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Heart abnormality and a change in treatment plan
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10 June 2012 - 12:43 am
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A bit of a rough week at our house.  sad On Wednesday, we took Holly for her 2nd chemo treatment; she was supposed to alternate carpolatin and doxorubicin for a total of 6 treatments.  This was supposed to be her first doxorubicin treatment, and because of the risk of heart toxicity, they did a cardio exam before starting the treatment...and found an abnormality.  It's a bit fuzzy to me, but the cardiologist felt that there was something off about the way her heart is beating - is seems like it isn't expanding as much as it should or something.  After doing a more intensive cardio workup, the dr still wasn't able to determine the problem (which is sort of good, I guess, since that means there is no huge, obvious problem).  There was one small spot on her chest x-rays, but the consensus seems to be that it is a benign calcification or something similar and not metastasis.

Without a definitive diagnosis, we seem to be left with two possibilities: a blood clot or something called constrictive pericarditis.  The doctors were leaning toward the blood clot, since that could possibly be contributing to the pain she seems to be experiencing (they couldn't find anything with her back, legs, etc. that seemed to be a problem).  However, the blood test that indicates whether or not she has a blood clot came back negative.  Apparently it is not 100% accurate, so we are still hoping for that...we are going to try blood thinners and see what happens.  The pericarditis would be somewhat worse....depending on the underlying cause, I guess....and there isn't a way to determine the cause without pretty invasive tests which we won't put her through.  It is some sort of problem with the pericardium, which surrounds the heart.  Possibilities are everything from an infection (no evidence of that) to some sort of immune system problem (which could be related to the immune system being compromised due to cancer) to the very unlikely possibility that the cancer is in the pericardium (apparently this has never been reported in dogs with OSA). 

I'm really frustrated that we don't really know what is wrong...since this started, the only thing that has made me feel like I have any control is getting as much information as possible about her condition and then learning as much about it through reading etc. that I can....and I just can't do that here.  Has anyone had any experience with pericarditis?  Or other heart problems during treatment?  There isn't a ton of info. on it out there.  Also, of course, pretty concerned...not just thrilled that there is something else serious potentially wrong...plus, the doctor doesn't feel that doxorubicin is worth the risk if there are potential heart problems, so we have had to alter her treatment to 4 rounds of carboplatin....another reason I feel completely powerless...now her treatment plan has been dictated by this stupid problem. 

Ugh! Sorry for the long post...I'm just so frustrated and feeling less optimistic than I had been to this point.  Luckily, Holly isn't aware of the problems...she's pretty tired, but it's impossible to know if that is because of the chemo or the heart thing.  We've also had her back on tramadol some when it seems like she is experiencing the random pain, which pretty much knocks her out.  She's still eating and going to the bathroom etc...so that's good.  It's always something, I guess! what-ever

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10 June 2012 - 6:24 am
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well this just sucks!!  we didn't have heart problems, but i remember the concern with that as we did five rounds of doxorubicin.  so, i guess it's great news that your vets are so on top of that and have holly's heart issues at the top of the 'worry list'...  hopefully the carboplatin will have it's proper effect and you can go from there. 

remember - ''luckily, holly isn't aware of the problems''.  that's great, she's just enjoying each and every day, the best she can.  hope you can find a little sunshine through all of this, we know it's tough...

 

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10 June 2012 - 1:26 pm
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Dang! I'm so sorry you both got hit with this surprise news. But please try not to feel powerless....you have a GREAT team on your side and it doesn't get any better than that.  Hang in there, and whatever you find out about this condition, feel free to post the iinfo here to help others out someday.

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10 June 2012 - 7:26 pm
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OH Holly beans!!!  I hate hearing this!!!  But at least it was caught early!

 

Did your vet do an ultrasound on the heart?  Is that what you meant by cardio tests? 

I might suggest you go to the "ask a vet" category here and ask Dr. Pam what she thinks.  She really knows about this stuff and I remember her writing a long while ago to someone about heart issues.  She's a vet and she'll answer your questions.  If anything, it will make you feel better since we aren't vets.

Paws crossed for our Holly beans!

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10 June 2012 - 7:27 pm
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That does indeed suck. But, yes, it does sound like you have a really good team there. Sendng pawsitive thoughts out for Holly. Hopefully the carbo does the trick and you won't miss the doxorubicin.

