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Virginia



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4 August 2023 - 11:40 am
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      PS....Love that she mastered " breaking through varries" to get upstairs  (even if the thunder motivated her). That's a good metaphor for her.  Keep breaking down those barriers sweet girl!😎    

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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Hello all. I’ve been off the site for the past week. Work and trying to spend as much quality time with Ophelia that i can. Figured I’d update this afternoon.  

Ophelia seems to be doing really well adjusting to three legs (knock on wood). She still tired much easier than before amputation but that is to be expected and her endurance is improving all of the time.  I’ve driven her over to her favorite part of our old, normal, walk a few times now. It’s by a sports bar that is probably 8 blocks/quarter mile from my home.  She loves one of the bartenders there and gets to meet new people walking in and out. The past two times that I’ve driven her over there she has wanted to walk all the way home.  And she’s done great.  I’ll post a video below of her just cruising.  I could barely keep up the other night!  

I took her to another vet hospital here in Denver to visit with an oncologist who has been around for years and has a background in immunology. You may recall that i had emailed a researcher at CSU a few weeks ago.  He responded and recommended that i make an appointment with this specific oncologist.  Turns out that it’s his wife. Lol.  He is the researcher who has worked on the Losartan combo with (forget the name of the other drug).  Anyway, the visit with the second oncologist went well.  She knew a lot more about the science behind all of this than Ophelia’s current oncologist.  So she answered lingering questions that i had about ELIAS vaccine more than anything.  She also recommended that i skip the third chemo treatment and move immediately to the vaccine.  So that is what we did.  Ophelia was suppose to get her third dose of chemo on Wednesday but i emailed the doctor the day before and told her that i wanted to begin ELIAS. So Ophelia has had her first vaccine injection and her second is this week.  

i also learned that i can have a sample of Ophelia’s tumor sent to a place called Fidocure where they will analyze it to see if it has any specific mutations that may be susceptible to special targeted treatments.  And if not, i can follow the ELIAS vaccine treatment with the Losartan combo.  So that’s the plan right now. 

It’s easy to forget that Ophelia is so sick when she is almost back to her old self.  That is probably another reason that I’ve not been here lately. It’s a harsh reminder.  But, i have been planning for the inevitable end, ie, euthanasia.  Don’t get me wrong, I’m optimistic and still have the mindset that we will beat this, but i think that it’s best to be prepared.  So i contacted a holistic vet that used to come to the house to give acupuncture to Ophelia’s sister several years ago.  She also does in home euthanasia.  The plan is that she will begin giving Ophelia acupuncture treatments every 2-3 weeks at the house, and when it’s time, she will perform the euthanasia.  It is really important to me that Ophelia is familiar with and LIKES the person who does that. Getting the acupuncture treatments going will establish her relationship with this vet.  

We did the casting for the prosthetic leg which was an absolute pain. But it’s done and sent back to the company so that they can begin building her new leg. We are probably still 4-6 weeks away from having it and then it will take time getting her to use it and be proficient with it.  🤞 

As always, thanks for the support. The value of this site is immeasurable.  Really.  Here are some videos.  🙂

Virginia



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13 August 2023 - 8:41 pm
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Michael, thanks  so much for uour update and for sharing, yet again, so much vauable information  on the path forward you are taking and why..  We all learn so much from each other.

"Interes4ing" about the connection  between the VSU Researcher  and the Oncologist!  Great teamwork in every sense.

And goodness gracious, no worries about not posting "frequently".  We understand!  Shhhh....  selfishly though seeing g pictures and video of Ophelia  always puts a big grin on my face.  She is so sweet and gentle  amd the bond between you two is just beautiful. 

In addition to the great videos, the best part of uour post was hearing how well Opjellia is doing.  Love, love love teadi g about the visits to the bar and all jer friends.  She is sich a RockStar.  And the fact she wanted to walk all that distance home...quite impressive!!!.

Okay, gotta go watch the videos again.  Makes me so happy!!!  She really was strong and focused on her walk home.  She jas a really solid gait that flows beautifully.   And she is soooo relaxed listening  to the music while gently  guiding g your hand if you stopped petting  her. Such an adored girl who adores you back.

Hugs 

Sally and Alumni Happy Hannah and Merry Myrtle and Frankie too!

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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14 August 2023 - 2:29 pm
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Thanks for the videos! I loved watching Ophelia moving along toward home. She seems very strong, and such great ear flopping!  I think it's almost easier for them to move a bit faster, the momentum does some of the work. Her movements look just like Nick's.

