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anyone else have/had a hemangiosarcoma diagnosis?
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Taos, NM
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9 August 2010 - 7:38 pm
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Tshuvah has reached the two month mark post-amputation/diagnosis.  It was June 10th that we learned she had cancer and a bone tumor, although we all thought it was osteosarcoma, and went ahead with the amputation.  It was two weeks later, after a very slow path report, that we learned the awful truth.  On June 24th we learned it is actually hemangiosarcoma, with a 1-2 month life expectancy post-diagnosis (which our oncologist considers to be the earlier date, June 10th).

I'm wondering if anyone else here has or had a dog with this diagnosis.  I know its very rare for hemangio to present with a primary bone tumor, as it did with Tshuvah.  I'd just like to be in touch with others who have known that the loss of their beloved dog was imminent and that there will likely not be any warning that she's in her last day or hour.  The daily waiting and wondering is very stressful and I wonder how others have coped.

Beth

Beth with my beloved Tshuvah, 10 year old "TaosDog". Provisional diagnosis osteosarcoma on 6/10/10, amputation of left foreleg same day, firm diagnosis of hemangiosarcoma 6/24/10. Set free on 9/9/10.  Treasured forever.

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9 August 2010 - 9:01 pm
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Beth, when I search the forums for hemangiosarcoma there isn't much, unfortunately, but of the dogs who did have it, you should PM Luna's Mom, Sandra. She is very generous in offering advice and sharing her and Luna's experience and I know she would be a huge comfort as you walk this path. Please tell her we sent you OK?

Tshuvah is a miracle girl, and her story is one that will inspire others who are faced with the diagnosis. We pray that she continues to beat the odds.

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9 August 2010 - 9:21 pm
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I think Toto had hemangiosarcoma and had 10 months.   Spirt Jake and I have experienced the hemangiosarcoma of the vital organs.

 

I can only imagine how horrible it would be wondering.

Many hugs Beth!

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10 August 2010 - 7:44 am
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Beth,

Whether the doctors say they have a few days, weeks or many many months you never know with osteo or hemangiosarcoma.

Toto showed up last year with the Drs giving him a few weeks to live. Boy did he ever prove them wrong! He had a great time. You should definitely check out his blog.

I have heard about others with hemangiosarcoma, or suspected hemangio., on this site since Toto showed up. But I can't recall who they were or if they were confirmed. At one point, part of Raven's problems were attributed to hemangio. but I don't know if that was confirmed. He again exceeded expectations.

In fact, you are already exceeding expectations, aren't you? How is Tshuvah doing now?

From the dogs who have shown up on this site, most that do reach the end show signs as they start to get there. Try to let Tshuvah's own ignorance about her condition, and enjoyment of the present, help you enjoy the time you have together to the max

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10 August 2010 - 10:53 am
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Thanks all.  I found Toto's, thank you for the suggestion, which inspired me to start Tshuvah's.  Now I'm looking for a member jackiandmac?  I tried a search but it came up empty.  I guess this member's dog also had hemangio.  I will also PM Luna's mom, thank you for that also.  OK, off to take Tshuvah to the park.  Blessings to all,  Beth

Beth with my beloved Tshuvah, 10 year old "TaosDog". Provisional diagnosis osteosarcoma on 6/10/10, amputation of left foreleg same day, firm diagnosis of hemangiosarcoma 6/24/10. Set free on 9/9/10.  Treasured forever.

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10 August 2010 - 11:06 am
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labradorim said:

Now I'm looking for a member jackiandmac?  I tried a search but it came up empty.

Hmmm... how did you search?

Did you use the members search button above to find all posts by jackiandmac or try sending her a PM?

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labradorim said:

I'm wondering if anyone else here has or had a dog with this diagnosis.

 

Our dog prior to Harley, Piper (German Shepherd), died of this, but his was in the spleen, which of course is much more common, and we were, like many, unaware of him having it.  I probably can't add much more to what you already know, but for us, Piper was his happy dog self up until the morning of his death.  One morning Piper did not want to get up, Michael carried him to the Jeep, and off to the Vet we went.  Piper did have a bowel movement in the car of mostly blood, and he died at the Vet a short time later.  So, while we didn't have to worry about it happening like you do, when it did happen for us, it was very quick.

