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New bone cancer diagnosis. Amputation a possibility
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White rock, BC
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14 April 2013 - 8:16 pm
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Thank you all for sharing your stories and your kindness. I have been thinking about this since I received the news yesterday and I really think that amputation is the way to go. Congo, even in pain, is running around and jumping and soon do things. Most people in my network here at home think I'm being selfish, I'm doing the amputation for my own benefit and that I'm being mean to him for not putting him down instead. They are partly right, I am not ready to say goodby and I'm sure if he could talk he would say the same. I am worried about his adapting to only one leg but you have all showed me that for most dogs the adapting is easy.
We will go tomorrow for our X-ray of the lungs, I guess we will have a plan then.

Thank you for sharing your stories, it warms my heart and makes me feel that I'm not as crazy as people think I am for wanting to help my dog

Virginia



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14 April 2013 - 9:52 pm
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Just saw your post for Congo and want you to know you are not alone! If this had to happen, there is o safer, more supportive place to be than here.

Congo has a great advocate making decisions o his behalf and every decision you make will be from a place of love and devotion. That is always a right decision.

For whatever it's worth, my decision to amputate for Happy Hannah (123 lb. overweight Bull Mastiff 8 yrs. 6 mos. at time of amp....kind of "senior" for her breed). was NOT an easy one, nor a quick one for me! In fact, I felt like I was stuck in a nightmare, suffocating with fear, crying everyday and night. For almost thirty days after getting the official diagnosis, I researched obsessively, found this site as an observer vbut didn't have enough sense to register, got The Dog Cancer Book by Dr. Dressler and Dr.. Ettinger. The site and the book became my strength, my courage and my source of invaluable information.

I would make the decision to amputate......then make the decision not to........then yes, then no, etc. Set up surgery appt., cancelled appointment. Learned very quickly not to discuss the amputation with anyone as "they" all said they would not put their dog through it with no guarantees...a couple of months.......six, seven months..... a hear....two years.....no one knows!

During this time the limp was getting worse and I was having to increase her pain meds......still happy, great attitude, vibrant but being her valiant, stoic self and masking the pain pretty week..

I told myself SHE WAS NOT READY TO GO. SHE HAS MORE LIFE IN HER! SHE WANTS TO LIVE! It was time for a decision.

Happy Hannah is now is now almost eight weeks after surgery and has had two chemo treatments (which was another grueling decision I had to make.........but you can put that o. The back burner for now). AND SHE IS DOING GLEEFULLY WELL! ABSOLUTELY OYFUL AND HAPPY and bouncing around on three legs like a baby hippo!

For Happy Hannah, it was a rough recover period initially and there were ma y days and rights I thought I had made the wrong decision and that was almost unbearable.
But boy, when recovery finally started kicking in and the sparkle in her eyes came back, the tail started waggin non stop and the pure happiness of being alive came back EVEN BETTER THAN BEFORE, I knew it was the right decision..

No one can tell you how much time.....there are cases that did not go well and cases that exceeded expectations. You have to know that yo are doing what you believe is best for Congo and what he would want. If the vet/surgeon have done all the tests and believe he is a good candidate then that is certainly a plus.

I think almost everyone here will tell you that adjusting to wall,king on three legs really quickly ALMOST always happens!!!!That was a huge fear of mine and I was ecstatic at how well she founded out of the vets.

I could not have made it without the support of everyone here and still consider this site my lifeline and have no I the tion of letting go.

WE ARE ALL HERE FOR YOU AND WE WILL HELP YO TROUGH THIS. WE JNDERSTAND THE DEPTH OF LOVE YOJ HAVE FOR CONGO AND WE WILL NOT LET YOU DOWN..OUR STRENGTH IS YOUR STRENGTH!

Whatever happens, I have been given precious time with my Happy Hannahnot to say goodbye, but to say hello to a life of eternal love that will surround her every second of everyday .

I wish you the. very. best of treasured time with your Congo and look forward to helping you in whatever direction this journey takes you.

Boatloads of serenity floating your way, Sally and happy Hannah

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

White rock, BC
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15 April 2013 - 12:26 pm
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Well last night while laying with Congo I found that he has a lump on his chest. Why it is I don't know and won't know until the vet looks at him later today. He is there now awaiting his X-rays. I am feeling so alone in this decision as I mentioned before my husband is not a supporter. These last few days I wonder how I married someone so opposite of me. It really breaks my heart to feel so alone in this battle. I will keep you posted

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15 April 2013 - 1:08 pm
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Try not to stress before you talk with your vet... Lumps and bumps are common in older dogs--and are often benign. Let him diagnose your pup, not dr. Google. ;) I know righty now it seems like everything is falling apart, but the best thing you can do is take it one moment, one crisis at a time. Deal with what IS, as opposed to what MIGHT be.

