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tick protection: "liquid droppers", collars (Scalibor)?
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30 March 2013 - 10:32 am
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I'll put it right out there: there is no way we can NOT use something for ticks.  We live about 30min away from Lyme, CT and ticks are awful here.  Jackson is a black dog, with a double coat.  It's impossible to search for ticks 3-4x a day.  We've always used Interceptor, which our vet says that of all the "liquid" droppers out there, this is one of the safer options b/c very little, if any, are systemically absorbed.  Hmmm?  Then, I saw this new collar: Scalibor (it's prescription, not a buy-at-Target kinda thing).  Its active ingredient is 4% Deltamethrin.  Unfortunately, it's a "one size fits all", but for a 60lb dog, I suspect Jackson falls right into the middle.  I have been told that the flea/tick collars of "old" are nothing like the "new" ones, such as Scalibor.  With Jackson's cancer, we obviously want to choose the safest option, but realize herbal/natural are probably no match for CT's tick population.  Anyone heard of or tried Scalibor?  I like that it's a collar rather than a liquid to be dropped onto the skin.  It makes me think a collar delivery method is less risky than the liquid dropped onto their skin.

Thoughts?

~ Katy

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ACL tear in right hind leg 12/5/12 and scheduled ACL repair surgery 12/21/12. Pre-op xrays revealed osteosarcoma. Amputation 12/28/12.  Chemo (carboplatin) started Jan 10, 2013 and ended on April 5, for a total of 5 doses. He handled carbo like a champ!  No side effects.  We started metronomic therapy at his third chemo and have been also doing some holistic treatments.  He's a lively, playful 10 year old huskie-boarder collie and a very proud member of the Winter Warriors!  Our love. Our funny little guy!

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30 March 2013 - 11:27 am
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Oh I feel for you! I'm not finding a lot of reviews about it but this one stood out on the BC Forums

I had considered using the Scalibor collars for tick prevention this year for my dogs because they go swimming almost daily in the warm weather and they are actually more economical than the Advantix I have been using up to this point. However, after reading many reviews online about Scalibor, I decided against the collars because they are useless in preventing fleas. Even my vet told me that I would have to use something like Advantage to protect against the fleas and I was unwilling to "double dose" my dogs.
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Jackson's vet assured me many, many times that being on Sentinel (flea & heartworm protection - an oral, monthly pill) and Parastar (tick protection - liquid dropper, monthly) are the two least (if at all) systemically absorbed drugs out there.  For a pet with a cancer diagnosis, these are great options.  For dogs with other compromised immune systems, these are great options.  The Scalibor collar wasn't something she'd want Jackson on - there is more absorption with that product.  We're holding off on the Lyme vaccine, as I know from previous years, Parastar does a darn good (and gross) job at killing ticks.  I'd love to not have to give him anything for ticks, but alas, we live in CT.

ACL tear in right hind leg 12/5/12 and scheduled ACL repair surgery 12/21/12. Pre-op xrays revealed osteosarcoma. Amputation 12/28/12.  Chemo (carboplatin) started Jan 10, 2013 and ended on April 5, for a total of 5 doses. He handled carbo like a champ!  No side effects.  We started metronomic therapy at his third chemo and have been also doing some holistic treatments.  He's a lively, playful 10 year old huskie-boarder collie and a very proud member of the Winter Warriors!  Our love. Our funny little guy!

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I have seen good results with the Scalibor collar, but I do not know what kind of absorption takes place and what kind of concerns there would be with an immune compromised animal. The best thing to do is to zip-tie the tick collar to the inside of the dog's regular collar. One thing about the collar is that it takes 1 to 3 weeks to reach maximum effect, and then it is supposed to kill ticks withing 24 hours. My issue is that under no circumstances do I leave my dog in his kennel with his collar on (I have seen more than one dog strangle itself to death and I am a huge advocate because many people do not even know that it can happen), SO I do not know if it changes the effectiveness by taking the collar on and off. The dogs that it works well for wear their collars all the time. Also client reviews seem to agree that the collar is not very effective against fleas. Something you may want to look into is Certifect (http://www.cert.....fault.aspx) It is a newer product marketed by Frontline that is effective against fleas, and has even more protection against ticks than Frontline Plus. Once again, I would check with your vet about what kind of absorption takes place and make sure that it is safe for your pet. All the clients that get Certifect say that it works wonderfully, and as with Frontline we see very few problems/reactions with it. When we do see a reaction it is a skin irritation that resolves on its own. One bad thing about Certifect is that it STINKS really bad for a day or so after you put it on. Some people actually stop using it because it smells so bad. Good luck with your search for the best product!

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Thanks!  Good tips.  Jackson also goes "naked" when inside our home, so the collar wouldn't work.  Have you read about Sentinel?  It's pretty cool stuff.  For flea protection it's essentially flea birth control, killing arthropods with chitin (=exoskeletons).

