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8.5 year old 60lb Boxer/Husky mix- forelimb amputation
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9 January 2021 - 8:33 pm
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Meet Clover.  She's my life.  

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Clover developed a limp on the stairs six months ago.  We thought maybe she was a little arthritic and just helped her there, and continued her daily 3+ mile walk/runs after a rest period when the vet told us they couldn't even spot it.  Then, in November, we noticed the swelling in her left forelimb.  By the elbow.  That location has been a source of endless confusion for us, our vet, and both the oncologists who we have worked with since.  It didn't help that our vet overlaid the radius and ulna too closely in the front view image of the X-ray they took when we circled the swelling in wax marker because I was insistent there was a problem.  

We were told "possible osteosarcoma- but placement wrong."     

We went to an oncology specialist for FNA cytology.  And that failed too.  Osteosarcoma is supposed to be readily aspirated, but we got blood, a few well differentiated cells, and no matrix.  We also got an xray that stopped my heart.  When I saw it, all hope that this was something benign, a one-in-a-million fungal infection, anything other than what it so clearly is, left me.  There was nothing left to do but act.

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I asked them to do a second chest three-view and abdominal ultrasound, all clean.  So no metastasis.  As I'm a little bit crazy person, I asked them to check a lump on her hip as well--nope, just a cyst.   

I'm not a vet, nor a doctor, but I am capable of learning, and I've done my homework.  I understand how serious this is.  We were advised by the first oncologist to seek a bone biopsy.    I went to a facility that could do it, and provided them the imaging we'd done so far.  I hand picked this facility because of their ongoing immunotherapy clinical trials. 

Ten minutes into her visit, the oncologist calls me.  "So, I hear you want a biopsy."  "I was told to get one, yes."  "Well now I'm telling you not to."  We went through the realistic differentials and their treatments.  All circle back to amputation as step one of any curative therapy, or radiation for palliative (which would be unsafe if we biopsied).  I always knew why we came there.  I asked the burning question.  "Are there slots left in the trial."  Yes.

One very difficult conversation with my wife later we've done our paperwork.  Clover donates her left leg to science on Wednesday, and hopefully begins the treatment that buys her more than just one more year a few weeks after. 

Last night, that cyst on her hip bothered poor Clover a bit too much.  She bit it and ripped it off.  I've been trying my best to keep her from licking it, and have been cleaning it repeatedly. So far no infection, monday I am able to be seen by our local vet and address it, presumably with antibiotics. 

The burning fear that is going to consume me over the next year is whether we are asking too much of our girl.  We want her to have the best quality of life possible, but we selfishly want the most quantity too.   What's coming is going to hurt, and if the interim between her full recovery from surgery and recurrence of the disease isn't good enough, I doubt I'll ever forgive myself.

A few questions.

Will being on antibiotics necessitate adjustment of Clover's surgery schedule?  

Will we be better off slinging her with a towel to get up and down the steps to go outside our house, or using a harness?

What's the right level of elevation to provide for her food bowl?  

How do I get her into my car the day we come home from the hospital?  

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9 January 2021 - 11:31 pm
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Jason and Clover, welcome. Your future posts won’t need approval so post away. What a tough situation you guys have been in, I’m so sorry!

I apologize for the brief response but I will write more in the AM, just wanted to make sure you got approved so others can chime in.

I’m honestly not sure about the antibiotics but I’m going to guess taking them won’t delay surgery since she will get them anyways for the amputation.

As for stairs, how many do you have? 

Food bowls should be just under shoulder height roughly. The Tripawds Gear blog has a post about that, I’ll find it for you tomorrow.

what kind of car do you have? Most dogs get right in with a little help.

More tomorrow! Stay strong!

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10 January 2021 - 12:09 am
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Two relatively low stone steps to let her out front, six steeper ones for the back yard (we've been using mostly the front and expect to continue until she's relatively comfortable post-op).  We also have about 20 to get up to the bedroom, not sure if/when she'll be able to do that, I expect it'll probably always be safer for me to carry her down from that when we resume sleeping up there a month from now.  

My car is a corolla, and there's an added ~3" to her ascent for the ortho bed I have set up in the back for her.

We've had bad luck with the genetics lotto.  Our other dog has severe IVDD and had a hemilaminectomy in 2019 (he feels great now and we are treating him as Mr. Glass forevermore).  We have a small set of stairs that we use to let him climb up into bed with us without risking another disk extrusion--is that a viable tool for letting Clover get into the car?  

Thanks very much for your help in assembling links to the info I need!

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10 January 2021 - 1:33 pm
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You sound like wonderful parents! You're thinking about all the right things.

Yes, focus on using the front steps for now. Most Tripawds can handle them without any issues. The back steeper ones could be a safety issue later even after she is healed. If you can get some grippy outdoor traction tape to apply to them now before she surprises you one day and bolts outside, that would be ideal. A baby gate at the top would also be a good safety precaution.

