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29 December 2012 - 7:16 am
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smilinsammy said
OMG, huge darn post. Sorry!

Ditto!  blush

 

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29 December 2012 - 4:46 pm
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I've thought a lot about all your responses and I appreciate them very much. I have decided there are no easy answers. (And Beth and Jay: Long posts? Ha! This is a long post!)

I did almost laugh, Jerry, when you said you aren't sure that Evelyn is doggie daycare material. You've met her. It's ok; it won't hurt my feelings. You can say it. Evelyn is the canine equivalent of a freight train in a nitroglycerin factory. It's entirely possible that the train will stay on the tracks and not derail and nothing will blow up. Maybe.

Evelyn is acting a little less lost and a lot more pissed. Literally. She has used urine as a passive-aggressive reaction to disappointment her entire life, and she's amped it up. She had never slept with us in our bed, though she wanted to. She and Dakota slept on adjoining beds on the floor by our bed and they often oozed onto one or the other's bed during the night. It was not uncommon to find them on the same bed in the morning. That is a big change for her and she is very angry, I think. 

Evelyn has slept in our bed a few nights since Dakota died. I find it almost intolerable. She snores like a bulldog and is incredibly dense and therefore impossible to shove and adjust during the night. It's like sleeping next to a pile of concrete blocks that eventually take over your spot as you sleep. It sounds amusing, I'm sure, until you experience it. 

Night before last I couldn't take it anymore and pushed Evelyn off the bed onto her own bed, right next to me. Granted, it's lower than sleeping next to me in the bed but it's next to me. She attempted to jump back up a few times and I told her no. Then I heard her stomping around noisily on the bed and I knew what was coming. I just knew it. She took off like a bullet across the room and I smelled the urine. Last night, I didn't let her on the bed at all. Same thing. Stomping around, take off elsewhere, foul odor. 

I've been working with her all day today, reacquainting her with her crate. I'm rewarding her heavily for going into it and laying down, and she's cooperating nicely. She likes her crate, but she hasn't slept in it in years. I see no alternative but for her to sleep there now. I cannot have a dog peeing out of anger every night in my room. Her bedding has a waterproof barrier just for this, but I can't do it. It's not right and it's not healthy. 

So try as I might not to anthropomorphize Evelyn, I see no alternative but to believe she's angry and confused and acting like a toddler. In fact, I think that's exactly what she's doing. When a 2-year-old's mother goes to the store and never comes home, that child will act very much the same. So I guess time will mend this, but it's difficult in the moment.

Another dog isn't really possible right now, even if we thought it was a good time. We downsized our lifestyle significantly a year ago, and part of that including becoming renters instead of homeowners. Since we want to keep our location options open, it made sense. But renting with 2 dogs is not the easiest situation. One dog is doable. So for practical reasons, at least right now we're at one dog.

Shari

From abandoned puppy to Tripawd Warrior Dude, Dakota became one of the 2011 February Furballs due to STS. Our incredibly sweet friend lived with grace and dignity till he impulsively raced over the Bridge on 12-15-12.

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29 December 2012 - 5:04 pm
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Oh, I SO understand not being able to sleep with her - or tolerate the urine. 

 

But dogs don't really do 'misbehaving out of anger'.  I know it can seem like it sometimes, but usually, in a case like this, it's just a displacement activity.  Dogs definitely do displacement activities!  She's lost, she's unsure what to do, she's used to being on top of things, and suddenly everything has changed.  She wants the comfort of sleeping with someone, but when this is denied her (and trust me, I DO understand - I wouldn't be able to sleep with her, either) she has no idea what to do .. so she pees.  Inappropriate peeing is an anxiety response.

 

Maybe try a pheromone plug-in?  I think they're called 'Comfort Zone' in the US, but they're 'Adaptil' here in England.  It's an analogue of the appeasing and comforting pheromone nursing bitches produce to reassure their pups and it can work really well for adult dogs who are undergoing stress or anxiety.  Worked like magic for our old Jim who got more and more anxious (and therefore more and more leaky-bladdered) as he aged.  Within a week of plugging it in, he'd stopped peeing up the armchair in the lounge every night.  Result!!

