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Co-Enzyme Q-10, K9 Immunity & Dr. Weil
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17 June 2008 - 5:18 pm
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Hi all,

I thought I read about Q-10 somewhere on this site but can’t find it, so will start a new post. Has anyone used this? It’s supposed to protect the heart with chemo like Adria and I know Whole Foods carries several brands. How do you choose and know the dosing?

This is really weird and I love it when this happens: I was wondering if Dr. Andrew Weil had heard of the K9 products and tried to send him an email which was denied for some reason, so I went back to the dogcancer.net forum and did a search on Q-10 and Dr.Weil’s website popped up! I didn’t even think to do a search on his site. Maybe this is superstitious, but I usually take these co-incidences as positive reinforcements to the ‘path’ I may be on at the time. If that’s too Woo-Woo, then it’s fun anyway.

 thx. 

micki z.

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17 June 2008 - 5:58 pm
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This is the first time we’ve heard about the Co-Enzyme Q-10, so you didn’t read about it here. Wink

But we did find it in the new online natural supplements superstore we recently discoverded – kalyx.com. Here’s what they had to say …

CoEnzyme Q-10 50 mg 45 capsules


CoEnzyme Q-10: Promotes Energy Production in the Heart. Aids Cellular Energy Production. Provides Antioxidant Support. Co-Q10, also known as CoEnzyme Q-10, is an essential component of our cells which promotes energy production. Numerous studies have shown CoEnzyme Q-10 plays a key role in promoting cardiovascular health. As we age, our body’s natural production of CoQ-10 slows down, making it harder to convert fats and sugars into energy. Natrol® CoQ-10 is a natural antioxidant that helps cells work more efficiently in the heart and throughout the body.*

This does seem to be for humans, so please be sure to ask your vet or do further research and let us know what you find out. Thanks!


*Please see kalyx.com for disclaimers.

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17 June 2008 - 7:28 pm
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Thx, Jerry.

I found it at the National Cancer Institute:

http://www.canc…..ient/page2

(scroll down to #5 re: studies in animals undergoing this chemo, Adriamycin (doxyrubicin), which has an effect on the dog’s heart contracting abilities) 

 I’m going to get some I think. 

(But of course, Dr. Weil has his own label and sells this as well. Wouldn’t you know it.)

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Micki,

My Barney finished his 5th round of Adriamycin on May 17th. The 5 doses were spread 2 weeks apart from each other. He started on CoQ10 when he started his chemo and he is remaining on it because, as you said, Adria can have toxic affects on the heart over time, so the CoQ10 is an antioxidant to help mitigate that risk.

Barney is an 80lb yellow lab, and he is on 30mg of CoQ10, twice a day.

Wags and hugs to you!

Linda and Barney B

 

 

 

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Thx guys for the quick response!  How did you arrive at his formula? by those calculations, Buster at 14lbs should get about 5.25mg. I hope to talk to his holistic vet today sometime to verify this.

Is Barney B done with his chemo?  I hope he’s feeling much better.

It’s hard to "make" them feel worse in hope of making things better in the long run. Such a decision. I’m going day by day. Today Buster gets his stitches out and in for 1st chemo same day. What a lot to go through. But I’ve been really positive around him and very encouraging..I actually feel that way as I know I’m doing all I can do.

 E-Hug!  

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I gave one capsule per day of CoQ10 60mg to Genie, she was 58 lb.

It can cause nausea at high dose.  I don’t know what is considered as high dose for dogs.  When I was snooping at a health food store, the lady thought I was getting for myself, she suggested if I had not had CoQ10 before, I should start at lower dose and work up (e.g 60 to 100 to 200).  I guess that would apply to our friends too.  I had been sticking with 60mg per day for her, since she did not have chemo.

As toxins from chemo will go to varies parts of the system, you might also want to protect/strengthen the digestive tract, kidney, and liver.

Acidophilus to help build friendly bacteria in the gut.

Vitamin C would be the basic antioxidant and the most common one that can help the kidney.

Milk Thistle to detoxify the liver.

Some of these will have to be taken a few days after chemo treatment.  It would be better to check with a holistic as to how best to give these supplements.

All the best.

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Hey Micki Z my mom was reading again her book and found out some information about the coenzyme Q-10. It says that the body can obtain this enzyme from your diet..mostly from meat, such as heart, liver, spleen and kidney…not sure if you have heard of the BARF diet or the raw diet. It goes to say that usually eventhough you can find it in the diet that it amount is not high enough to get a therapeutic dosage. Some more reading and it tells us that the norm dosage for a human is between 30-300 mg daily. In pets, the typical recommended dosage is 30mg every 24 to 48 hrs. but the vet that wrote the book recommends 1mg per poung per day.

Go to the bookstore and look for this book – The Natural Vet’s Guide to Preventing and Treating Cancer in Dogs

by Shawn Messonnier, DVM
. Check out starting on page 177….or if you have an email addres my mom can send you the information via email as it has several pages talking about this coenzyme. My mom thinks this book is awesome and has lots and lots of information.

Hope you are feeling good!

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Hey Kellie,

My library actually had that book and I’ll pick it up today. Thanks for taking the time  to do a little research for me. 

 I wish there was more consistency between all the different dosing I’ve seen on several products, even from vet to vet the amts are so different. According to Messonnier, my 14 lb dog should be getting 14mg a day of Q-10. My holistic vet says between 10-30 2 times a day! But what about the fact that the National Cancer Institute says it’s an antioxidant, then I shoudn’t use it during chemo.  Genie didn’t have chemo so that wasn’t an issue there. Barney did have chemo and used the Q-10.

I don’t know what to think. Better call the holistic vet back and give her this info.

 

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This is just a heads-up in case any of you are taking this product. There are a few things I just found and now I am doubting my holistic vet and will get in touch with her. The suppliment (DLPA DL-Phenylalanine) she prescribed – (not for his present cancer but from before), we talked about last night but nothing untoward was mentioned. Both these companies have warnings about taking this if you’re a cancer patient:

http://www.lef…… 

http://www.swee….. 

micki z.

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