Are your indoor stairs carpeted or not? One of the reasons we discovered the Ruffwear Webmaster harness for our Jerry, was we also had 20 indoor steps he had to navigate. With the handle on the harness, we could assist him and there was no risk to him slipping or falling. While Clover is recuperating, keep the stairs gated off. You can also try using a harness on her to help her if she has a fit about having to stay downstairs.  A lot of people will sleep down stairs with their recuperating Tripawd to make life easier.

As for the car, yeah you could try the steps when she comes home from the clinic. Once she is recovered, the Ruffwear Webmaster and Flagline harnesses are suuuuuper helpful to aid a dog getting in and out of the car (as long as her incision is healed, you don't want the straps irritating the tender area). Steps are good and so are ramps, but if Clover won't use them (many dogs have such poor depth perception they are afraid of ramps), then that's wasted money. The harness gives you the power to assist her in and out. 

I hope this helps! Any other questions, just bark.

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26 January 2021 - 12:14 am
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Update:

Clover handled surgery well, and as of T+10 she is mostly getting up on her own when it's time to go outside.  Otherwise we've kept her laying down, receiving constant attention.  But today we got quite the surprise.  We had assumed--rationally--that what she had was osteosarcoma.

We were wrong.  It was chondrosarcoma, a vastly preferable diagnosis.  Histopathology indicated grade I, so very likely the surgery was curative.  I am incredibly relieved--both that we were proven right to amputate (as that is the only treatment for chondrosarcoma) and that she won't have to suffer through chemo/immunotherapy, we're just done!

I am so, so happy, and looking forward to many more years with my girl.

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26 January 2021 - 3:57 am
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That's really good news.

I can relate as my cat turned out to have a type of cancer where the amputation should be curative (fingers crossed) and you are left in the strange position of thinking how lucky you are even though your pet has had to go through amputation.

  • "what shall be done for these innocents? I have been warned not even to raise the question of animal immortality, lest I find myself “in company with all the old maids”. I have no objection to the company" - C S Lewis (The Problem of Pain)
  • "Mr Toplady was touched by the cruelty of the scene, and exclaimed, ' Who could bear to see that sight, if there were not to be some compensation for these poor suffering animals in a future state' 'I certainly hope,' said my grandfather, ' that all the bulls will go to heaven; but do you think this will be the case with all the animal creation' 'Yes, certainly,' replied Mr Toplady, with great emphasis, ' all, all!" - Josiah Bull (recording a meeting with the great A. M. Toplady, author of "Rock of Ages" in "Memorials of the Rev. William Bull of Newport, Pagnel")
  • "Are not five sparrows sold for two pennies? And not one of them is forgotten before God" Luke 12:6
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26 January 2021 - 11:20 am
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WHEW!!

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Yes! That is super duper great news, I'm thrilled that things are going well and you've got a dx for the kind of cancer that doesn't generally misbehave the way osteosarcoma does. WOOOHOOO!!!!

Holler if you need anything OK? We are here for you!

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Gosh!  Just catching  up on the BEAUTIFUL  CLOVER!!!

And catching up in time to sau CONGRATULATIONS on so many levels!!  Surgery is done AND curative!!!!  We love hearing good news around here!!!👏👏

It sounds like Clover is doing well this early in recovery.  Sloooow and easy for now.  You are doing a great job!

And give the lovely Moss Clove and "Mr Glass" a big smooch for us😘

Update when you can and let us know of you jave any questions regarding recovery.

Hugs 

Sally and Alumni Happy Hannah and Merry Myrtle and Frankie too!

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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That is wonderful news 🙂

We made a sling out of a shopping bag, but honestly, Sam never wanted to use it save for the first day or two--and even then he protested. I don't know about your pup, but if she is part husky and has that husky drive 😀 Just barricade your stairs well. Sam was an akita mix, and they...well, they do what they want. Day 3 or 4 post-op, I thought I had an excellent gate blocking our stairs up to the bedroom and was doing a workout in the basement when I heard a ruckus... by the time i got upstairs, I realized Sam had successfully removed all the barricades and hopped up two flights of steps. Funny now...terrifying then 😀 (He was fine. I couldn't get him down alone, so I closed him in the bedroom until my husband and i got him back down together. (And yes, he did learn to go up and down the steps quickly on his own.)

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28 January 2021 - 6:41 pm
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mmrocker13 said

We made a sling out of a shopping bag, but honestly, Sam never wanted to use it save for the first day or two--and even then he protested. I don't know about your pup, but if she is part husky and has that husky drive 😀 Just barricade your stairs well. Sam was an akita mix, and they...well, they do what they want. 

WOAH! Blast from the past! Megan it is wonderful to see you here! Stop by Tripawds Alumni and let us know how you and the pack have been, we would love to catch up.

Everypawdy, you've got to meet Megan's dog Sampson. What a love! 

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