Easier said than done, for sure, but your dog is reading your stress and worry--and he doesn't understand the idea of "cancer" or of odds or prognosis or anything. He's just busy being a dog. Help him Be More Dog <3

As for the spouse...we have two dogs and four cats. I had my oldest dog and cat before my husband. He likes animals...but having a zOo is MY deal, not his. So he IS supportive, to a degree, since he'd never live with all these animals (or any dogs at all, for that matter), save for me...but there is a line he considers "above and beyond", for sure. And while he was n board with the amp, he is really of the opinion that much else is way over that line for a thirteen-year-old, large breed dog. And so, I have been doing the pt and the pills and the food options and all that on my own. So, I get your stress...it's hard not having a partner totally in line with your ideals. But, I also understand his point, and where he is coming from, even if I don't agree. We all have a line in the sand, and I respect his and understand that we'll compromise to a point, but beyond that I am on my own. Hugs to you, and feel free to vent/ask for support and advice here.

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15 April 2013 - 2:07 pm
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You're never alone here! Please keep us posted. Best wishes for the lump just being a fatty Lipoma.

Tripawds Founders Jim and Rene
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15 April 2013 - 2:14 pm
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First, as stated already, don't freak about the lump on his chest until you get a diagnosis.  Kermit has a huge (like half of a tangerine-sized) lipoma (fatty tumor) on his chest opposite the side of his amputation, as well as a whole bunch of 'em elsewhere & they're almost always quite harmless & common in older dogs. And when they get one, they tend to sprout a whole bunch of them shortly thereafter. 

Kermit just turned 11 last week, 6 weeks to the day after his amputation, and I was initially told that he WASN'T a good candidate for amputation because he has pretty substantial arthritis in the GOOD front leg AND some issues in both hind ones!  He's doing GREAT!  When I took him back for his chemo last week they were thrilled with his condition & said he was better than they expected. :)

AND, when we got his osteosarcoma diagnosis, we were already giving him chemo for lymphoma. ugh

I know I can't keep him around forever, but like your dog, he was still pretty normal even with the pain of osteo...which, despite a dog's ability to hide it, is HORRIBLE.  So after a failed course of radiation therapy, we decided to go for the amp and I'm sorry we even waited the 2 extra weeks it took for the radiation, because he's almost back to his old normal self!

The people around you view amputation from a human perspective, not a dog's.  As Jerry says on this site, "Dogs are born with three legs and a spare!"  All they care about is 1) the pain is gone, and 2) they can run, pee,poop, & eat. DON'T let them convince you that this is a selfish choice.  If you opt to not do the surgery, that's your decision, just don't let it be based on people telling you that.

The first week after surgery is tough, but after that the improvement is usually steady and surprisingly fast.

Good luck & keep us posted when you hear from the vet.

Virginia



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15 April 2013 - 3:22 pm
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Oh gosh DITTO MMROCKER, DITTO JERRY, DITTO DHARMA!,!!!!!!

Everything they said is true solid advice AND YOU ARE SURROUNDED BY THE MOST UNDERSTANDING SOULS IN THE WORLD!!! Until someone can say 'been there.....done that" like this group of people........well, I'll just leave it at that.

I trully was "alone" with this whole process...decision...recovery....care giving...financial stress.........(just my dog family and myself). UNTIL I FOUND MY NEW BEST FRIENDS......MY NEW EXTENDED FAMILY.....THE BEST SUPPORT SYSTEM ON THE PLANET WITH MORE KNOWLEGE IN ONE PAW THAN ANYONE ELSE OUT THERE !!!

You have us:-) :-) :-) We are here for the purpose of supporting you and Congo in anyway possible! In fairness to your hubby, he's coming from a place of loving intention and believes not going further in treatment is best for Congo and you!! And no one really knows the outcome of any decision you make. It's so normal to be scared and co fused.

Just continue doing your research, stay tuned into Congo and listen to your gut and your heart! There are NO wrong decisions when coming from a place of love. You, and your husband, are both coming from a place of love.

You are one tough, strong woman and you will be empowered by this site! Stay connected----don't let your fears overtake you. If stress starts, you get on this site right away and we'll stomp that fear to pieces and kick it off to Mars!!