ACL tear in right hind leg 12/5/12 and scheduled ACL repair surgery 12/21/12. Pre-op xrays revealed osteosarcoma. Amputation 12/28/12.  Chemo (carboplatin) started Jan 10, 2013 and ended on April 5, for a total of 5 doses. He handled carbo like a champ!  No side effects.  We started metronomic therapy at his third chemo and have been also doing some holistic treatments.  He's a lively, playful 10 year old huskie-boarder collie and a very proud member of the Winter Warriors!  Our love. Our funny little guy!

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11 April 2013 - 7:09 pm
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Sentinel is JUST coming back on the market, their company had an issue on their human side and had to shut down production. A lot of people do love it and it should be available as soon as your vet orders it. The only problem is Sentinel doesn't do anything for ticks :-(

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11 April 2013 - 7:40 pm
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I'm so glad I logged in tonight.  I've been struggling with this issue as well.  We HAVE to have tick protection as our dogs go out into the park every day, sniffing through the long grass and such.  Since her amp, Libby has spent a lot of time laying in the tall grass.  I stumbled on this thread just in time.  

Katy, are you getting this (Sentinal & Parastar) from your vet or have you found a super site to get it cheaper? :)

Liberty (Libby) was diagnosed with OSA on 1-22-13.  Right front amputation on 1-31-13. No IV Chemo. Metronomic Therapy started 2-19-13 along with supplements and some home cooking. Lungs clear until 1-06-14.  She's still her happy, hoppy, bossy self.  Living the dog life to the fullest and a proud Winter Warrior. :) RIP my Libby 4-21-03 to 3-19-14

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11 April 2013 - 8:03 pm
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From the Vet.

The appalling thing, is that with Jackson's exam yesterday, they found roundworms in his poop sample!  WHA?!  He's been on anti-heartworm (which is a broad spectrum antiparasite...protection against roundworms) since puppyhood.  He last had a fecal test a year ago (results = clean), meaning he picked them up within the year.  How'd that happen?!  I always thought a fecal exam was just a dumb waste of money for folks like me b/c I never let J go without his heartworm med.  Guess not!  I gotta ask my vet again HOW he got these worms if he'd been "protected" all this time.  In case you're wondering, now as an adult, there are pills to treat this infestation.  Two, actually, taken 3 weeks apart...$25/each.  Grrrr.

Anyway, he got his Parastar today.  Die ticks.  Die.

~ Katy

ACL tear in right hind leg 12/5/12 and scheduled ACL repair surgery 12/21/12. Pre-op xrays revealed osteosarcoma. Amputation 12/28/12.  Chemo (carboplatin) started Jan 10, 2013 and ended on April 5, for a total of 5 doses. He handled carbo like a champ!  No side effects.  We started metronomic therapy at his third chemo and have been also doing some holistic treatments.  He's a lively, playful 10 year old huskie-boarder collie and a very proud member of the Winter Warriors!  Our love. Our funny little guy!

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12 April 2013 - 5:57 am
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I don't know how a dog gets ringworm but could it have anything to do with his weekend adventure in the woods a few weeks ago?

Liberty (Libby) was diagnosed with OSA on 1-22-13.  Right front amputation on 1-31-13. No IV Chemo. Metronomic Therapy started 2-19-13 along with supplements and some home cooking. Lungs clear until 1-06-14.  She's still her happy, hoppy, bossy self.  Living the dog life to the fullest and a proud Winter Warrior. :) RIP my Libby 4-21-03 to 3-19-14

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12 April 2013 - 8:28 pm
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Roundworms are the most common intestinal parasite in dogs. There are two ways that Jackson could have gotten them: 1) He ate poop, or grass that had at one point had poop on it from an animal that had roundworms 2) He are a mouse or some other rodent that was carrying roundworms. Unfortunately, no medication is 100% effective, 100% of the time, which is how he may have gotten them even though he was on prevention. Also, it is possible that his last fecal test was "negative" but he still had an internal parasite. This is possible because what we see in the fecal test is the parasite's eggs. It is possible that the parasite(s) did not shed any eggs in the one sample that was checked. I'm not sure how the vet hospital that you go to handles fecal tests, but if the do in-house testing, rather than sending specimens out to a lab, human error could result in a false negative. If the sample was checked in the vet office by an inexperience technician, or someone in a rush, they could have missed an egg.

On a gross note: You can get roundworms from Jackson. They do not mature in the human like they do in the dog, instead they migrate into the lungs and/or skin. Symptoms include coughing and/or skin rash. If a young child contracts roundworms it can even lead to blindness.

Anyway: Do a "poop patrol" of your yard and pick up any feces. For the next few months you should also pick up any new feces that Jackson produces. Always practice good hand washing after clean up to prevent possible human transmission.