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15 August 2023 - 2:11 pm
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Just had a chance to check in and wow, she looks fantastic! And so chatty too! I'll bet the neighborhood bar is happy to have her back. Life sounds good for you two, yay!

Michael you've really come so far since you first joined us. I'm so impressed! Instead of letting the hard emotions paralyze you, you have taken the reigns and done all your homework, met and interviewed some of the best oncologists in the world (seriously, they are), and then made decisions that are not easy (especially about preparing for end of life care) but are ensuring she has the best quality of life possible. WOW! BRAVO! smiley_clap

I hope everything goes great with the latest treatments. Please keep us posted, and entertained with your chatty, sassy, and oh sooooo sweet Tripawd Warrior Princess!

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18 August 2023 - 11:43 am
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I love her!  Those videos are great.  It’s so cute how she paws you to keep petting her.  My female Great Pyrenees does that too. 

It sounds like you’ve really been making the most of the time with her and I’m so happy she’s doing so well.  

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Quick update.  Ophelia is doing really well (knock on wood). She’s had two rounds of chemo and two injections of the vaccine up to this point.  She is scheduled for a procedure called apheresis on August 30th. It’s an all day procedure that does carry some risk, so I’m a little nervous about it. Apheresis is where they run all of the blood in her body through a machine to remove her T cells. That is a very rudimentary description.  The T cells are then sent to Elias for whatever they do to “supercharge” them. Then Ophelia has to go through another procedure to have them reintroduced onto her body.  That last step is actually the riskiest part because the immune system is angry for lack of a better word.  And the supercharged T cells are aggressively looking for cancer cells to destroy.  At least theoretically.  Fingers crossed that it works and she is safe.  

Ophelia and i took our trip to Vail this weekend. This is something that we do on the Fourth of July but we had to cancel this year due to the amputation.  She’s had a blast.  And I’m SO proud of her. She just amazes me more and more every day.  I’ll let the videos tell the story.  Sorry if overloading everyone on Ophelia.  I am just really proud of her for working so hard to adjust to this change in her life.  Everyone can learn a lesson on perseverance from these animals.  They’re amazing. 

 

And these only cover the first 72 hours!  😂

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23 August 2023 - 1:17 pm
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WOOHOO! What a weekend! She had quite an adventure, lucky girl. I loved watching her lay in the creek and enjoying the cool water. What a beautiful reunion with her favorite place. Thank you for sharing all the little snippets of your awesome getaway.

Michael, would you mind chiming in to this new member's post? She's looking for some guidance from folks whose dogs have gone through amp, chemo, and immunotherapy:

https://tripawd.....teosarcoma

Thank you so much!

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25 August 2023 - 11:23 pm
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Sure thing Jerry. I responded. I don’t know how helpful it is though.

I am curious if anyone has talked about using Fidocure on any of these threads?  It’s a cutting edge targeted treatment. The company analyzes tumor tissue for specific mutations. Many mutations have shown to be particularly susceptible to certain drugs. So they tell you what unique mutations are found in the tissue sample and then recommend targeted treatment.  

I am also curious about a mushroom supplement called “I’m Unity”.  It is a Chinese supplement (or maybe Korean) that was studied at the University of Pennsylvania for hemangiosarcoma.  It had amazing results for that form of cancer.  They haven’t studied it on others from what i can tell but the reviews from users say that it’s helped dogs with many different types. I am just curious if anyone here has used it with any level of success.  

here is a video of Ophelia. She’s such a sweet girl. I loved her so much before all of this, but now i am learning just how amazing that she is as she goes through all of this. Her continued happiness in the face of her illness, amputation, and general aging is an absolute inspiration. She just loves the world and being alive. 

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26 August 2023 - 10:29 am
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Of course I had ti look at the video first and immediately  smooch her precious mug through the screen!  The love she jas for you, and you for her, comes through  so clearly.  Yes, this journey peels back layers of wonderfulness in our dogs that just wasn't  as visible to is before.

 Yunnan Baiyao is the Chinese herb  that is touted as being  effective for some cancers, especially  hermangisarcoma.  I do believe some Bets, and/or Holistic Bets use this for Osteo, but not sure.

Now whether.   Has the same properties  or is another name for Yunnan Baiyao,  I couldn't  tell you.

