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Hi, yep, pattern noticed. I realize that is very real and very true. We don't need dependent dogs (or children or spouses...)! However, my personal view is: "geez, we just chopped Jackson's leg off! Can we help this pup out?! Certainly, there are things we'll do now for him now, to ease the pain, confusion, frustration, that simply with time....will go away." In a way, you're already doing this by keeping Beamer off the stairs. It's temporary. It's not like in a week's time she's going to start (and continue forever) seeking permission to climb the stairs. You know your pup best and how she'll respond to "coddling" in the long term. As for me, I don't mind rubbing Jackson's stump when bumped. We're a team and I took his leg - I feel, it's the least I can do. Oh, and scratch all along his right side!
~ Katy
ACL tear in right hind leg 12/5/12 and scheduled ACL repair surgery 12/21/12. Pre-op xrays revealed osteosarcoma. Amputation 12/28/12. Chemo (carboplatin) started Jan 10, 2013 and ended on April 5, for a total of 5 doses. He handled carbo like a champ! No side effects. We started metronomic therapy at his third chemo and have been also doing some holistic treatments. He's a lively, playful 10 year old huskie-boarder collie and a very proud member of the Winter Warriors! Our love. Our funny little guy!
Quick because computer crashing....Happy Hannah experienced very much same reaction more so at night....real pain, real restlessness, real discomfort. Gabapentin seemed to give more time between episodes. Hers would last hours at a time though. Beamer's hospital meds are also wearing off so keep him on pain meds as vet suggest. Lots of support to you. Sally and Happy hannah
Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!
Suki wouldn't scream or whine, but she definitely had some phantom pain . She would suddenly bolt up and run out of the room as though someone shocked her, then stand at the door panting and looking scared.
Gabapentin was what we used and all of that bolting stopped almost immediatly.
I'm of the group that feels that dogs don't "manipulate" to get attention. If she's screaming, something is wrong (in my opinion).
jonheese said
jonheese said
Each time, the same story-- whining, uncomfortable, I comforted, she quieted down...Notice a pattern?
It is our experience that many dogs play the sympathy card very well. Some will literally whine just for the attention and comfort. Dr. Kramer from CARE suggests we focus on healing the body and if we want life to be normal again, we must act as though life is normal. She recommends "tough love" for a speedy recovery, by not rewarding needy behavior.
Of course, we are not vets, so please consult yours with any concerns about pain. Thank you for the detailed updates! Please keep 'em coming.
Okay, this is NOT what I posted... >:( Let's try this again...
I do see your point about a pattern, but she did not calm down immediately when I comforted her. She slowly (over the course of 8-10 seconds) screamed less and less until it as just a whine, and then she was quiet.
Last night, when I was putting my hand on her incision, I could feel her heart beating quite hard and quite fast, and her breathing was also quite brisk, as you would imagine.
Beamer is not a very vocal dog normally. She's never cried out like this before in the 10 years I've had her, and I don't think she was just playing the sympathy card with me-- She was very alarmed and very upset, I can guarantee you that.
She never made a peep about her osteosarcoma, even though I could tell from her limp and her demeanor that it was probably quite painful. If this is pain, and if it's *more* painful than the bone tumor we amputated, we *must* fix this, for obvious reasons.
(My original reply here was much longer, but I assume that the quote magic in Wordpress ate it... )
benny55 said
Quick because computer crashing....Happy Hannah experienced very much same reaction more so at night....real pain, real restlessness, real discomfort. Gabapentin seemed to give more time between episodes. Hers would last hours at a time though. Beamer's hospital meds are also wearing off so keep him on pain meds as vet suggest. Lots of support to you. Sally and Happy hannah
Okay, just a gentle reminder first: Beamer is female.
Second, we are already on Gabapentin (along with Tramadol, Rimadyl, Prozac for previous anxiety issues, and Cephalexin for discoid lupus erythematosus), but maybe a little more will help with the night-time problems. I'll talk to Dr. Worley, thanks.