Harley toward the end of his life (last couple of months or so) had basically no platelets, so we lived with the knowledge that at any moment he could start to bleed out and die.  It was beyond heart-wrenching to know he could just die at any moment, with no forewarning.  It did make us even more aware of the time we did have with him was all that more important and to cherish every little second, every thing he did, whether he was being his big sweet self or getting into trouble.

It sounds like Tshuvah is having a wonderful summer!  I will make sure to keep you guys in my thoughts and prayers … I hope your sister is doing well, also.

Amputation on 11/10/09, due to Histiocytic Sarcoma in left elbow. Angel Harley earned his wings on 06/24/10.

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10 August 2010 - 8:00 pm
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admin, thanks for that search link.  I think I just didn't do it right.  This is my first time on this kind of forum (I'm an old hand at yahoo groups but not this) and am being tech-stupid.  I appreciate all your help today, with this and the blog.

Beth

Beth with my beloved Tshuvah, 10 year old "TaosDog". Provisional diagnosis osteosarcoma on 6/10/10, amputation of left foreleg same day, firm diagnosis of hemangiosarcoma 6/24/10. Set free on 9/9/10.  Treasured forever.

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Admin says "no problem!"

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11 August 2010 - 10:28 am
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Does Tshuvah have organ mets?  Fluid around the heart?  Bloodwork recently?  When Raven crashed two months after his amputation from bleeding out and ended up in the ER, they suspected hemangiosarcoma.  The liver was riddled with tumors that had never shown on any of the preop xrays, they undoubtedly were there before amputation. He overcame that, always looked distended/bloated due to the tumors, but lived another 2 months.  His passing was due to a piece of the liver necrosis getting lodged in an artery that caused partial paralysis in the rear end.  I googled it and it's not that uncommon.  It was completely painless, but he couldn't walk, he still wanted to eat and wag and get up to greet the vet when he arrived, I really couldn't have asked for a better end, even as painful as it was to let him go.  Turns out after he died, the necropsy of the liver biopsied as osteosarcoma mets in the liver.

Also, my bully Betty has her spleen removed two weeks before we found out about Raven's cancer last October.  We suspected hemangio, but didn't bother biopsying the tumors because of her age and since we removed it, the knowledge really wouldn't change any course of treatment.  She's still with me!  🙂

Dawn

 Rottie Raven, osteosarcoma at 8-1/2 years old, amputation in October '09 and in February '10 due to liver mets he went back to heaven where he came from.  raven.tripawds.com

Now I have Miles, rottie mix amputee from a shelter and traveled 1500 miles to find his way here through the Rescue Railroad thanks to tripawds.com.  miles.tripawds.com

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11 August 2010 - 3:48 pm
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Why do you say that there likely will be no warning? Did the vet say something like that? Certainly Toto and Mac gave quite a bit of warning (as much as any of our osteosarcoma pups). The dogs that have given the least warning are probably the ones with spinal mets, because they are fine one day and then in pain the next.

The great thing about this webgroup is that we quickly learn to focus on the great things our pups are doing now, rather than see another face of someone who only sees 'disease and death sentence' when they meet our 3-legged dogs. For me, the last four months were terrific, even though we were facing vet issues on a regular basis since Tazzie's mets showed up pretty early post-amp. He still had good quality of life until the end. That is one thing that is a relief to most of us. Our dogs are happy until the time comes when we rather quickly know they are now in pain or lost the zest to live. Without this group, I might have viewed it as a miserable time.

I guess the moral of the story is, talk or vent as much as you need to the group members, who totally understand. Then leave it behind and take Tshuvah to the park or someplace fun where she can brighten up your spirits because is focused on having a good time in the present as much as she ever was.

JackiandMac's situation was very very very different than yours. Mac was elderly and had a variety of blood tests that bid poorly before his amp. He never really got his moxie back after the surgery. What a sweet boy. And we do miss hearing from Jackie.

As for someone who has an amazing attitude even since her dog has developed mets in the liver, check out Laura and Cap'n Jack's 14 month ampuversary post. This is from a person who coined the phrase "anticipatory grief", which sounds like what you are suffering, in their early days (at least I think she was the one who first used those words - or maybe it was from the Boomer book).

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dsimas said:

Does Tshuvah have organ mets?  Fluid around the heart?  Bloodwork recently?

