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17.5 y/o Pug Facing Forelimb Amputation
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24 December 2020 - 1:22 am
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Hi and thank you for allowing me to join this site.

I have a sanctuary rescue home for geriatric, special needs and hospice pugs. Currently we are caring for 16 fur babies here.

Zoey is our most recent addition. She is an owner surrender, at 17.5 years old. She came with very longstanding left forelimb lameness and bearing no weight. previous owner had taken over her care as his mom was too ill to care for Zoey any longer, he referred to it as arthritic pain and his vet had recommended euthanasia.

The leg is very painful from halfway between the elbow and carpal joint on down the leg. Even lightly touching it evokes a pain response. Ambulating on hard floors causes her to frequently slip and fall onto the leg causing her to cry out in pain. Our home is equipped with runners and rugs throughout, but she does not always stay on them, so veering off the rugs is disastrous for Zoey. We set her up in a large acrylic pen thickly bedded with blankets so she has footing and if she does fall, the padding breaks her fall and keeps her comfortable. Aside from the issues with her leg, she is in remarkably good condition for a pug of her age. She sees and hears well, is alert and responsive, friendly and sweet and enjoys attention. Eats and drinks well, eliminates fine and has no breathing issues whatsoever. She does have arthritis in the other front leg - and generally, as would be expected in a very old dog.

She saw the orthopedic specialist today and they did an exam and xrays and concluded the elbow joint is frozen and fixed due to arthritic process and the tendons of the carpal joint are contracted due to the posture and long disuse. There is no salvaging the functionality of the leg. He recommends amputation to relieve her of pain. The opposite limb has arthritis, but not severe. He feels she will have some pain, but be comfortable and mobile enough to get around and not fear the severe pain of a fall or bump. Her bloodwork is good, she is in good, lean condition with a thick, luxurious coat that is soft as rabbit fur. Chest xrays were clear and there is no sign of tumors or cancer in her bones or elsewhere. Lungs and heart appear normal size and free of disease.

I had hoped to be able to avoid the major surgical process by a procedure like a rhizotomy; where the nerves supplying the bad leg are severed, permanently disrupting the pain signal, or possibly some other sort of permanent nerve/brachial plexus block procedure which could be performed under light anesthesia and would be much less invasive. The ortho said there were no such procedures available. I did schedule an appointment with a neurosurgeon just to get their input and see if they had any alternative solutions that might work for this baby, however the soonest i could get an appointment was 1/7/21.

Currently she is receiving cannabis oil to control her pain and inflammation and it seems to help nicely as long as she remains in her padded, plexiglass palace. She is also getting Adequan injections, fish oil, DHA, denamarin and Kidney Support Gold.

She has been on three legs for years, and is adapted to a tripod gait, it is more the major surgery and recovery in a super geriatric dog I am concerned with....but I also do not want to leave her in this kind of pain. Is anyone aware of any alternative procedures to eliminate the pain and avoid amputation? Has anyone had experience with amputation at such an advanced age?

I do have a short video showing her walking, but this is my first post and I am not sure how to go about attaching photos or videos.

Thanks in advance to all and have a wonderful Holiday!

Lisa & the Rusty Pugs

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24 December 2020 - 12:16 pm
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Hi Lisa & the Rusty Pugs, welcome! Your future posts won't need to wait for approval so post away.

You are so pawesome for helping these doggies enjoy their senior years! Zoey's situation is challenging for sure but you are the right people to help her enjoy her golden years. It does sound like the bad leg is hindering her mobility and causing pain, so it's good you are getting multiple opinions. To answer your questions:

 Is anyone aware of any alternative procedures to eliminate the pain and avoid amputation? Has anyone had experience with amputation at such an advanced age?

We've only seen therapies like stereotactic radiation therapy used to eliminate bone pain caused by cancer tumors, not arthritis. I'll be curious what the neurologist recommends if you decide to go through with the appointment so please keep us updated on that OK?

Yes, many people come here because their senior dog or cat needs an amputation. What we tell them is to toss the animal's age aside for a minute and look at the whole animal: 

  • Is Zoey otherwise healthy and ready to keep living life? 
  • Is her mobility good except for the bad leg?
  • Does she have the personality to rebound from surgery recovery? In senior pets it often takes longer than a younger dog, but it's not by more than a week or two usually. Plus, if she's already an honorary Tripawd she should be good to go relatively soon.
  • And most importantly, what do you think Zoey wants?

Amputation is major surgery but in the big scheme of things, even the height of the recovery phase (generally 2-3 weeks) is relatively fast considering that the animal is suffering from a painful leg condition that causes more emotional and physical pain over the long term. Hope that makes sense.

Stay tuned for feedback from others. I will make sure our resident TriPug expert sees your post, she'll have some great input for you!

Keep us posted on what you decide to do.

Tripawds Founders Jim and Rene
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24 December 2020 - 3:44 pm
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Hello and welcome.

16 Pugs? That is quite the grumble!  You are doing wonderful work- taking in special needs and older Pugs.  When I adopted my current Pug boy 10 years ago I remember the rescue lady telling me they sometimes get Pugs turned into them becasue they get older and aren't fun anymore... I don't know what is wrong with people.

17.5 years old and in good health? WOW! I've only made it to almost 15 with my second Pug although my current Pug boy is 14.5 now and doing OK.

