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Woohooooooo 🎉🎉🎉

Celebrating madly here and raising a glass to beautiful Belle 🥂

These are the BEST news 😄😄😄

SO happy for you all 😍

Sending you an avalanche of kisses and a cloud of sausage shaped cuddles to your cutie pie 😘🐮💫✨🌟🌹

Eurydice 77kg/170lb Great Dane limping end of April 2016, amputation (right front leg/osteosarcoma) 4 May 2016 6 courses of carboplatin followed by metronomic therapy, lung mets found 30 Nov 2016. 3 courses of doxorubicin, PET scan 26 Jan 2017 showed more mets so stopped chemo. Holistic route April 2017. Lung X-ray 5 May 2017 showed several tennis ball size mets, started cortisone and diuretics. Miss Cow earned her XXL silver wings 12 June 2017, 13 months and 1 week after amputation and 6 1/2 months after lung mets, she was the goofiest dawg ever and is now happily flying from cloud to cloud woof woofing away :-) 

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Happy Friday news!!! Just got the results from the pathology test: they confirmed 2.5 cm of clean tissue!!!!

We are SO HAPPY!!! I bet you can hear us dancing and celebrating in 3 legs!! I am beyond ecstatic and thankful  😍😀🤗heartclap  

The very best, most amazing news! This should make the little ups and downs of recovery easier to deal with, because this is just so positive for the quality of her future.  heartheart

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On October 27, 2016, nearly 6 months after amputation, and 18 months since his cancer likely started, we lost Pofi to a recurrence of Soft Tissue Sarcoma in his spine quite suddenly.  His Daddy and I miss him terribly along with his canine sister, Mia, and two feline siblings, Lucia and Cliff.

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WHEW! What a great way to start the weekend, how wonderful! Thanks for sharing the news, we are dancing right along with you!clownclap

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Belle is still panting – heavy breathing from time to time and it lasts for a bit. Anyone has experienced the same?

She finished her antibiotics yesterday, she is on gabapentin now 1xday and then the Onsior for another 3 days.

Just heard her bark for the first time since the amp, which made me very happy!! I missed her yummy voice heartbig-blink😁clap

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Can you pinpoint  when the panting seems most noticeable?  For example, (and kind of assuming  it’s  still,pain related), some dogs show this kind of reaction as the previous pain med wears off and maybe an hour or more  before the next pain med is due?  

I’m  not a Vet and not giving  Vet advice.  However, according  to Dr Google  (who is not a Vet either😂) the Onisor ahould only be given for three days and no more.  I’m  not as familiar  as that drug being fiven as much as the Tramadol  and Gabapentin. Anyway, just something  to ask your Vet.

Gabapentin  just once a day may need to be adjusted back to twice a day. Many dogs are on that drug (as well as Tramadol) for the first two weeks or more. Or some other drug inbetween to stop the paun before it has a chance  to get a grip.  Wind up pain is hard to get back under control.  

And yes, if I recall correctly, my Happy Hannah  did pant off and on for at least the first week.    In her case, it was pain related  and a show of some discomfort.  She was on her pain meds in some form going on three weeks.

Not being that familiar with Onisor, I can only say the Gaba once a day just doesn’t  seem enough to ,handle the pain this soon after major surgery.  I know at first the Vet associated  the panting  with Gaba (which is often seen as a sign of pain, as well as sometimes  just the pain meds too),  but now with just once a day, it seems more and more like a sign of pajn. 

Again, not a Vet and not giving  Vet advice.  If you feel like the panting is not a result  of some of the things we have mentioned,  then get her in for a checkup for respiratory, fever, blood work,  etc.  And do ask about the Onisor  and the length of time she can be in it.  I’m  interested  in knowing  more about that drug as we like to,learn abput all,pain management   options.  And just because  I don’t  see it used as much here, doesn’t  mean  squat!!!

Does she still have her wrap on?  Is the panting more associated  with movement  or can she just be laying around and all of the sudden start panting?  

Now, let’s  get on with our CELEBRATION!!!!😎

YAAAAAAAAY FOR THE  MOST BEAUTIFUL  SOUND IN THE WORLD…..BELLE’S BARK😁😁😁  That calls for a scoop of ice cream!!

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WOOF WOOF Belle, well done, girl 👌🏽🎀

Eurydice was on medication for 2 1/2-3 weeks  if my memory is not failing me and she did pant on and off for at least the first week after surgery. 

Like Sally says, something to ask your vet.

