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tumeric... who is using it?
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12 August 2018 - 12:02 pm
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‘ve been seeing that tumeric is often mentioned as anti cancer… I use hk bone beef bone broth that has tumeric.. I assume the levels arent all that high..

More on Curcumin and Dog Cancer

In the , I introduced curcumin , a useful tool against cancer found in turmeric.

In this post we will look at some of the effects and practicalities in the use of this remarkable substance.

Safety should always be questioned. Curcumin is exceptionally safe when given by mouth. 

One of the complaints about it is that it is not absorbed significantly when taken by mouth (passes through in the feces). True statement. But…

Curcumin taken by mouth does have effects in the body after all, in spite of low levels being taken up in the blood.  It was shown in  a human clinical trial that large doses (over 3 grams) decreased the levels of a chemical signal with links to cancer development and progression.

This chemical signal is called prostaglandin E2. This signal was measured in the bloodstream.

This means that actually some of the curcumin taken by mouth does indeed have effects on the body.  Check it out for yourself

Curcumin , at least in test tube studies (in vitro), shows a most definite ability to cause cancer cells to end their life cycle.  Another way of saying this is that it is an apoptogen, or something that causes programed, healthy,  end-of-life for cancer cells.

One way that curcumin is able to do this is by injuring the mitochondria, or the energy factories in the cancer cells. about that.

Curcumin is able to shut down the activity of one of the central chemical signals involved in cancer development and progression (NFK Beta).  This molecule is perhaps one of the most important molecules in the whole field of cancer.

On top of that, it has effects to slow the growth of blood vessels feeding tumors,  helping to stop cancer expansion.

For more info on these different ways curcumin helps fight cancer, read on 

In humans, most of the research has focused on intestinal cancers.  The reason is because the stuff, after taken by mouth, goes down into the intestine and contacts the wall of the intestine.

Since these intestinal cancers are less dependant on curcumin getting in the blood to contact the cancer cells, that is where the interest has been.

I believe curcumin has broader application than that. Since we know it has effects outside the intestine, and it is non-toxic,  it should be applied more for dog cancer.

Curcumin does not dissolve well in water.  This is one of the things that limits its absorption.  You can overcome this by mixing it with lecithin and water and making a slurry.  Lecithin is available online. It is very , very gooey, so you add some water to the curcumin -lecithin, about 4 parts water to 1 part lecithin.

You can put some low sodium bullion in it for flavor, or similar agents.

Many of the commercial preparations have bromelain with it, to enhance blood levels.  No problem.

Doses are approximate, and taken from human literature.  For a large dog, use about 2 grams two times a day, as an estimation.

Do not use curcumin with gall stones, stomach ulcers, or within 10 days of surgery.

There is a possibility it should perhaps be avoided with liver problems in some references.  I believe this effect is not likely based on serial blood tests in my hospital with its use, but discuss with your vet, as always.

I’m wondering who is using tumeric?  and how??   side effects?   slurry?  a commercial prep that is mentioned above?  thanks
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I see some on other sites are using golden paste.. anyone using this?  

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I buy the fresh turmeric root and put it in the blender with coconut cream or coconut oil and a pinch of black pepper (it improves absorption) and then put it her broth (and my smoothies) It is supposed to be good for inflammation and even for the intestine…

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I know I am a few days behind but I wanted to add that I make golden paste and used it for my boxer, Hooch, who suffered from an unusual form of lymphoma as well boxer cardiomyopathy, which greatly limited our treatment choices.  He also had such bad hip problems that he hadn’t been able to jump up onto a bed for several months.  But after a few months on the golden paste, he was running and jumping like a pup.  So of course I now give it to Maddie who had her front leg amputated in Oct 2017 due to osteo.  I’m not sure if it actually helps with the spread of cancer (I think it does), but it definitely helps with arthritis and joint issues!  It is an important part of her holistic treatment regimen!

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Word of warning though – golden paste can make some dogs smell bad (like cat urine)!  You can combat this by adding Ceylon Cinnamon after cooking when you add the pepper.  

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Ive got plenty of cinnamon,  i add it to one of my horses supplements to maybe help lower glucose levels.  



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I understand there have been no safety studies for the use of curcumin or tumeric in cats. A few years ago a research study was started on the effectiveness of curcumin for vaccine associated tumours in cats. I contacted the researchers to find the results and they stated they ended the study early because they found the amount of curcumin required for effectiveness would be impossible to administer to a cat.

Cancer in cats is very different than cancer in humans, yet because dog cancer is more comparative to humans and there is more research.

I’m happy to hear people find this helps their dogs. I also use tumeric in my smoothies and food but and now staying away from the root after too much staining. I’m a messy cook!

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Thanks Kerren, this is super helpful to know about!

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I have been using it for both my dogs with cancer.  Both dogs have already exceeded their life expectancies, and are still going strong.  I use capsules.  Also add a little black pepper to their meals to help with absorption.

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Will definitely take note of this for my cousin’s dogs. Thank you for the info!

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I’m late to this discussion but wanted to add that I’ve been giving my dog, Bailey, golden paste (turmeric, coconut oil, pinch of black pepper) for over a year now. She has histiocytic sarcoma for which we are following the conventional medical protocol. Not sure if the golden paste is helping but I figure it can’t hurt!

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Thanks for the feedback! My guess is that it’s doing something to help her beat the odds! Feel free to Private Message me about sharing more details in our Tripawds Nutrition blog . I would love to share more details about Bailey’s nutrition protocol and diet!

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I’ve used it and using it extensively for Chandlers osteosarcoma that appeared this week. 

We use caplets and from my research, I will state we want to target using phytosomes or liposomes, to increase absorption. I currently use 3 different types, and while there is little research into each one of these types, I will rank them in my personal and half researched order:

BCM-95 Curcumin

Longvida Curcumin

Mervida(phytosomes) curcumin

One thing to note is the curcumin with piperine or black pepper actually doesn’t increase absorption as much as the liposomal curcumin explained above. Further, I have read it leads to gastrointestinal upset in dogs. 

I like phytosome type products, as we have used boswellia for his hips and dysplasia (good Cox-1 inhibitor so good for inflammation and little bit for metastasis of OSA). Boswellia phytosomes worked significantly better than higher dosage regular boswellia. Also, a lot of research on curcumin in vitro uses liposomal curcumin to enhance absorption. 

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