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Gus , we're gettin' there, what about chemo
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23 April 2010 - 6:15 am
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Well, Gus just past his 2 week ampuversery and the last three days he has been more like himself than anytime the last 2 months. He is back to using his tanning bed(picnic table) during the day and laying on my lap at night, I must say taking one leg off of a 110 lb. dog doesn't make much difference on my lap. Tried taking him off pain meds, not so sure he is ready, seems phantom pain is still an issue, especially this morning. How long might I expect that, other than that I think he is doing great.What about chemo, our vet is checking on it for us. Are there side effects, is it worth it? Gus and myself feel we have become part of a great family, thank you all. Trust me, a picture of my buddy is coming. 

My buddy Gus had a left front amputation on April 7, 2010 and lived a great life until July 26,2010

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23 April 2010 - 6:50 am
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Good to hear about Gus' recovery! Well, as far as that spare leg and losing weight...we often wonder here how much that leg weighed beforehand. It's funny that the vets don't tell ya.

As far as phantom pain and how long it will ask...it's one of those "it depends" answers unfortunately. For some dogs it lasts weeks, for others it goes away as soon as the pain meds work their way out of their system. My advice to you is not to worry too much about it, just take it one day at a time.

About the chemo, well....it's another "it depends" answer. Dang! Not much help there is it? What we can tell you is that some drugs will cause more side effects than others, and some will not. Nobody can tell ahead of time how they will react but most do fine. The chemo is done in sessions a few weeks apart, and during that time your vet will determine how well your dog's body is handling it based on blood tests and other procedures. So again, one step at a time is the best way to approach it.

We highly recommend reading Dr. Demian Dressler's Canine Cancer Survival Guide. It's a downloadable e-book which can answer a lot of questions about chemo, the risks and benefits and how to determine if it's a good fit for you and Gus.

Remember, there are no one size fits all answers with cancer. Whatever you decide is right is right for you and Gus only. And we're here to help no matter which way you go.

 

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23 April 2010 - 7:24 am
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We're glad to hear Gus is doing so well!  And glad to hear he's back to his tanning bed!  wink

We opted to try chemo with Holly.  She sailed through the first round, but she experienced a loss of appetite/nausea after the next 2 rounds.  Our vet consults with an oncologist so we don't go directly to the oncologist for treatments (this saves us money).  Holly's chemo treatments involve her going in for bloodwork on a Monday, then chemo (carboplatin) on a Tuesday.  This is repeated every 3 weeks for 4-6 rounds.  If the bloodwork on Monday doesn't look good they postpone her chemo by a week and redraw blood again to be sure it's better the following week.  Her third chemo was delayed due to low white blood cell counts the day before it was scheduled.  The oncologist recommended checking her blood again one week after chemo to check on her reaction for the first 1 or 2 chemos.  Because she did so well with the first round, they opted to skip that step for the second round.  Looking back, had they realized her bloodwork was off earlier maybe they would have reacted more to the nausea... I'm not sure.  If you opt to try chemo, I'd strongly recommend asking for some anti-nausea meds to take home in case you need them.  Our vet didn't give us those until the third round and I think her 2nd round would have been less uncomfortable for her had she had them then.  She's had 4 treatments and tolerated the 4th one better, but they also reduced the amount they were giving her because of her reactions to previous treatments.

As our wonderful Admin said, chemo is a very individual decision.  Some dogs do really well with it, others have trouble.  We scheduled a visit with the oncologist prior to starting just to be sure we had all of our questions covered.  She strongly recommended 6 treatments if Holly could tolerate it.  I still have second doubts that this was the right course of action for our girl... but we are continuing down this road with hopes that ultimately it will help her.  There's another forum discussion on regrets with chemo - you might want to check that one out, too.  I think it was started back in Jan or Feb... but am not sure.  Sorry for rambling here...

Best wishes in making this decision!  Whatever you decide will be with love for Gus - and so will be the right decision for him.  We're all here for you!