Hugs and cuddles 😘🐮💫✨🌟🌹

Eurydice 77kg/170lb Great Dane limping end of April 2016, amputation (right front leg/osteosarcoma) 4 May 2016 6 courses of carboplatin followed by metronomic therapy, lung mets found 30 Nov 2016. 3 courses of doxorubicin, PET scan 26 Jan 2017 showed more mets so stopped chemo. Holistic route April 2017. Lung X-ray 5 May 2017 showed several tennis ball size mets, started cortisone and diuretics. Miss Cow earned her XXL silver wings 12 June 2017, 13 months and 1 week after amputation and 6 1/2 months after lung mets, she was the goofiest dawg ever and is now happily flying from cloud to cloud woof woofing away :-) 

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Yay for Barky Belle!

When does the panting occur? After movement? When she’s just laying around? Narrowing down this information can help your vet when you talk.

Something else to consider: what’s the weather like? Is it hot? I know that might be a silly question but sometimes we overlook the obvious when we are worried about other things. I know because I freaked out once when our Jerry was panting like crazy one day. We swore it was lung mets, the end, that was it. But when we called his vet and she asked “What’s the weather like?” we realize he was panting because it was just hot. Duh (slaps forehead with hand)!

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Thanks for all the advice and encouragement. You are an amazing team of experienced parents of tripawds! 💖❤🧡💚  And we are so thankful and lucky to have found you.

Very little panting during the day today so far. It happened last night -in the middle of it and we cannot find any pattern or association.

About the heat: we keep the AC on for her; you said it! We don’t want to confuse being hot with the other potential causes. We also cut off a layer from the t-shirt they made for her at the hospital (we were worried that would be another ‘source for heat.)

Her vet recommended to stop all medications tomorrow onwards to see if its the side effects.

Her mood improves little by little and day by day, what is very promising. She came today to the kitchen while i was preparing supper (before amp. -even with the limping- she would never miss a chance to get some veggies on the go and she would jump on 3 legs already if it was something she really liked and was not getting enough! Belle loves food)

The other thing we noticed after amp. is that she doesn’t seem to chew her food but swallows it instead (even the knibbles or pieces of cucumber or carrot as an example) It has improved over the days but i am still not happy with that. Any similar experience?

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If you don’t mind me throwing another option out there, please keep her quiet. No jumping or running. Even if you have to bring her snack to her, that’s ok for now. The more rest she gets now the better it will be for her healing. 

This is just my experience. I am not a vet but if she does too much now it’s just going to delay her healing and give her more discomfort and the possibility swelling and leakage. 

Jackie and Huck ❤️

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Thanks for your advice, Jackie. She really does not do much, coming to the kitchen is 2 steps from where she usually lays down. We are following vet’s advise of 3 weeks rest. 

sadLots of panting at night, that’s the only pattern we could find: its more during the night.

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I wonder why it is just at night. The only thing that my memory with others has experienced similar was because they were running low on pain meds and with the help of their vet they rearranged the medication schedule so that the meds lasted better throughout the evening and the panting stopped. Other than that I am out of ideas. 

Swallowing food without chewing.. Mitchell does that lol.. but he has always done that. That is his “norm” if you want to call it that hahah. I don’t know why she would all of a sudden do that, kind of odd? Will be interesting to see if a med free day changes that new behavior. 

The panting could be an effect of the medicine, and then you have to weigh out her comfort level with and without it. I would think at this point you will be able to see a difference even if it is a small difference in her to gauge her pain level. They are so good at hiding pain, it is their instinct not to let anybody know when they are injured as a method of survival so just watch her, her appetite, if she flinches at all or goes for the incision area and see how she does. The only worrisome thing is if pain reoccurs it is sometimes harder to get back under control, just like with people. 

I hope you all have a good day today, hang in there, recovery can be tricky and we have all gone through different things with ours as they healed. This will all get better!!

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Glad to hear she is eating. Not sure what I can offer about the swallowing instead of chewing, because Wyatt Ray woofs his food down without chewing all the time. I say, run with it. As long as she is eating that’s great. You may want to try a slow feeder bowl to keep her from inhaling her food.

As for the panting. Well good, glad you’re taking all the precautions. I remember how Jerry would often pant more at night, and all I could think of was that it was the activity of the day catching up to him (no matter how minor it was in our eyes, to a new amputee, anything is a lot of work). Keep an eye on it and keep your vet in the loop.

