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Day 5 - Suddenly falling over when getting up and crying
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1 February 2019 - 7:40 pm
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Hi all. We are new to the group.  Griffin is a 13-yr-old mini Aussie who had his front left leg amputated Monday due to osteosarcoma.  He was doing great getting around Tues and Weds - and perhaps got around too much.  Yesterday and today he’s been slower to move around and is now having trouble standing after he’s been lying down.  He’s fallen over crying in what sounds more like fear/anxiety than pain?  His body actually looks all contorted as he’s going down too.  I’ve been able to catch him a few times and can calm him down a bit.  I’m not sure if this phantom pain or maybe cramps in his rear legs?  I hold him and massage his legs and then he eventually gets his balance to stand.  We see the vet for an incision recheck in the morning but thought I’d hop on here and say hello and see if anyone has experienced this?  Poor pup almost looks like he’s a having a seizure or is possessed when this happens.  Hurts the heart. 🙁 

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1 February 2019 - 8:46 pm
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Hello and welcome, your future posts will not have to wait for approval.

So- how active is Griffin? Our surgeon said only short, leashed potty breaks for the first two weeks post amp.

Also- what pain meds is Griffin on?

It is not unusual for there to be a 'crash' around 3 to 5 days post op.  The good surgery meds are done, and the exhausting new hop starts to take it's toll.  He will get better and stronger but you are very early in recovery.

Phantom Pain often manifests itself seeming out of the blue- but it could be part of his issue. 

Are you helping him when he is up- sounds like maybe not.  We often see here that the more mature pups take a little longer to get their 'sea legs' so maybe he needs a sling to help him get around and gain confidence.

One other question- does he have good traction where ever he tries to hop? Traction is very important for Tripawds, especially new ones so be sure all slippery surfaces are covered with rugs or yoga mats.

Good timing with a vet visit tomorrow- let them know about everything your seeing and have a discussion about maybe adjusting pain meds to get Griffin comfortable.

Karen and the Spirit Pug Girls

Tri-pug Maggie survived a 4.5 year mast cell cancer battle only to be lost to oral melanoma.

1999 to 2010

 

              Maggie's Story                  Amputation and Chemo

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Ditto the insight of Karen.  Many times we see dogs who have overdone it and have created sore muscles,  spine issues, etc.  

What is his pain management   plan?  The first several  days he still has the hospital  meds in his system.  After that, pain management   may need some tweaking.   And as Karen said, just short, short, short potty breaks, and then back to bed!  It "usually " takes approximately  two weeks to recover from the MAJOR surgery itself, and about one month for the muscles to adapt to the new gait, etc.  

Massage up and down. his spine, his neck and shoulders several times a day.  You'll probably feel some tense areas and may even feel him relax more as the massages continue.

Recovery  is no picnic,  that's  for sure.  Keep in mind it major surgery and this is still BERY early in recovery. 

STAY CONNECTED and update when you can, okay?

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Sally and Alumni Happy Hannah and Merry Myrtle and Frankie too!

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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2 February 2019 - 1:03 pm
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Yep, I'd agree with everything suggested here. Oftentimes we think our Tripawd isn't doing too much activity because we don't really know what's good or not good for them on three legs. It's such a learning curve. You'll both get there.

Definitely let your vet know what's going on, and ask for a referral to a canine rehabilitation therapist. These experts know how to evaluate a Tripawd for their physical challenges, and how to best educate us to help them be happy and injury-free. The best part is the Tripawds Foundation may even pay for your first rehab visit

Oh and our e-book, Loving Life On Three Legs , also has lots of good information about how to keep a Tripawd injury-free.

I'm so sorry about the diagnosis. Osteo used to be considered a "big dog" cancer, obviously not anymore. We see it far too often in smaller breeds now. 

One last thing: you may want to call your vet today to have a talk with them about his pain medications. They may be able to tell you the best way to adjust them with just a phone call. That way Griffin can get relief now instead of waiting till the appointment.