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Holly and Holly's mom 

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23 April 2010 - 7:57 am
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Like Holly's mom said, chemo is a very individual decision, & I think most of us struggled with it.  We did opt to go ahead with chemo; one thing that really led us to this decision was speaking with an Internal Medicine Vet who let us know that it was our dog, we knew our dog better than anyone else, and we were in control – even if we opted to do chemo, we could stop at any point.

It's so hard to know if you are doing the right thing or not, but just remember whatever road you decide to take, you are taking that road out of pure love for Gus.  Best of luck.

Amputation on 11/10/09, due to Histiocytic Sarcoma in left elbow. Angel Harley earned his wings on 06/24/10.

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23 April 2010 - 9:18 am
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jerry said:

About the chemo, well….it's another "it depends" answer.  


 
 The ability of the surgery to remove the source of the extreme pain of osteosarcoma is the one constant that I have seen while a member of this community. Like the reaction to pain meds, chemotherapy may be one of the more diverse reactions and opinions. As with everything here, it is a personal choice and we know that you will be making your decisions based upon what is best for Gus. Jerry had extremely great success for a very long period of time without chemotherapy. I personally attribute Miss Cherry's success to the very aggressive chemotherapy and the team that coordinated our overall treatment. There are reasons to believe that she had a growth on her single functioning kidney at the time of her initial diagnosis, but we were fortunate enough to have 405 days after the amputation. For a Standard Poodle who turned eleven the day before her surgery, we think that this was nothing short of a miracle. Miss Cherry's initial treatment occured just hours after the amputation, just as soon as her body temperature returned to normal. Yes, as with humans, good surgical techniques for something as complicated as an amputation dictate lowering the body temperature. Miss Cherry did not suffer from a drop in blood count, nor did she have nausea, but she did have a total loss of appetite. This was due to the bad chemical taste. Even I could "taste" this horible whenever I kissed her. I had to stuff nearly every morsal of food during this time, and while her appetite did suffer longer term, we are ever so grateful for the success of the chemotherapy. Two more common complications that Miss Cherry experienced and are common amongst humans: 1) She was cold much of the time and would shiver if she did not have her sweaters or was covered. (Miss Cherry had special had made sweaters with a missing left fore-leg hole.) 2) Her imune system seemed to have been comprimised and caught many more "bugs" after the chemotherapy than she ever did before.

However, have said all this, I will again state that chemotherapy is much more personal and it is unclear how much it helps in many cases. Be sure to do you homework (as it appears that you already are doing.) Our local vet (also a family friend) gave us an article that describes this issue rather well. You can view that article with this LINK.  Also, you can read about Miss Cherry's One Year Ampuversary Celebration along with some photos via this LINK.

Above all else, this community will continue to support your decision because we understand how difficult it is and know that your focus will be on what is best for Gus. Looking forward to hearing about more improvement regarding his return to a great quality of life.

Spirit Cherry's Dad

 

 

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23 April 2010 - 10:48 am
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we had a very good experience with chemotherapy, partly because we had a super oncologist who would listen to alternative treatments I had found and would let me try them out (pau d'arco, astragalus, cell power, fish oil, countless others).  Jack was scheduled for 6 rounds of adriamycin, but at $500 every 3 weeks plus bloodwork, we could only afford to do 4.  It is expensive.  He had no side effects (except 1 day of diarrhea with the last treatment when I forgot to give him his anti-nausea medication).  We moved to a different state and went to one visit with the oncologist out here who was completely the opposite of our original doctor, and after that, I decided to forego any further treatments, x-rays, or oncology visits and just let the dog be a dog.  Jack will celebrate 11 months in a week and a half.  Every dog is different and will react to the chemo and treatments in their own way.  The important thing is that you feel comfortable with the decision that you make, because a positive attitude may have a bigger impact than any drug you could give 🙂  Don't treat Gus any differently...he's not disabled, he's differently abled...he's not dying from cancer, he's living with cancer.  Best wishes as you make further decisions, and keep us updated 🙂 