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Just one more thought on the panting.   It simply  could be, inpart, that maube Belle is used to laying on one particular side  and in one particular  position  more than the other.  To not be able to take her “normal” comfy psition for nighttime sleeping  could be causing  her a little panting discomfort. or low level stress panting.    Conversely,  maybe she’s  trying to lay on her stump side and that’s  causing  the panting. I think  it took my Happy around five weeks before  she  comfortably slept on her stump side.  Most dogs do it a lot sooner than that though!

All that said, and I know you’re  tited of us sayingf this, but it still could be pain related AND THAT IS NOT UNUSUAL   AT  ALL  this early out to still show some discomfort.  Humams would certainly  still be sore at various times during the day or night.  I know your Vet jas said to stop all meds so maybe that’s  what’s  causing the panting…..maybe she has no pain…and maybe that will be the solution.! Hoping so!

Let us know jow tonight goes.    Hoping for good zzzzz’s for everybody😁

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PS….unless she has a sore, or abcess, or something  like that, don’t k ow why her eatjng style changed.  She’s  earing, so that’s  good.  But again,  of you jave any concerns on that or the panting have your Vet check her.

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Just one more thought on the panting.   It simply  could be, inpart, that maube Belle is used to laying on one particular side  and in one particular  position  more than the other.  To not be able to take her “normal” comfy psition for nighttime sleeping  could be causing  her a little panting discomfort. or low level stress panting.  

sad precisely about your thoughts, i noticed Belle “nesting” in circles over and over during the night,  and her panting was bad. I also think that she is missing her paw. 🙁   

Crossing fingers for tonight.

Ps: eating habits? I will check Wyatt Rays woofs. I thought maybe the meds would ‘loosen the muscles’.-but its not that she never swallowed without chewing, but that occured with special treats ..not with the knibbles! Maybe she is just becoming lazy…

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Very little panting during the day today so far. It happened last night -in the middle of it and we cannot find any pattern or association.

Her vet recommended to stop all medications tomorrow onwards to see if its the side effects.

The other thing we noticed after amp. is that she doesn’t seem to chew her food but swallows it instead (even the knibbles or pieces of cucumber or carrot as an example) It has improved over the days but i am still not happy with that. Any similar experience?  

A couple of things come to mind here.  The panting thing is so tough to figure out – it could be meds, but in our specific experience, only Prednisone has had that impact.  I was convinced when Pofi started the Gabapentin pre-amp that it was causing him to pant – and my vet said we could try dialing it back, but panting, which was a sign of discomfort for him, immediately got much worse and instead we increased and he did much better.  He was never truly dopey despite the meds, except after GA.  But again, my dog and our experience.

Pofi’s nerve sheath tumor was clearly larger and more “diffuse” – it had reached the point of having “tentacles” that spread in multiple directions.  As you know, the nerves reach into muscle and muscle atrophy of the triceps is an indicator. It is not just the fact the dog is trying not to bear weight on that leg that causes the atrophy of muscle – it is the cancer. One of the things we learned just pre-op was that muscle atrophy was more extensive – the diaphragm muscles on that left side of the body were impacted and were not going to recover. They could see that in the imaging – so left lung – left side of this system did not work as well as right.  I asked if that was going to impact him in exercise and play – she said she would be concerned if he were running marathons. I personally believe, however, it was more impactful than that. It was nothing alarming, but I think the detriment was just more apparent when he was running or walking or warm.

Immediately post amp, Pofi also had sort of a droop to his left eye and his second eyelid seemed like it would not open fully – you could see it a little when he was awake and alert.  It made me really said when I inquired and the surgeon said it was probably a permanent side effect of the damage from the tumor itself and damage to the nervous system in removing it. She talked again about how much soft tissue is removed and how complex the nervous system is.  It was not uncommon for the NST in this location to be radiating out in different directions including up the neck and toward the face and jaw.  For whatever reason, this was not permanent for Pofi – his eye looked normal again in a few days and lids operated normally.  In the last few days of his life though, when the NST was back in his spine, that slightly altered appearance and lazy inner eyelid seemed to be back.  

So I wonder if the swallowing could be an impact of the tumor and removal – some nerves might not be fully functioning or there might be some atrophy of muscles in the neck, esophagus.  And it might be temporary – some nerves repair their own damage over a period of weeks.

Just thought I’d share these specific NST experiences – may or may not be in play with Belle.

heartto your pretty girl.

Lisa, Minneapolis

On October 27, 2016, nearly 6 months after amputation, and 18 months since his cancer likely started, we lost Pofi to a recurrence of Soft Tissue Sarcoma in his spine quite suddenly.  His Daddy and I miss him terribly along with his canine sister, Mia, and two feline siblings, Lucia and Cliff.

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