 

Good luck!  I feel for you.

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29 December 2012 - 8:12 pm
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I've been looking into the Comfort Zone/Adaptil products. Both are available here. Any idea which would be better to try, the collar or the wall plug in? I'm inclined to try the collar because not all of Evelyn's issues are confined to bedtime. I hate to say it, but after I wrote the earlier post she peed on her bed in the living room. I wish fixing that could be as simple as something like this product, but that truly seems too good to be true.

Shari

From abandoned puppy to Tripawd Warrior Dude, Dakota became one of the 2011 February Furballs due to STS. Our incredibly sweet friend lived with grace and dignity till he impulsively raced over the Bridge on 12-15-12.

Dakota's thoughtful and erudite blog is at http://shari.tr.....pawds.com/

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30 December 2012 - 1:56 am
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To be honest, the collar IS too good to be true!  You need the wall plug-ins, and you need to work out properly how many you need if you have a large place.  You may need one upstairs and one downstairs, for instance.  The pheromones will spread through the air, but will be concentrated around the plug-in area, and will only cover so many cubic feet.  They also only really last a month, but this may be enough to get Evelyn over the worst and break her habit of peeing.

We've tried the collar and found it ... well, let's say, better as an addition to the plug-ins than something that works by itself. We've also tried (and still use) the pump spray bottle, which is more useful than the collar, but not as effective as the plug-in.  The plug-in provides a constant, high-level reassurance, the spray is great for using with a bandana when you are leaving the house or as a temporary addition inside the house.

Bottom line?  It works like magic for some (like my Jim), it works quite well and provides a good level of help for some, and doesn't seem to work at all for others.  All you can do is try!

Also, don't use bleach to clean up.  You may already know this, but it smells enough like a substance found in urine that dogs will continue to use the same spot after bleaching.  Something enzymatic or a specialist urine cleaning product would be better.  :)

I hope some of that is helpful.

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30 December 2012 - 1:59 am
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Just wanted to add that people often find that their dog will go and seek out the Adaptil 'smell' - that is, they'll choose to sleep in the bed nearest to the diffuser when they're feeling particularly anxious.

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30 December 2012 - 7:14 am
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Poor Evelyn, she sounds like a lost soul.  I've always been a one dog, one person household so I can't say that is the solution and if she has issues, you might be adding fuel to the flame.  But I was wondering if back to basics and maybe dog training.  It would get her out of the house and she could update her social skills.  Or even if you just take her out for walks and outdoor games.  You have all that pretty Colorado landscape to look at.  Oh and someone mentioned cleaning products -- I always understood that vinegar is a good cleaner because it neutralizes the urine.  Shari, you need your space and time right now too so take care of yourself first. 

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Years ago, when we put our Rottie mix (Zeke) down, our other dog Bailey was bereft.  He didn't eat for a week.  It was very hard on him.  Within a couple of months, we adopted another dog, and that seemed to help.  He and Gus have never gotten along to the degree that Zeke and Bailey did, but I think it provided enough of a distraction to pull Bailey out of his funk. 

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30 December 2012 - 8:38 am
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Shari, this is tough, I'm sorry you're dealing with Evelyn's challenges. I agree with Jay; all you can do is try the pheromone sprays. We tried them on Wyatt and they didn't do squat, but hey, you've met him, you know what he's like. All you can do is try And also, I highly recommend that you contact my friend Sarah Wilson at MySmartPuppy.com. Her team of behaviorists offer free help there and I'll bet they've dealt with this issue.

Jay, I didn't know that about bleach and urine. THANK YOU!

Good luck, you have my sympathies.

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30 December 2012 - 9:09 am
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Jay, I didn't know that about bleach and urine. THANK YOU!

 

 

You shouldn't use ammonia either - though I think few people use it for cleaning now, it is even worse than bleach for failing to get rid of the smell! 