 

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23 April 2010 - 10:39 pm
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ldillon81 said:

we had a very good experience with chemotherapy, partly because we had a super oncologist who would listen to alternative treatments


 

It also can't be stressed enough that it's critical to have a good relationship with your medical team if you do choose to do chemo. You must be able to feel comfortable advocating for Gus and speaking on his behalf, so be sure to ask yourself if you feel like you can approach them with any question whatsoever, should you decide to proceed.

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24 April 2010 - 5:09 am
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I'm going to throw another factor into the equation.  Chemo is a personal choice.  For me, I didn't want Trouble to be ill and feeling bad knowing her time may be limited.  My husband and our vet convinced me to try one round.  You can always make the decision to stop, and you know you have given it a chance.  I do believe it slows the regrowth if all of the cancer is removed, and helps with those microscopic size mets that are there but can't been seen in x-rays.

Another choice we made was to forego the oncologist.  The closest one to us was 2 hours away and I didn't want to take a dog who already didn't feel well for treatment that made her feel worse and then have a two hour trip home with a sick dog.  Didn't sound like fun for me or for her.  We were able to have our vet (who is absolutely wonderful by the way) consult with the oncologist and administer the chemo locally.  This worked out so much better for us.  If you have a wonderful vet, it may be an option for you as well.

Good luck and good thoughts to you and Gus.

Shanna & Spirit Trouble ~ Trouble gained her wings 3/16/2011, a 27 1/2 month cancer survivor, tail wagging. RIP sweetheart, you are my heart and soul.  Run free at Rainbow Bridge.
The November Five - Spirits Max, Cherry, Tika, Trouble & Nova. 11/2008 - 3/2013 An era ends as Queen Nova crossed the Bridge.

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24 April 2010 - 11:11 am
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Magic started chemo three weeks after his amp with carboplatin...he sailed through it with no problems, but had low white count two weeks later so they waited three weeks to do the second round...before the second round, his vet did chest xrays which unfortunately showed lung mets...so the vet got mad and saiid the damn cancer laughed at us and changed to the Doxorubicin (Adriamycin) last Sunday.  Magic had no sides from either treatment and we need to wait for blood work to see if the white cell count will drop with this one also.  They did a "just in case" round of antibiotics after the low count the first time.  In another two weeks they will do another chest xray to check the status. 

I wonder if one of the things that helped Miss Cherry was starting so soon, but the honest answer is this horrid thing is so weird that there are no absolutes.  It seems like all of our furkids react somewhat differently and the outcomes are somewhat different.

Good luck and keep us posted!

 

 

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25 April 2010 - 7:35 pm
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Happy 2 week ampuversary Gus!! superstar So glad that you're feeling so much better now!

We didn't do chemo for our Jake... mostly due to financial issues... Jake only made it about 8 weeks after his surgery, when his cancer spread to his spine. I don't know if we had tried chemo, if he would have lived a little longer... None of us can tell the future... Jerry lived so long without any chemo, and then when he got lung mets, he did metronomic chemo and lived several months more... Others do chemo and don't do well on it... I think that whatever you decide to do, it will be the right choice. You can't beat yourself up over the decision...

Good luck with everything! Sending you and Gus lots of hugs!!

Angel Jake's Mom

Jake, 10yr old golden retriever (fractured his front right leg on 9/1, bone biopsy revealed osteosarcoma on 9/10, amputation on 9/17) and his family Marguerite, Jacques and Wolfie, 5yr old german shepherd and the newest addition to the family, Nala, a 7mth old Bengal mix kittie. Jake lost his battle on 11/9/2009, almost 8 weeks after his surgery. We will never forget our sweet golden angel… http://jakesjou.....ipawds.com ….. CANCER SUCKS!

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