I don't know of any less invasive procedures that could solve the pain issues, and my two TriPugs were/are both rear amps.  Maggie, my first Pug, lost a leg to cancer at 7.5 years old and lived to be 11.  My current TriPug Elly is actually a Pug mix who lost her leg at 6 months old after being hit by a car, she is now 6 years old.

I've always believed that the actual age isn't as important as how much life there is in the dog and the presence or absence of other conditions.  My Pug girl Tani had a brain injury and severe arthritis and actually wasn't supposed to live much past 8 or 9.  While she made it to almost 15 I would not have considered an amputation for her after she was 11 or so because of her other issues and mobility challenges (she had the same cancer Maggie did but no tumors on her limbs).  Pug Boy Obie is 14.5 and I would have considered amputation for him up to a few months ago even though he has had both knees repaired.  He is pretty wobbly now and I don't think he could deal on three.

Zoey sounds like she is in really great health other than the bum leg.  Even if she only has a few months left in her those months could be pain free after an amp.  I totally get your concern about putting an older Pug through a surgery.  We often see here that older dogs take a bit longer to recover- but Zoey has the advantage of being a virtual Tripawd.  I can tell you that I've been through one amp recovery with Maggie (I adopted Elly as a Tri) and two knee surgeries with Obie and the recovery from the amp was waaaaaay shorter! 

I remember a mini-poodle named James who had a front amp due to OSA when he was 17.  I thought they had a blog but I can't find it and they didn't do many posts, it was 10 years ago.  He did well as I recall.  There are lots of stories in this forum, size and age matters, about older dogs so you might find some inspiration.

Let us know what the neurosurgeon has to offer and how you decide to go forward.

Karen and the Spirit Pug Girls

Tri-pug Maggie survived a 4.5 year mast cell cancer battle only to be lost to oral melanoma.

1999 to 2010

 

              Maggie's Story                  Amputation and Chemo

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24 December 2020 - 7:26 pm
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I just wanted to thank you for what you are doing! You are an awesome human❤

My Beautiful Beloved Brownie was diagnosed with Osteosarcoma on February 26, 2019.  With all odds against him he lived an additional one year and eight days with amputation, love, and prayer.  I was honored to be his mom, and I have never been so proud!  He will live forever in my Heart!

Brownie Bubba Bell

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24 December 2020 - 10:25 pm
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Just a quick additional thought.  Sounds like her pain needs to be addressed with a stronger med.  Ask your Vet if maybe she could be on Gabapentin  until you resolve a path forward.  

You are a Saint.  Thank you for veing you♥️

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!


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24 December 2020 - 11:51 pm
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benny55 said
Just a quick additional thought.  Sounds like her pain needs to be addressed with a stronger med.  Ask your Vet if maybe she could be on Gabapentin  until you resolve a path forward.  

You are a Saint.  Thank you for veing you♥️

  

I do have gabapentin, amantadine, tramadol, buprenorphine and hydrocodone on hand, but she seems to respond best to the cannabis oil. It is not CBD or hemp, but the full extract oil with THC, so it is fairly powerful. I have been using it for about 6-7 years here and once the dosage is titrated for the batch of oil and the individual dogs tolerance there is little better for pain, inflammation, certain types of cancers and certain respiratory issues. I have a friend who makes it for us.

Waiting for the Federal Govt. to remove it from schedule 1 so that real testing can be done to identify all of the many cannabinoids and their roles, usage and limitations in both veterinary and human medicine. Luckily in California it is approved for medical and recreational use. But because it is considered a supplement the disparity between the label and actual product can be staggering, so I usually suggest people grow and process their own or get it from a trusted, non-commercial source and re-titrate dosing with every new bottle/batch as strength can vary significantly. once it is classified as a medication that will no longer be needed and we will be able to use the specific cannabinoid(s) that are proven beneficial for a specific disorder and species. Cross your fingers, but don't hold your breath.

Take care and Happy Holidays!

Lisa & the Rusty Pugs


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24 December 2020 - 11:53 pm
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I have a video of Zoey, linked from my Facebook page, hopefully it works.

https://www.fac.....4213647667

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25 December 2020 - 1:46 pm
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Wow she does look young! And yep, she's an honorary Tripawd. Glad you are managing her pain with something that works for her.

Tripawds Founders Jim and Rene
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Our 8 yr old (rescue) pug boy is facing a front limb amputation (soft tissue sarcoma) this week ~ we think. They tried to remove it two weeks ago but his blood pressure was too low and they couldn’t get it back up with normally successful procedures. He has been seen by a cardiologist today (echocardiogram good, cleared for surgery), sees a radiologist tomorrow for sonogram (to see if pressure on vein/artery) and if cleared, surgery is scheduled for Wednesday with a veterinary anesthesiologist in attendance.

Like Zoey, he hasn’t been using the limb, so hopefully he will adapt quickly. 

I too am interested if neurologist has an alternative if his surgery doesn’t go forward.

❤️ to you and Zoey!

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29 December 2020 - 11:39 am
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Sarah Clark said
Our 8 yr old (rescue) pug boy is facing a front limb amputation (soft tissue sarcoma) this week ~ we think.

Sarah I'm so glad you came here to post! Please consider registering as a member so your future posts won't require approval. Keep us posted on how your boy is doing OK? Paws crossed for good news!

Tripawds Founders Jim and Rene
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