I personally  know of a friend whose  dog had Hermangisarcoma.   Her regular Bet suggested  Yunnan Baiyao.  Her dog did get extended quality  time beyond what the "prognosis " was.  She and the Vet  believe yhat is what made the difference..

Give sweet Ophelia an extra treat, or seven, for me, okay?

Hugs

Sally and Alumni Happy Hannah and Merry Myrtle and Frankie too!

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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26 August 2023 - 3:31 pm
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Thank you for responding to her, Michael.

LOVE the close up of Ophelia!!

Fidocure hasn't been a huge topic around here, as these Forum search results show. But here's a video from Morris Animal Foundation that mentions it:

If you decide to look into it further, feel free to start a new topic and let us know more.

I'm Yunity has been around for a while, lots of folks have used it (see these Forums search results). Can't vouch for the success or not, but it's one of those things where you just never know. The study results were sure good but I'm not sure any other org has done more research. Also see this post from a while back: https://nutriti.....iosarcoma/

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Thanks Sally.  Thank Jerry.  That info and thar video was helpful.  That video was particularly interesting because it covered a variety of topics. 

i am leaning towards have the genetic analysis conducted by Fidocure and seeing what, if any, targeted therapy they end up recommending.  I don’t have to commit to the actual treatment part before I do that so i don’t see the harm of finding out.  I’ll post about it of course if i do. 

Right now though I’m have issues with the treating oncologist.  I received a voice message from CASE vet hospital notifying me that she (the oncologist) was no longer at CASE because she had left to pursue other opportunities.  When i called them back i was told that she left for personal reasons.  They just assigned Ophelia’s treatment to a new oncologist that doesn’t even begin until tomorrow (Monday). I have no idea if she has any experience with the ELIAS vaccine or how much experience that she has in general. Needless to say, I’m not very happy about this development at all. It certainly doesn’t give me much confidence in their continued treatment of Ophelia. I get that things happen, people take other jobs, or go through personal problems, but the way that they treated it as nonchalantly as they did really upset me. 

Especially concerning is that Ophelia has the two most involved treatment steps for ELIAS this coming Wednesday and the following Wednesday.  Aphorisis this Wednesday where they sedate her and remove the T cells from her blood and then send them to the ELIAS lab in KC, and then reintroducing the T cells after “supercharging” them through their process.  The reintroduction step is a little risky because it can cause a dog’s immune system to react very strongly causing cytokine storm.  Which can be life threatening if it happens.  So that has me really worried right now.  

They know that I’m not happy and their response wasn’t very comforting either.  They told “well, you don’t have to do it”… 🤦🏻‍♂️.  As i told them, i don’t have much of a choice at this point.  Ophelia is committed to the ELIAS treatment, she has already had the two vaccine injections and has foregone the final two chemo treatments.  

Anyway, i pretty much demanded that they get me in to speak with the new oncologist tomorrow. That appointment is at 2:30.  Either way, i dont see that i have any options at least until the ELIAS protocol is completed.  

Virginia



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28 August 2023 - 9:38 am
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Oh gosh!!  Cannot imagine  your frustration, anger and disappoint  all wrapped up I to one!  And add the uncertainty  and doubts you have starting with a " new" Oncologist...awful, just awful!!  And let me add the snarky remark about "you don't  have to do it"....WOW!

I am sooooo sorry this has happened .  Can only hope the appointment  tomorrow is ....hmmm.....I guess the word would be "successful" . And add reassuringly positive!

((((((((((Hugs)))))))))

Sally and Alumni Happy Hannah and Merry Myrtle and Frankie too!

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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28 August 2023 - 11:18 am
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Michael I'm so sorry, that is really a gut-punch. When the front line employees don't take into consideration the emotions of clients who are in the middle of such a major (and expensive) treatment is definitely not cool. I would give it a few days to get your thoughts together, maybe even next week, then let their practice manager or client liaison if they have one know your thoughts how this was handled.

I hope your appointment goes well and this oncologist is even better than the previous one. Write down your questions ahead of time, take a deep breath, and know that pawsitivity is the best medicine for Ophelia. 

Keep us posted OK?

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Michael, I'm so sorry that you and Ophelia went through this. Completely understand about how casual staff  members of large institutions are about passing on information that is so important to a cherished dog! (Although in OSU's case, the phone tree screws up, the residents recite their memorized information, I never see the oncologist, and the nice front desk people apologize.) Anyway you are doing all you can and need to keep cheerful for your sweet girl. I hope the new oncologist is just the person you both need right now. Suzanne and Nicholas.

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