took a lot for uou to post here, but we are so grateful  to you for sharing  your experience  and the protocol  she followed. !

Just know you have done ever ppssible  for your boy....more than many can or will,  and I hope you find comfort  in that.  It is a horrible  and brutal disease.  When medical progress seems to be standing  still, the frustration  is nerve wracking. 

Right now your pup is with you and conti ue to make every precious moment count.  We would love to see some pictures   of your amazing Warrior...and he is a warrior....and clearly  so very loved.  You are managing  his pain and he still is enjoying  tummy rubs and hopefully  eating every food he was never allowed before.  Time for ice cream and pancakes with butter and syrup.

We are sending  you lur love and support and pawsitive  energy .  

(((((((((Hugs)))))))))

Sally and Alumni Happy Hannah and Merry Myrtle and Frankie too!

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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