 

One question: What heartworm prevention is Jackson on? All heartworm preventions that I know of are guaranteed if you are getting it from your vet, and the vet can send the company the records that show that you have been buying the amount you needed and not missing doses. Your vet should help you with contacting the manufacturer, because with the proper paperwork, they will reimburse you for the cost of the dewormings. The products are NOT guaranteed through the manufacturer if you get them from 1-800-pet-meds and online sites like that, and the companies that make the product will not reimburse you for anything. Some of the online pharmacies have their own guarantees for products, so you would have to deal with the actual website to try to get a reimbursement.

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13 April 2013 - 5:41 am
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Hi Heather, thanks for the note!  You corroborate what our vet said.  I, in fact, called her yesterday, frankly, pissed.  Jackson has been on Sentinel for more than a year.  Before that, Interceptor.  And before that, Heartguard.  We're super organized here and so Jackson has been getting his meds every 4 weeks - ok, sometimes a day or two late, but NEVER a missed dose.  On Monday I'll be bringing in fresh poop to confirm there wasn't a mix-up in the back and to give Novartis the latest results.  The vet is surprised, too, as she knows we're on top of J's meds.  So we'll see and if anything, have Novartis pay for the de-worming.  My main concern was: it seems clear that Sentinel didn't work, so why continue to use it with him?!  We'll see...

So right now, he's not on a dewormer and still on Sentinel.  We'll start the dewormer as soon as his second fecal confirms infection (Monday?).  Then, we'll send off records to Novartis.  Luckily, Jackson's poops are great - no change.  Again, another reason for me to be stunned about all this!  But I clearly want to get him dewormed (if required), as he's going through enough!  Poor guy.

As for hygiene, thankfully for the area dogs, we live in a place where Jackson is always leash walked.  We pick up his poop 100% of the time (I cannot say that about most other owners in the area...it's so gross this time of year!).  So at least his (contaminated?) poop isn't littering the area.  I stared as his poop this AM and didn't see any moving worms, but then again I have NO idea what I'm looking for.

This is quite a crappy mystery (hahaha!) and I look forward to Monday's results and seeing what Novartis will do.  $50 to solve a problem that shouldn't have been, just isn't right.

~ Katy

ACL tear in right hind leg 12/5/12 and scheduled ACL repair surgery 12/21/12. Pre-op xrays revealed osteosarcoma. Amputation 12/28/12.  Chemo (carboplatin) started Jan 10, 2013 and ended on April 5, for a total of 5 doses. He handled carbo like a champ!  No side effects.  We started metronomic therapy at his third chemo and have been also doing some holistic treatments.  He's a lively, playful 10 year old huskie-boarder collie and a very proud member of the Winter Warriors!  Our love. Our funny little guy!

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13 April 2013 - 8:54 am
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I definitely understand your frustration, I would feel the same way. With roundworms you most likely will not see the actual worms in the stool. Usually you only see that in kittens and puppies that have a major population of the parasite. Again, because what is seen in the fecal is the parasite's eggs, I would still be wary if the new fecal test comes up negative. If the new test does come up negative I would consider testing once more to make absolutely sure that the dewormer isn't necessary (or just do the dewormer to be safe if Novartis will still pay for it with the one positive fecal). I know this also depends on if and how much the vet is charging you for these retests. I'm not sure if your vet carries it or not, and how comparable the price is to Sentinel, but have you heard of Trifexis? If you are planning on switching products, Trifexis is also a pill and it does all the same things as Sentinel, the way the flea prevention works is just a little different.


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I would also like to mention that maybe this last test was a false positive.  In our part of the country the pollen is out in force and many times pollen can look perfectly round like a roundworm egg.  We have charts available so the more inexperienced techs can see the size difference but sometimes the samples get sent to the lab rather than read in house just to be more accurate.

Pam

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Wow Pam thanks! We don't do any in house fecal testing at the practice I work at now so I totally forgot about that! I remember when I first started, the practice did all in house fecals, and yes, pollen could easily have been mistaken by someone inexperienced as a roundworm egg.

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13 April 2013 - 5:56 pm
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Great ideas, ladies!  I'll find a polite way of bringing that up on Monday.  I don't think pollen has gotten crazy here yet, though.  We'll see!

~ Katy

ACL tear in right hind leg 12/5/12 and scheduled ACL repair surgery 12/21/12. Pre-op xrays revealed osteosarcoma. Amputation 12/28/12.  Chemo (carboplatin) started Jan 10, 2013 and ended on April 5, for a total of 5 doses. He handled carbo like a champ!  No side effects.  We started metronomic therapy at his third chemo and have been also doing some holistic treatments.  He's a lively, playful 10 year old huskie-boarder collie and a very proud member of the Winter Warriors!  Our love. Our funny little guy!

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