Regards,
Jon Heese
jonheese said
...when I was putting my hand on her incision, I could feel her heart beating quite hard and quite fast
Beamer may also benefit from a hot/cold compress. Heat will help increase circulation to speed healing and ice will reduce swelling to ease pain.
This recovery pain will subside, whereas the tumor pain would have only gotten worse. Take things one day at a time and before you know it she'll be surprising you. Please keep us posted.
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Yeah, the CSU ACC included cold/warm compress on the discharge instructions, and we did cold for two days after surgery, and warm every evening/night since then. Dr. Worley recommended a warm compress before bed, and that's exactly what we had been doing, and what we did again last night. Thanks for the advice, but I'm afraid it's the advice we were already following, and it's how we got where we are now.
I have no doubt that these latest issues are temporary-- don't get me wrong, I am still very confident that amputation was the best possible choice-- but there is something a little counter-intuitive about the fact that we did all of this to help her pain, and she still has moments when she seems to be in the worst pain of her life.
Anyway, I do appreciate the advice. Keep it coming, by all means.
Jon I'm so sorry you're both having such a difficult time. I'm not a vet, but my first thought was that in addition to the obvious post-surgery pain she's in, all of the meds she's currently on could be making things extra rough for her. That's more meds than most dogs we see here, so I just wonder if that's why she's so upset. I would definitely call the doc to see how these can be managed for less side-effects.
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Jon- I actually had the same thing happen with polly. For almost 2 full weeks after amp she would wake up in he middle of the night and whine and a few times there was an intense howl....
I slept in the bed with her so that I could comfort her. My Surgeon said its normal the first 2 weeks for them to be whiney and upset- sometimes its a side effect of the tramadol and sometimes they are just being whiney because their leg is missing and they can't always cope right away with that-even if it was causing them pain.
Polly is also a bit high strung (we lovingly call it neurotic). What the surgeon told me to do was exactaly what you are doing. Comfort her and pet her and if possible put your hand over the scar and just tell her in a soothing voice it will be ok. She will learn to comfort herself. Chances are Beamer is just kind of freaked out by it all and doesnt know how to deal with it and cope.
I can promise you, if its already becoming less intense, this will go away. If you worry she is still in pain, maybe an X-ray with your vet is a good idea to make sure there isn't some little bone fragment or something bothing her. But i have a feeling she is just upset and needs to work it out.
Good luck, keep us updated!
Darn browser on tablet keeps cutting off and erasing so going to send several short replies because I'm chomping at the bit to tell you and Beamer GIRL that this is NOT unusual for a large dog and, in my opinion. Her pain is real
Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!
For over two weeks I slept on floor beside her and , like you, thought I had put her through more pain AFTER surgery than before---she is of a crybaby either. I can only assure you. and this is fact of just being positive---she will get better. And she is still fresh out of surgery
Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!
I hope you will find that the right dosage of gaba will give her more good time during the night. I an only say that with Happy Hannah it took awhile and it was soooooooo hard watching her go through this and not knowing how my h time she would have and on Nd on and on,
Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!
Really sorry to have to communicate like this but had to figure out a way to reach out and let you know I completely understand and have been there! I kept thinking surgery was screwed up - you name it-- I thought it----but it was just how Hannah's recovery "looked". Now four weeks out she's finally off meds and sleeping through night but this only happened recently. Completely agree about all comments of adjusting and confusion about three pages.
Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!
I think night time does bring about more uncertainty and fear as they may try and turn or cha be position and all the sudden the leg is not there to help
Okay won't subject you to more posts---just wanted to reach put as quickly as possible to say we are walking beside you and even though you know it will be better it doesn't help she you aren't there yet. Sending all of you as much support and as much calm as possible during Beamer GIRL's recover!
Sally and Happy Hannah
Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!
Wanted to clarify when I was trying t o say ----this is fact - not just being positive.
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Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!
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