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Thanks all!  Yes, I’ve been assisting him but it’s like he may miss his footing or has a leg cramp that causes a balance issue and then he’s upset and panics trying to catch himself?  It’s really hard to explain and the vet was unsure about it all this morning too.  She’s really happy with his incision so at least that’s going well.  She gave me a rehab suggestion which is near the oncologist we’re seeing next Thursday so I’ll see if we can get in there.  He’s on Gabapentin and Rimadyl and she sent us home with tramadol in the event I feel he’s in pain but these episodes seem to be connected to getting up after sleeping for some time and really feel like panic and not pain.  He slept well last night - was able to keep him in his bed from 9pm until 730am!  So I’m doing better about restricting him to his bed.

He’s eating and drinking great; in fact he’s almost ravenous!  Vet said the Gabapentin could be giving him a little but of the munchies.  I’m holding back on the treats to ensure he doesn’t gain weight but it’s hard.  He’s doing his business pretty regularly now and figured that out fast but you can tell he is not happy about squatting instead of lifting his leg!  Dominant little guy would mark on everything on our walks but now we have a new normal.   Oh, and we’re in northern virginia and have been dealing with subzero weather, snow and ice all week so it’s been pretty tough on both of us!  Lovely timing but we have a warm up coming this week.

Thanks for all the suggestions and guidance!

-Kim & Griffin

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3 February 2019 - 12:55 pm
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Maube try and video Griffith  when he is having trouble with his footing. It certainly could just be the leg has simply. "gone to sleep".  Because  he's doing so well overall, I think he'll get past this.  He's  still adjusting  to just having one front leg.

A dog Barret, all the sudden couldn't  get up...front leg mot holding  him up.  Rushes him to Vet.  Barret prances in like a  marathon Champion! Vet decided  foot jad merely "gone to sleep".

Keep us posted! You're  doing everything right. 

Hugs 

Sally and Alumni Happy Hannah and Merry Myrtle and Frankie too!

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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3 February 2019 - 3:29 pm
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Kim I'm so glad you were able to get in to see the vet. On a Sunday even, nice! And I"m thrilled you got a referral to rehab for him. Don't forget to take advantage of our reimbursement program.

When it comes to how he shows pain, there is a condition known as "hyperalgesia." I'm wondering if this might be the issue. You can read about it here but in short:

The first and most difficult to manage is the development of something called hyperalgesia—an increased sensitivity to pain—that is the result of enduring, untreated pain conditions.

Let’s take a look at the hyperalgesia first. The spinal cord can respond to a constant barrage of pain signals by actually increasing its sensitivity to incoming pain signals and by recruiting non-pain-sensing nerve fibers, such as those used for touch, and turning them into pain fibers as well. These changes can become permanent if not treated, and maybe even if they are treated.

Of course the rehab therapist can pinpoint the issue, and we will be curious to find out what they diagnose. I hope you can get in quickly! 

Stay warm over there, that weather looks soooo brutal.

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We have a weather warm up but now a mud pit for a yard!  sad  We had a pretty good day today as we hit one week post-amp.  I added tramadol to his regimen on Sunday and I think that helped.  He still had another "episode" this morning but they seem to be happening less often now.  More of his personality returned today.  He's the smartest dog I've ever known so he's doing pretty well figuring things out.  He continues to be frustrated he is stuck in one room and can't run in the backyard and explore - working dog wants to patrol his property!  Biopsy should be back tomorrow or next day; oncologist appointment Thursday. Big week again.  Rehab folks won't see him until sutures are out; oncologist may do that for us Thursday.  If not, we'll see vet Monday for that. 

I am tired.

Thanks for all the support and advice! 

-Kim

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5 February 2019 - 3:59 pm
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Jerry - thanks for 

mrgandme said
We have a weather warm up but now a mud pit for a yard!  sad  We had a pretty good day today as we hit one week post-amp.  I added tramadol to his regimen on Sunday and I think that helped.  He still had another "episode" this morning but they seem to be happening less often now.  More of his personality returned today.  He's the smartest dog I've ever known so he's doing pretty well figuring things out.  He continues to be frustrated he is stuck in one room and can't run in the backyard and explore - working dog wants to patrol his property!  Biopsy should be back tomorrow or next day; oncologist appointment Thursday. Big week again.  Rehab folks won't see him until sutures are out; oncologist may do that for us Thursday.  If not, we'll see vet Monday for that. 