Fingers and paws crossed that you'll find out the heart problem is easily treatable. Hang in there and keep us posted!
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10 June 2012 - 11:30 pm
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etgayle said
well this just sucks!!

 

 

Haha, thank you for saying so concisely what it took me that long, rambling post to say! 

And yes, we do have a great team...thank goodness they caught this!

Comet, that's a good idea...I will re-post on the ask a vet forum and see if I can get some info.   Come to think of it, I don't think they did an ultrasound....they did an ECG, an extended ECG, and x-rays.  I've got to call over there anyway tomorrow so I will ask them about why they didn't do it - it seems like it would be helpful.

Luckily, we had a nice day today - Holly seemed livelier than she has in the past couple of days and enjoyed some time outside.

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12 June 2012 - 8:25 pm
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I hope Holly is feeling better.  It's been hard to come back onto this site so soon after Crystal passed away but I happened to check today and although I don't have any experience with pericarditis (I don't think), Crystal did have heart issues which ultimately led us to let her go.  I don't really know many of the details of her heart problem but I thought I would relay what I know, even though it doesn't seem to be the same thing as what Holly has just in case it helps you or someone else in the future.

 

Crystal did one round of Carboplatin and a few weeks after this, she suddenly lost function in her back legs.  After a trip to the oncologist, they realized that she had high blood pressure.  We switched to a holistic vet soon after this and they were thinking that the high blood pressure was due to too high of a dosage of her medication for hypothyroidism, but in retrospect I wonder if was an early sign of the heart tumor that would come later.  Her blood pressure eventually returned back to normal though, even without the blood pressure medication.  That was the first potentially heart related experience we had.

 

The second came a few months later.  For a few days, she would cry off an on and occasionally yelp suddenly in pain.  The yelping was relatively infrequent and most of the time she wasn't crying but it was becoming more and more common so we took her the vet.  The vet listened to her heart and her heartbeat was irregular.  They then took an x-ray and did an EKG.  The x-ray showed a mass and the EKG was irregular.  I don't know much beyond that because the vet said that she was clearly in pain and she thought the right thing to do was not to let her suffer and be in pain any longer.  I sort of wish I asked to see the x-ray and EKG, although I'm not sure I would even see what I'm supposed to see and I don't know how useful it really would have been, but I guess I was just so overwhelmed that I didn't think of this at the time.  As a result, I don't actually know much about her heart issue and at this point, I'm too scared to ask, out of fear that it could have been treated and we made the wrong decision, even though I realize this is irrational.

 

Anyway, I'm not sure how similar all of this is to Holly's symptoms but if it would be helpful, I can ask either my vet about the details of Crystal's heart condition or give you her contact information and you can ask her about Crystal's condition yourself.  I hope it's not the same thing though and I hope Holly is feeling better and that you get some answers soon.

 

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12 June 2012 - 11:36 pm
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Christina -

Thank you so much for sharing that info.  I can't imagine how difficult it must be for you to be here right now so soon after having lost your beautiful girl.

 

Actually, when I first heard that there was a heart problem, I thought about Crystal - I had read about the cancer going to her heart so I immediately thought that that might be the problem.  They did mention that the cancer being in the heart is a possibility, although not one of the primary ones they suspect - they don't see any evidence of it on x-rays etc., but I guess it could still be too small to be seen.  I must admit that not being able to completely rule that out is terrifying me.  The crying on and off sounds somewhat similar to what you're describing.  It mostly happens when she shifts positions while lying down, and then some when she gets up...and the first sign of pain we had was a sudden yelp, although it hasn't happened again, fortunately.  She has been panting a lot in the last couple of days, but it has gotten a lot warmer, so I am trying very hard to not get worked up about it - it makes perfect sense for her to pant more.

 

I understand completely why you haven't dug too deep into the heart issue, so I certainly wouldn't ask you to find out more details.  You are amazingly kind and selfless to offer.  If you think that your vet would be willing to talk to me, I might be interested in contacting her.  I really like and trust my oncologist - but it would probably be informative to talk to someone who has seen a heart complication so recently.

 

I'm glad that you happened to check the site today - I know there isn't a lot that can bring you comfort right now, but I do think that Crystal's story is helpful to have here (although I wish this wasn't her story).  There is very little on the site about heart complications, so it's easy to suddenly feel a little bit lost, and hearing from someone who has experienced something similar lessens that a little bit.

 

Alex & Holly

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