 

You shouldn't mix bleach and urine anyway, because together they make chlorine gas.  Not good for ya!

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30 December 2012 - 10:00 am
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Shari, if the plug ins don't work for you, you could try a mild antidepressant.  A friend had an out of control standard poodle.  The prozac worked wonders.  He still isn't perfect, but he is significantly improved.

 

I think, given time, Evelyn will adjust to the new norm. Duke did finally break out of the funk of missing Trouble, but it took some time.  And even with Emmi here, the relationship isn't the same as it was with he and Trouble.

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30 December 2012 - 10:46 pm
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Shari, I would really be interested in knowing if the plug-in works for you.

You know, it's funny but we would like Wrigley to stay on the bed longer. He settles in the middle, at the end of the bed, until we are comfortable — then, he jumps down! Sammy used to hog the bed and we found ourselves clinging to our respective sides until he got too hot and opted for the tile floor in the bathroom. God forbid we should ask him to move! Now, we are not happy because Wrigley doesn't want to sleep with us. We just may be impossible to please.

Jim, are the plug-ins helpful for other problems as well? We won't be home to babysit for Sosa for a few months and I worry about him being alone (except for visits from the dog-walker). Could it soothe him and make him less lonely?

Beth

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Golden retriever, diagnosed with osteosarcoma in September 2010 — right front leg amputated November 2010. He fought valiantly to stay with us; but a second diagnosis of osteosarcoma, this time in his left front leg, was more than our golden warrior could overcome. He loved his pack — and everyone else he met.

We loved him even more.
Thanks for the pennies, Sammy. They helped.

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30 December 2012 - 11:00 pm
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Beth, everything I've ready about these things say they may help with anxiety behaviors, including separation anxiety and noise fears. I think if it's based on fear and/or anxiety, this is considered a potential relief. I've also seen most people saying it takes a week or so to tell if there is a difference. Since the plug ins last about a month, it appears that is the only investment if it does not help. If it's still a problem in a month, there is no need to buy a refill. Of course, if it helps, I'll gladly pay the $20 or so a month. 

Last night Evelyn started on the bed, then I had to give her the boot when I'd been enduring the snoring for hours. At some point she got back on the bed but was quiet and I didn't even know it. She was in a good spot at my feet without strangling my feet in the covers. I wouldn't care if she slept on my head as long as she didn't snore. We're not talking cute little doggie snores that make you smile. We're talking about old-man-asleep-in-the-recliner-after-a-big-dinner snores. Earth shaking. I filmed her snoring a few months ago. If you don't believe me, I can send it to you. smiley

Shari

From abandoned puppy to Tripawd Warrior Dude, Dakota became one of the 2011 February Furballs due to STS. Our incredibly sweet friend lived with grace and dignity till he impulsively raced over the Bridge on 12-15-12.

Dakota's thoughtful and erudite blog is at http://shari.tr.....pawds.com/

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30 December 2012 - 11:43 pm
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Shari, you're funny.  We haven't had a snoring dog yet, but before my husband got his snoring machine I seriously considered a pillow to the face — his, not mine. And I do mean seriously ... I thought I would jump out of my skin. And every time I woke him up to tell him he was snoring (snorting, hacking and buzz-sawing really) he had the gall to be surprised.

Smilin' Sammy, March 16, 2004 – Dec. 5, 2011
Golden retriever, diagnosed with osteosarcoma in September 2010 — right front leg amputated November 2010. He fought valiantly to stay with us; but a second diagnosis of osteosarcoma, this time in his left front leg, was more than our golden warrior could overcome. He loved his pack — and everyone else he met.

We loved him even more.
Thanks for the pennies, Sammy. They helped.

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31 December 2012 - 4:02 pm
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Dakota Dawg said  filmed her snoring a few months ago. If you don't believe me, I can send it to you. smiley

This deserves a YouTube upload. Heck, it's probably so good that you'll make advertising revenue! We wanna see it!

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