I am tired.

Thanks for all the support and advice! 

-Kim

  

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Kim I'm so glad you were able to get in to see the vet. On a Sunday even, nice! And I"m thrilled you got a referral to rehab for him. Don't forget to take advantage of our reimbursement program.

When it comes to how he shows pain, there is a condition known as "hyperalgesia." I'm wondering if this might be the issue. You can read about it here but in short:

The first and most difficult to manage is the development of something called hyperalgesia—an increased sensitivity to pain—that is the result of enduring, untreated pain conditions.

Let’s take a look at the hyperalgesia first. The spinal cord can respond to a constant barrage of pain signals by actually increasing its sensitivity to incoming pain signals and by recruiting non-pain-sensing nerve fibers, such as those used for touch, and turning them into pain fibers as well. These changes can become permanent if not treated, and maybe even if they are treated.

Of course the rehab therapist can pinpoint the issue, and we will be curious to find out what they diagnose. I hope you can get in quickly! 

Stay warm over there, that weather looks soooo brutal.

  

jerry - thanks for the post!  we are now leaning towards myofascial pain syndrome.  Adding amantadine to his pain management drugs.  Sigh.  and, looking for holistic vet and neighbor has recommended one that did acupuncture for her lab.  The episodes are random but i was clearly wrong about pain vs panic and now feel awful! sad

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We'll Griffin, you sure like to shake things up!  I had to look up myocardial and it certainly  sounds logical based on your symptoms.

Now, not exactly always a good resource, but from what I read on Dr Google, this is treatable!   Dry needle acupuncture and massage specific  to this issue seem to  be the peotocol and definitely get great results. 

I even found a book on Amazon (sorry, forgot to copy the link), about treatment  with lots of focus on the proper massage.

And do NOT be hard on yourself for trying to figure out there symptoms!  Myofascial is not exactly the first thing that would come ro mind, not by a looking shot!!

We'll be following  Griffin's progress and celebrating as he continues  to move past this!   

Extra hugs 

Sally and Alumni Happy Hannah and Merry Myrtle and Frankie too 

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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5 February 2019 - 6:50 pm
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Oh good to know he's getting his mojo back! And I agree, don't beat yourself up. Most of us have never dealt with a surgery recovery of this magnitude and dealing with pain signals is such a guessing game. You're doing great, what an advocate for Griffin!

We're sending you lots of good energy for a productive, restful and easy week. Let us know how the appointment goes.

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The amantadine seems to be helping and we took out the tramadol and have been episode free since Tues night!  He's sleeping a lot more but I'm good with that.  It's clear it is his back left leg that has the muscle pain and we'll have to build his core up to help with that leg which has always had underdeveloped muscle mass due to a puppy injury. 

Sutures came out today and all looks good there.  Lymph nodes came back NEGATIVE for cancer; thank you god!  They were hyperplastic but no neoplasia!!! clap Bone biopsy still in process due to a screw up by the lab delaying the work.  Grr.  Oncologist appointment pushed to 2/15 as a result.  cryingFound a certified rehab therapist on your site who is in my town and does house calls so we're setting that up for next week now that his sutures are out.  Monday is two weeks post-amp and feels like it has been months!!!  

So glad to have this site as a resource!

THANK YOU!

-Kim & Griffin

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Sutures are out! YAY!!    Negative lymph nodes!!  YAY!!

Griffith is on the upswing now  and should have all this recovery stuff behind him soon!  The Rehab will be so helpful too.  Being comfortable enough to rest a lot is good this early on.   

You're  doing a great job navigating  all the hurdles you've  had thrown yiur way!

Hugs

Sally and Alumni Happy Hannah and Merry Myrtle and Frankie too!

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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That is WONDERFUL news (minus the path lab mess up!). Fantastic to hear he's feeling better and you're on your way to the rehab center. PAWESOME JOB MOM!

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