 

Hi Dawn!  On June 24th Tshuvah had a very extensive ultrasound to look for any internal mets and the reading was clear.  We have not done any testing since, other than the try aspirating the sub-Q lump and one of the blood blisters.  We had decided not to do any more testing, like you did with Betty (who is totally amazing, btw!).  I'm just assuming that there are internal mets given the diagnosis and the fact that we're seeing dermal and sub-Q lumps like this.

 

Go Betty go!  Beth

Beth with my beloved Tshuvah, 10 year old "TaosDog". Provisional diagnosis osteosarcoma on 6/10/10, amputation of left foreleg same day, firm diagnosis of hemangiosarcoma 6/24/10. Set free on 9/9/10.  Treasured forever.

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12 August 2010 - 8:26 am
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Tazzie said:

Why do you say that there likely will be no warning? Did the vet say something like that? 

I've consulted with 4 vets since Tshuvah's diagnosis and all of them said that with hemangiosarcoma, the end tends to come swiftly and without warning.  I guess they were suggesting that she would rapidly grow an internal blood-filled tumor and one day it would just burst and she would bleed out internally, collapse and die.  But I know each dog is different.  And a swift end is certainly what I hope for Tshuvah, so that she is released quickly and easily.  If her body doesn't naturally release her spirit in a quick merciful way, then I plan to do it for her as soon as I can tell her time has come.

Beth

Beth with my beloved Tshuvah, 10 year old "TaosDog". Provisional diagnosis osteosarcoma on 6/10/10, amputation of left foreleg same day, firm diagnosis of hemangiosarcoma 6/24/10. Set free on 9/9/10.  Treasured forever.

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Hopalong Harley said:

I will make sure to keep you guys in my thoughts and prayers … I hope your sister is doing well, also.

Thanks for sharing your experience.  I pray Tshuvah has a similar quick passage, like Harley did.  Bless his heart.  And thank you for asking about my sister.  She has done 3 of the first 4 chemo's and is now taking a break in order to focus on having the baby.  She's 36 weeks now and the baby's growth has slowed, they think the placenta is pooping out from the chemo drugs, and she will probably deliver in the next 10 days.  The baby looked great on ultrasound yesterday, and my sister has shown incredible spirit and endurance.  After baby comes, she has another whole set of chemo rounds to do, a different drug combo this time, and then breast reconstruction, and then radiation.  So, as we do with our dogs, she takes each moment as it comes.   I'm so grateful to be here with her, although I have to go home in 2 weeks which will be very hard, very hard!

Beth

Beth with my beloved Tshuvah, 10 year old "TaosDog". Provisional diagnosis osteosarcoma on 6/10/10, amputation of left foreleg same day, firm diagnosis of hemangiosarcoma 6/24/10. Set free on 9/9/10.  Treasured forever.

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Beth,

I did have warning signs in the last 2 months of Rugby but they were so subtle I never picked up on them until later when I read abou it.  Rugby started throwing up – he maybe threw up 4 times in those last two months.  I thought it was something about eating carrots so I stopped giving carrots.

Next, was sheer exhaustion after going to the park.  It was July in Vegas so I thought he couldn't handle the heat at 8 years old with a black coat.

The day he died, he was perfectly fine and was happy and silly that morning.  And he was active.  We have a routine in which I got on the treadmill and tossed cheerios to Comet and him.  After I was done I always gave them a small treat.  I handed it to him without looking and he didn't take it.  I tried and he reluctantly took it.  I thought his tummy was upset!  So, I gave him a pepic.  Within a minute or two, he looked his back legs were giving out.  So, I walked around the house to see if he'd follow and he slowly did. But it was getting worse.

I felt him and no visible signs of pain.  But then he tried to go behind the dinette table which he has never done.  I stopped him and made him lay on the floor.  I decided to get dressed and if he didn't follow me up the stairs, we would go to the vets.  He didn't.  (which was rare, he was always by my side)

He basically went almost comatose.  He could still hear me because I got him in the car but he was uncomfortable to sit.  We got to the vet and his stomach got big. His gums were grey.  He threw up while waiting and I was relieved!   I thought he'd feel better.  So, that's why I left him for them to run tests. 

He died about 1130am and he collapsed initally at about 915 am.  If it does go on the heart, the tumor will burst and will fill up the heart sac so it can't beat.

I hope that helps.

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She was born with a deformed front leg and a tripawd all of her life.

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