Please keep us posted and, most importantly, use us to help you stay centered and positive for Congo. Look at that face of his...all is well in his world....now smile:-) :-)

Sally and Happy Hannah

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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15 April 2013 - 5:48 pm
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Please keep us posted - I am thinking of you and your Congo!!  Please feel free to come to the chat room tonight, theres always at least one of us in there!!! you are not alone here!

 

Erica

Jill is a 9-year-old tuxedo kitty. She was diagnosed with Osteosarcoma in June 2012 on her toe in her right hind leg. Her leg was amputated on 12/12/12 and she completed four rounds of chemo (2 of Carbo, 2 of Doxy) in April 2013. "Like" Jill's facebook page: https://www.fac.....tty?ref=hl Proud member of the WINTER WARRIORS!!!! Her blog can be read at http://jillsjou.....ipawds.com. xoxo

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15 April 2013 - 6:25 pm
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Oh, yes, the Other Half.  My husband is very supportive, but it's also clear he sees dollar signs WAY more than I do.  I don't blame him; Jackson is a momma's boy and is terribly (hell, WONDERFULLY) bonded to me.  But my husband realized that if I wasn't happy or comfortable with every decision, that could likely come back and sting our marriage.  I would like to say I wouldn't resent him, but who knows?!  So we've largely done what we can for Jackson....for me.  I had to be comfortable with each treatment, each drug, each appointment, because down the line neither of us wanted Me to be wondering What If.  Oh, and since you're new, I also want to stress, that if Jackson didn't want anything to do with these appointments or drugs, he holds the trump card!

I know shortly after J's amputation, I felt a lump on his chest.  I cannot find it now.  It literally disappeared within 24hrs.  So was it really there?  Who knows!  This whole cancer thing does weird things.  All I know is, from what we've gone through so far, is to try to take it 1 day, 1 appointment, 1 symptom at a time.  Even though we've had smooth waters so far, we've witnessed a lot on this site.  It can be incredibly hard to remain positive and not dwell.  The good news is, that lump you found, isn't open, bleeding, or causing immediate pain or problems.  Just let it be.  Forget about it.  At your next appt, bring it up.  But until then, belly rubs for Congo!  Lean on your pup's zest for life, energy, love, and passion take away your concerns.  Be in the moment with him.  Relish in his outlook on life.  Be More Dog .  Then, when you're with your vet, freak the &^$* out!  They (and us!) are prepared to help meet your fears and concerns.  We do want you bring your fears and concerns here (ie, the lump).  We will listen.  We will be nervous with you.  We will wonder, too.  But we will hopefully always remind you that after a short time of freaking out to us online (or to your vet in the office), recollect yourself and focus on your pup and his PAWESOME life!

Keep us posted.

~ Katy & Jackson

ACL tear in right hind leg 12/5/12 and scheduled ACL repair surgery 12/21/12. Pre-op xrays revealed osteosarcoma. Amputation 12/28/12.  Chemo (carboplatin) started Jan 10, 2013 and ended on April 5, for a total of 5 doses. He handled carbo like a champ!  No side effects.  We started metronomic therapy at his third chemo and have been also doing some holistic treatments.  He's a lively, playful 10 year old huskie-boarder collie and a very proud member of the Winter Warriors!  Our love. Our funny little guy!

White rock, BC
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15 April 2013 - 8:34 pm
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Wow thank you all for your words and support. It warms my heart to know that there are good and understanding people left in this world. It's funny, people around me don't understand the feelings that I am experiencing at all. I don't blame them as they have never had to go through this bit in general people are thinking I'm crazy for wanting to spend the money on possibly amputating." What if he only lives for two months after", is the most common question I hear. It's a question I ask myself throughout the day. What if... I ask myself that repeatedly throughout the day wondering if I gave him enough love to make his life great. After my kids came he missed out on a lot. Finally now that the kids are a bit older we are enjoying our walks again everyday. We took about a two year hiatus.

We went to the vet today and learned four things:

1) no visible sins of lung mets, in fact his lungs look great
2) the lump is a fat deposit (whew)
3) he has minor minor arthritis on two of his ribs
4) his matrix is still visible so he is not at any major risk for fracture yet

So where do I go from here, Thursday we see an oncologist and will make a plan. She will let me know what she thinks about his situation. She is the expert. The vet said he had only seen two other osteosarcoma cases so he didn't give me much info except high fat high protein diet. He said not to switch him completely to a new diet but do it gradually. He recommended n/d. I will scope out the nutrition section some more on this site tonight. So tonight I'm going to take your advice and Be More Dog . Relax and enjoy today

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15 April 2013 - 8:59 pm
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YAY for no mets! That is terrific  news.

OK, so you are on a really good path right now as far as getting the info you need to make an informed, comfortable decision. Kudos to you! I'm glad your vet was honest and referred you to a specialist. That's the sign of a good vet!

As far as what other people think: oooooh yeah, I'd say pretty much all of us here have encountered negativity. Here are some great posts to help you cope, and funny comebacks to get people to think. Ignore the negativity; we're here to help you no matter what you decide, so keep in touch and let us know how we can help OK?

 

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15 April 2013 - 9:50 pm
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Thank you Jerry for the link. Some of the comments had me laughing out loud! I will provide an update on Thursday!

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Awesome news! To many it may not seem like much to hold on to, but here we take the good news whenever we can. It really is the small things in life that make a difference. Just know we are all here to give whatever support and encouragement you need.

Spirit Shooter was a Miniature Australian Shepherd who was diagnosed with a MCT and had a LF amp 1/28/13 at 13-1/2 years old. 

Shooter crossed the Bridge on 8/28/13, his 7 month ampuversary and two weeks from his 14th birthday.

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Fatty lump!  Wahoo!  I know, it's crazy how your baseline for celebration changes when you get the Cancer diagnosis.  It's crazy.  But we're crazy about these things here and will celebrate with you!  Your update sounds perfect.  It sounds like you're in good hands and that Congo (love his name) is going to get some good care.  Belly rubs for Congo!

~ Katy

ACL tear in right hind leg 12/5/12 and scheduled ACL repair surgery 12/21/12. Pre-op xrays revealed osteosarcoma. Amputation 12/28/12.  Chemo (carboplatin) started Jan 10, 2013 and ended on April 5, for a total of 5 doses. He handled carbo like a champ!  No side effects.  We started metronomic therapy at his third chemo and have been also doing some holistic treatments.  He's a lively, playful 10 year old huskie-boarder collie and a very proud member of the Winter Warriors!  Our love. Our funny little guy!

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Hi Tanya,

I'm sorry I didn't welcome you right away, but I've read all the posts and understand your concerns. One thing you may want to explain to the nay-sayers (including your husband) is that you want to give Congo the same chance to squeeze as much joy out of life as you would give to them (the nay-sayers). So if your husband starts telling you he doesn't understand why you want to do this, you can look at him lovingly, put your arms around him and say "Sweetheart, if you were in Congo's place, I wouldn't euthanize you. I promise." Let that cook for awhile. smiley

It is the truth, though. Every person here who opted for amputation did so because they chose to give their dog or cat a chance at getting the most out of life that they could get. We all believed that our companions were not done living and had been dealt the short straw. If Congo were old and arthritic and needed constant help going potty and had to be medicated to deal with the pain of just living, that would be different. But a dog that finds fun in his day and a human who enjoys doing things with the family deserve equal shots at living. But that's just what the crazy animal people here believe. 

My dog had cancer but not OSA, so there was no agonizing over here. He got an amputation for his 9th birthday. He was a party pooper dog, kind of a sourpuss to an outside observer but fully engaged and sweet and affectionate with his people at home. If I'd let an outsider give an opinion on amputation for Dakota, they probably would have judged simply on his apparent fearfulness, lack of affectionate engagement with strangers and total disregard for play and said "put him down." But Dakota was a member of our family and was a different dog altogether inside our private home. We gave him a chance and the relationship between us changed dramatically.

If you do this, you may be unprepared for the new connection you will build with Congo. Others can attest to this, but it will cement a new kind of bond that will take your breath away. Hopefully that will be the case between Congo and your husband, too. (Try to involve your husband in Congo's aftercare; I think that helps. Congo will show his gratitude and may win a believer.)

Keep us posted on what you decide. Nobody judges here. Whatever you do will get you support here, unless you choose to do nothing and force him to live with that pain. We're not so understanding of that, but you aren't planning that. If you amputate, come back for helpful advice on what to expect right after and how to prepare your home and your emotions. Come to chat. The evenings are usually full and it's fun and a little nuts, full of nice people. Crazy, but nice.

Shari

From abandoned puppy to Tripawd Warrior Dude, Dakota became one of the 2011 February Furballs due to STS. Our incredibly sweet friend lived with grace and dignity till he impulsively raced over the Bridge on 12-15-12.

Dakota's thoughtful and erudite blog is at http://shari.tr.....pawds.com/

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